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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the high
prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The gurgling
(pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but as
soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the recent
few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is
more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this
hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost
of what I should be using -- 91 octane.

Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the according
bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two mods
that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?

TIA,

BW

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Mail From: treynolds (Tom Reynolds)

The timing advance adds to the knock issue. Typically if you have knock
of this nature the first step is either to increase octane or to reduce
base timing. Reducing your base to +10 will probably reduce the knock.
Remember, audible knock is the advanced stage of it, a lot of knock is
not audible to the driver.



Tom Reynolds
Network Engineer
Access Computer Technologies
www.actnm.com
Office: 505-341-0202
Fax: 505-346-1773

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
Of Bonni Weatherwax
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 7:01 PM
To: Miata Club Newslist
Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution

Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the
high
prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The
gurgling
(pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but
as
soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the
recent
few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging
is
more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will
this
hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high
cost
of what I should be using -- 91 octane.

Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the according
bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two
mods
that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?

TIA,

BW

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Mail From: romad (Dennis B. Swaney)

At 18:01 -0700 9/4/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
>Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the high
>prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The gurgling
>(pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but as
>soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the recent
>few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is
>more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this
>hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost
>of what I should be using -- 91 octane.
>
>Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the according
>bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two mods
>that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?
>

Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.

BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another of
the same or a silicon duct?
--

Miataly,
Dennis
---
Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
Oroville, California TEAM USAF
Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Team Flyin' Miata
Team California License Plate Blue Team Valentine 1
('90 VIN: 7028)

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Mail From: toshdesai (Tosh Desai)

> Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the high
> prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The gurgling
> (pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but as
> soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the recent few
> days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is more
> noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this hurt
> anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost of what
> I should be using -- 91 octane.

After just getting back home to NJ from LA, I am surprized that there isn't
more howling, if not rioting, over the high price of gas out there. It is at
least $0.60 a gallon more than out here, and up to $1. And here I don't even
need to get out of my car to pump it either. Never mind the number of big
SUV's out there, I don't even want to know what their annual gas costs are.

I would dial back some of the advance. You won't loose much in responsiveness
and power, but save big $$$ on the gas. IMO

-Tosh Desai

'85 Rx-7 GSL, MARRS Spec Rx-7 #52
1995 Miata PEP, Spec Miata #52
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Does the car have forced induction? If you do, why do youhave your timing so high. 12 degree is good. Even 10 degree stock have shown to make good power.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:40 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution

> Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the high
> prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The gurgling
> (pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but as
> soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the recent few
> days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is more
> noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this hurt
> anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost of what
> I should be using -- 91 octane.

After just getting back home to NJ from LA, I am surprized that there isn't
more howling, if not rioting, over the high price of gas out there. It is at
least $0.60 a gallon more than out here, and up to $1. And here I don't even
need to get out of my car to pump it either. Never mind the number of big
SUV's out there, I don't even want to know what their annual gas costs are.

I would dial back some of the advance. You won't loose much in responsiveness
and power, but save big $$$ on the gas. IMO

-Tosh Desai

'85 Rx-7 GSL, MARRS Spec Rx-7 #52
1995 Miata PEP, Spec Miata #52
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Mail From: mhagerla (Michael Hagerla)

Bonnie, what kind of gas do you/did you fill up with? I have had a JR CAI +
14 BTDC timing on my track rat since 1995 and I have only had pre detonation
once. I use 87 octane during cold months, but I am now using 89. I use 91
when I go to the track, but the only time I got pinging was when I got some
bad gas at a generic station in the middle of Nevada in the dead of summer.

You might want to get some diagnostics run on your ecu? Have you smogged it
in the last 6 months? When was the last time you checked timing? I don't
trust mechanics so I always do my own maintenance- it could be that your
timing is set to 16 or 18 BTDC. Also, what kind of plugs & wires do you
have? New plugs are cheap- I change mine at least once a year in the rat...

Good luck with it and let us know what you do!

