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Does anybody else use the ford brake fluid in the blue can?

It's been a few years since I looked hard, but at that time,
the only thing better was some expensive stuff from AP.


Chris

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Mail From: "Tony Chen" <(email redacted)>

I still do.
but they're no longer in the blue bottle. the bottles are now white plastic.
it's 2 oz less than before AND the price went up. bastards.

Tony

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From: <(email redacted)>
To: "miatapower" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: brake fluid - why not ford?


> Does anybody else use the ford brake fluid in the blue can?
>
> It's been a few years since I looked hard, but at that time,
> the only thing better was some expensive stuff from AP.
>
>
> Chris

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Mail From: "Eric Vaillancourt" <(email redacted)>

You mean the ATE Super blue? Good stuff.

Eric
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From: <(email redacted)>
To: "miatapower" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: brake fluid - why not ford?


> Does anybody else use the ford brake fluid in the blue can?
>
> It's been a few years since I looked hard, but at that time,
> the only thing better was some expensive stuff from AP.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>

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I don't think so. This stuff is marked

"HIGH PERFORMANCE DOT 3 MOTOR VEHICLE BRAKE FLUID"
Minimum dry boiling point 550F (288c)

Part number C6AZ-19542-AB TOX No. 002092

It's supposed to be better than anything at the chain stores
like Pep Boys, Checker and Autozone.

I would assume that AP, Wilwood, Lockart and the like would be
better.

However, you can get this stuff at any Ford dealer.

Chris

At 12:15 AM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>You mean the ATE Super blue? Good stuff.
>
>Eric
>----- Original Message -----
>Subject: brake fluid - why not ford?
> > Does anybody else use the ford brake fluid in the blue can?
> >
> > It's been a few years since I looked hard, but at that time,
> > the only thing better was some expensive stuff from AP.
> >
> > Chris

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Mail From: "Eric Vaillancourt" <(email redacted)>

Not too shabby. The DOT 4 fluid I've been using for street applications is
rated at a 446F min. dry boiling point. Maybe I'll try some of the Ford
fluid myself if the price is right at the local dealer.

Eric
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To: "Eric Vaillancourt" <(email redacted)>; "miatapower"
<(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: brake fluid - why not ford?


> I don't think so. This stuff is marked
>
> "HIGH PERFORMANCE DOT 3 MOTOR VEHICLE BRAKE FLUID"
> Minimum dry boiling point 550F (288c)
>
> Part number C6AZ-19542-AB TOX No. 002092
>
> It's supposed to be better than anything at the chain stores
> like Pep Boys, Checker and Autozone.
>
> I would assume that AP, Wilwood, Lockart and the like would be
> better.
>
> However, you can get this stuff at any Ford dealer.
>
> Chris
>
> At 12:15 AM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >You mean the ATE Super blue? Good stuff.
> >
> >Eric
> >----- Original Message -----
> >Subject: brake fluid - why not ford?
> > > Does anybody else use the ford brake fluid in the blue can?
> > >
> > > It's been a few years since I looked hard, but at that time,
> > > the only thing better was some expensive stuff from AP.
> > >
> > > Chris
>
>
>
>

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Mail From: "Fred Hubert" <(email redacted)>

=46rom my research the Ford fluid had the highest dry boiling point, but abso=
rbs
moisture faster than others. This makes it the best for frequent flush
people, perhaps in track cars, etc. For all around use the ATE and Motul
seemed to be the choice. There are good threads on this with numbers of
several brands on Miata.net...

~ Fred

>-- Original Message --
>From: "Eric Vaillancourt" <(email redacted)>
>To: "miatapower" <(email redacted)>, <(email redacted)>,
> <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Re: brake fluid - why not ford?
>Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:05:41 -0700
>
>
>Not too shabby. The DOT 4 fluid I've been using for street applications
>is
>rated at a 446F min. dry boiling point. Maybe I'll try some of the Ford
>fluid myself if the price is right at the local dealer.
>
>Eric
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <(email redacted)>
>To: "Eric Vaillancourt" <(email redacted)>; "miatapower"
><(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
>Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 12:25 PM
>Subject: Re: brake fluid - why not ford?
>
>
>> I don't think so. This stuff is marked
>>
>> "HIGH PERFORMANCE DOT 3 MOTOR VEHICLE BRAKE FLUID"
>> Minimum dry boiling point 550F (288c)
>>
>> Part number C6AZ-19542-AB TOX No. 002092
>>
>> It's supposed to be better than anything at the chain stores
>> like Pep Boys, Checker and Autozone.
>>
>> I would assume that AP, Wilwood, Lockart and the like would be
>> better.
>>
>> However, you can get this stuff at any Ford dealer.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> At 12:15 AM 6/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> >You mean the ATE Super blue? Good stuff.
>> >
>> >Eric
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >Subject: brake fluid - why not ford?
>> > > Does anybody else use the ford brake fluid in the blue can?
>> > >
>> > > It's been a few years since I looked hard, but at that time,
>> > > the only thing better was some expensive stuff from AP.
>> > >
>> > > Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Mail From: Ian McCloghrie <(email redacted)>