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
Of Bonni Weatherwax
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:01 PM
To: Miata Club Newslist
Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the high
prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The gurgling
(pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but as
soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the recent
few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is
more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this
hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost
of what I should be using -- 91 octane.

Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the according
bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two mods
that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?

TIA,

BW

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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

No forced induction, though the FM unit asks one to start the timing at zero
and let it adjust it for you. To answer other q's, too -- used to always
run 91 test from either Chevron or Union 76 and no ping. Ran some 89 with
no ping, so thought I'd try the 87. 87 wasn't bad until it got a little
warmer this month. Plugs are the recommended NGKs, as are the wires. Wires
could use replacing, but the pinging seems to jibe more with the change in
gas. Car was smogged only last November and all is well.

Looks like I'm just gonna have to suffer through with the higher prices.

BW

>
> Does the car have forced induction? If you do, why do youhave your timing
so high. 12 degree is good. Even 10 degree stock have shown to make good
power.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: (email redacted)
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:40 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
> > Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the
high
> > prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The
gurgling
> > (pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but
as
> > soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the
recent few
> > days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is
more
> > noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this
hurt
> > anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost
of what
> > I should be using -- 91 octane.
>
> After just getting back home to NJ from LA, I am surprized that there
isn't
> more howling, if not rioting, over the high price of gas out there. It is
at
> least $0.60 a gallon more than out here, and up to $1. And here I don't
even
> need to get out of my car to pump it either. Never mind the number of big
> SUV's out there, I don't even want to know what their annual gas costs
are.
>
> I would dial back some of the advance. You won't loose much in
responsiveness
> and power, but save big $$$ on the gas. IMO
>
> -Tosh Desai
>
> '85 Rx-7 GSL, MARRS Spec Rx-7 #52
> 1995 Miata PEP, Spec Miata #52
> (email redacted)
>
>
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>
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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

> Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
>
> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another of
> the same or a silicon duct?

I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on mine, at
least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so long as
it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . . that's
what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
weekend project.

BW

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Mail From: romad (Dennis B. Swaney)

At 4:13 -0700 4/10/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
> > Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
>> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
>> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
>> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
>> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
>>
>> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another of
>> the same or a silicon duct?
>
>I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on mine, at
>least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so long as
>it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . . that's
>what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
>weekend project.

AFM, MAF, at least I got the right letters! I'm waiting for a reply
from Moss Motors on the duct. Maybe this weekend (Sun & Mon, for me)
I can try to see what size I need.
--

Miataly,
Dennis
---
Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
Oroville, California TEAM USAF
Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Founding Member, A.C.M.E.
Team California License Plate Blue Team Flyin' Miata
('90 VIN: 7028) Team Valentine 1

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Mail From: mgrossie ((email redacted))

I just read (somewhere) this week that using Tulene or Tolene (available at
paint stores) will raise the octane of your fuel - Believe it was like a
gallon to a tank of gas. Raises 87 Octane to 93 - About $8-10 a gallon.
Might have seen it on Miatapower.net on the list server or Miata.net forum.
If I can find it I will post the information.



M H. Grossie,

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Mail From: luxvivens (Steve Parrott)

This issue came up once before on the Corvette list. I can't remember the
technical details, but the bottom line of it all was to NOT do it. Some of
the highly ed-ju-ma-ca-ted engineering types had reasons for it, but think
about it, would you REALLY feel comfortable going into a paint store and
pouring a gallon of that stuff in your Miata? Not me. If it really worked
that well, it would be much more well known and used.
Steve


----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


> I just read (somewhere) this week that using Tulene or Tolene (available
at
> paint stores) will raise the octane of your fuel - Believe it was like a
> gallon to a tank of gas. Raises 87 Octane to 93 - About $8-10 a gallon.
> Might have seen it on Miatapower.net on the list server or Miata.net
forum.
> If I can find it I will post the information.
>
>
>
> M H. Grossie,
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: treynolds (Tom Reynolds)

Adding Tolene is just an octane additive, I don't recall what the
negative sides are. When I used to run turbo cars it wasn't uncommon to
see guys mixing this stuff in their garage before heading out. I never
bothered; it reminded me too much of adding mothballs to the gas tank -
another octane additive that I just never tried on my own car :)