On Jun 2, 2002 "Fred Hubert" wrote:
> From my research the Ford fluid had the highest dry boiling point,
> but absorbs moisture faster than others. This makes it the best for
> frequent flush people, perhaps in track cars, etc. For all around
> use the ATE and Motul seemed to be the choice. There are good
> threads on this with numbers of several brands on Miata.net...

My research indicated that the Ford had a slightly lower boiling point
than the Motul, but that it was significantly cheaper (around a third
of the price).

--Ian

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Mail From: "Tom Graham" <(email redacted)>


Subject: Re: brake fluid - why not ford?


=46rom my research the Ford fluid had the highest dry boiling point, but
absorbs
moisture faster than others. This makes it the best for frequent flush
people, perhaps in track cars, etc
~ Fred
------------------------------------------------------
FWIW.
I flush my brake system but I also suck out the reservoir and replace it
with new fluid every time I change the oil. Since moisture in the fluid
dramatically lowers the boiling point of the fluid this may have cheap fl=
uid
performing as well as expensive fluid that is not changed constantly. Doi=
ng
this has my clutch reservoir absolutely clear all the time, something tha=
t
flushing alone didn't do.

Tom

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Mail From: "Bob Hotaling" <(email redacted)>

Hygroscopic? Did I get it right Bill? :)

You describe my personal experience with the product, Tom.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Graham" <(email redacted)>
To: "miatapower" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: brake fluid - why not ford?


>
> Subject: Re: brake fluid - why not ford?
>
>
> From my research the Ford fluid had the highest dry boiling point, but
> absorbs
> moisture faster than others. This makes it the best for frequent flush
> people, perhaps in track cars, etc
> ~ Fred
> ------------------------------------------------------
> FWIW.
> I flush my brake system but I also suck out the reservoir and replace it
> with new fluid every time I change the oil. Since moisture in the fluid
> dramatically lowers the boiling point of the fluid this may have cheap
fluid
> performing as well as expensive fluid that is not changed constantly.
Doing
> this has my clutch reservoir absolutely clear all the time, something that
> flushing alone didn't do.
>
> Tom

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Mail From: "Dan Bettis" <(email redacted)>

Its not just the peak boiling temp you need to worry about its the curve or
how long it take to get to that temp. The Ford fluid from my experinces of
taking temps and what on on road races cars is a great track day, autox, and
street fluid. If you are boiling that somehow, The Motul 600 would be what
Ii would use next and be done with it. The higest temps I have seen from
Motul are 330, at tracks like Daytona and Mid-Ohio. Its 4 races old now in
the car and still has not went above 330, and the last two races we sat the
track recoed at Gateway and Memphis, so we are still using the brakes hard.
Now out of fear that we are going to push it to far its going to be bleed.
The Ford fluid had to be bleed every session, and finally started hitting in
thr 400+ range as Mid-Ohio races. Then we went to AP 600 it run about 370
and needed bleed every race weekend. As for a fuid I would stay away from
is the Valoline Dot 4 synthic, it hit 450 in 10 laps and the car had no
brakes. This was on a SCCA T2 Cobra which can get down the straights well
but does not turn like an Miata and weights 3300lbs, I do not see a Miata
that is working right ever being so hard on brakes. Another thing that I
have noticed is that the brakes last longer from the wear stand point when
the fluid is run cooler. I have taking brake temps on lots of cars and this
ws the worse car I had to deal with. As for autox and street use I have not
gotten my temp strips and paint to even show a temp yet on my Miata. I did
not get temps fomr my last track days. Brake ducting work great also.

Dan Bettis
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