Tom Reynolds
Network Engineer
Access Computer Technologies
www.actnm.com
Office: 505-341-0202
Fax: 505-346-1773


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
Of Steve Parrott
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:28 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution

This issue came up once before on the Corvette list. I can't remember
the
technical details, but the bottom line of it all was to NOT do it. Some
of
the highly ed-ju-ma-ca-ted engineering types had reasons for it, but
think
about it, would you REALLY feel comfortable going into a paint store
and
pouring a gallon of that stuff in your Miata? Not me. If it really
worked
that well, it would be much more well known and used.
Steve


----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


> I just read (somewhere) this week that using Tulene or Tolene
(available
at
> paint stores) will raise the octane of your fuel - Believe it was like
a
> gallon to a tank of gas. Raises 87 Octane to 93 - About $8-10 a
gallon.
> Might have seen it on Miatapower.net on the list server or Miata.net
forum.
> If I can find it I will post the information.
>
>
>
> M H. Grossie,
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata


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Mail From: Brad Franks" <bfranks (Brad Franks)

Toluene is what you are referring to. It's a solvent and used in too high a
quantity can cause problems with rubber lines. However, using it to bump
your octane from 93 to 95 shouldn't cause too many problems. I know one
person who has used it continuously in his SC'd car for 2+ years with no ill
effects reported so far.

YMMV etc...

Brad

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Parrott" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


> This issue came up once before on the Corvette list. I can't remember the
> technical details, but the bottom line of it all was to NOT do it. Some
of
> the highly ed-ju-ma-ca-ted engineering types had reasons for it, but
think
> about it, would you REALLY feel comfortable going into a paint store and
> pouring a gallon of that stuff in your Miata? Not me. If it really
worked
> that well, it would be much more well known and used.
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:59 AM
> Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
>
> > I just read (somewhere) this week that using Tulene or Tolene (available
> at
> > paint stores) will raise the octane of your fuel - Believe it was like a
> > gallon to a tank of gas. Raises 87 Octane to 93 - About $8-10 a gallon.
> > Might have seen it on Miatapower.net on the list server or Miata.net
> forum.
> > If I can find it I will post the information.
> >
> >
> >
> > M H. Grossie,
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
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> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

The negative is the stuff is highly toxic and can be absorbed through the
skin. Ran some once at a track day, would have rather had some real super
high test, I noticed no difference in my power or the J&S timing.

Larry Alster

1991 "White Knight" CSP #99
1992 "Silver Bullet" EM #17 BEGI System 4.2+
1992 "Honey Bee"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Reynolds" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


> Adding Tolene is just an octane additive, I don't recall what the
> negative sides are. When I used to run turbo cars it wasn't uncommon to
> see guys mixing this stuff in their garage before heading out. I never
> bothered; it reminded me too much of adding mothballs to the gas tank -
> another octane additive that I just never tried on my own car :)
>
>
>
> Tom Reynolds
> Network Engineer
> Access Computer Technologies
> www.actnm.com
> Office: 505-341-0202
> Fax: 505-346-1773
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
> Of Steve Parrott
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
> This issue came up once before on the Corvette list. I can't remember
> the
> technical details, but the bottom line of it all was to NOT do it. Some
> of
> the highly ed-ju-ma-ca-ted engineering types had reasons for it, but
> think
> about it, would you REALLY feel comfortable going into a paint store
> and
> pouring a gallon of that stuff in your Miata? Not me. If it really
> worked
> that well, it would be much more well known and used.
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:59 AM
> Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
>
> > I just read (somewhere) this week that using Tulene or Tolene
> (available
> at
> > paint stores) will raise the octane of your fuel - Believe it was like
> a
> > gallon to a tank of gas. Raises 87 Octane to 93 - About $8-10 a
> gallon.
> > Might have seen it on Miatapower.net on the list server or Miata.net
> forum.
> > If I can find it I will post the information.
> >
> >
> >
> > M H. Grossie,
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>
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Mail From: toshdesai (Tosh Desai)

> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> This issue came up once before on the Corvette list. I can't remember the
> technical details, but the bottom line of it all was to NOT do it. Some of the
> highly ed-ju-ma-ca-ted engineering types had reasons for it, but think about
> it, would you REALLY feel comfortable going into a paint store and pouring a
> gallon of that stuff in your Miata? Not me. If it really worked that well, it
> would be much more well known and used. Steve

Tolulene is already in gasoline. IIRC, allowed up to 40%. It varies
depending on the refiner and their different formulations. With the demise of
lead, the aromatics are used in increased proportions to increase the octane
ratings.

You could burn pure toluene for fuel without hurting anything, but it is much
more expensive to us, on the retail level. And it won't have the additives to
keep moisture and dirt dissolved.

IMO, if you want to blend toluene to increase octane rating, go ahead, but
it's cheaper to buy higher rated gas.

-Tosh Desai

'85 Rx-7 GSL, MARRS Spec Rx-7 #52
1995 Miata PEP, Spec Miata #52
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Mail From: java_caffeina (Ron Zander)

I've been running regular in the BMW lately too, with the chip I'm supposed
to use 92, amazingly it hardly pings at all even when i'm on it hard. I just
ran some decarbonizing stuff through with the gas, I wonder if that helped.
I'm going to keep buying from the same Arco as long as it works good.

Ronald Zander
Java Caffeina
2228 Sunrise Blvd.
Rancho Cordova, CA 95670
916-852-1923
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-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
Of Bonni Weatherwax
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:01 PM
To: Miata Club Newslist
Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the high
prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The gurgling
(pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise, but as
soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the recent
few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the pinging is
more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting, will this
hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the high cost
of what I should be using -- 91 octane.

Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the according
bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two mods
that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?

TIA,

BW

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Mail From: vanwey7 (The Van Wey Family)

I would be careful about that. Given the closeness of the names you
mentioned to toluene, I would make dang sure that it not the makeup of what
you are getting ready to do as toluene is EXTREMELY explosive!!! I am not
saying you have been given bad info, but please make suire you know what you
are about to do. Safety first!!! ;-)

SV
----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


> I just read (somewhere) this week that using Tulene or Tolene (available
at
> paint stores) will raise the octane of your fuel - Believe it was like a
> gallon to a tank of gas. Raises 87 Octane to 93 - About $8-10 a gallon.
> Might have seen it on Miatapower.net on the list server or Miata.net
forum.
> If I can find it I will post the information.
>
>
>
> M H. Grossie,
>
>
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Mail From: ian (Ian McCloghrie)

On Apr 10, 2003 "The Van Wey Family" wrote:
> I would be careful about that. Given the closeness of the names you
> mentioned to toluene, I would make dang sure that it not the makeup of what
> you are getting ready to do as toluene is EXTREMELY explosive!!! I am not
> saying you have been given bad info, but please make suire you know what you
> are about to do. Safety first!!! ;-)

Toluene isn't any more explosive than gasoline is. Caution is
definitely warranted, but it's not like you're lugging chunks of
plutonium around or anything. :)

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Mail From: romad (Dennis B. Swaney)

At 6:45 -0700 4/10/03, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
>At 4:13 -0700 4/10/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
>> > Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
>>> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
>>> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
>>> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
>>> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
>>>
>>> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another of
>>> the same or a silicon duct?
>>
>>I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on mine, at
>>least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so long as
>>it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . . that's
>>what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
>>weekend project.
>
>AFM, MAF, at least I got the right letters! I'm waiting for a reply
>from Moss Motors on the duct. Maybe this weekend (Sun & Mon, for me)
>I can try to see what size I need.

Well, I got a reply from Moss Motors: $54.00! I guess I'll have to
see how long electrical tape will work
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Mail From: mhagerla (Michael Hagerla)

54 dollars? Now that is what you call B.S.

I guess Moss just thinks that we are all stupid...

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
Of Dennis B. Swaney
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:44 PM
To: Bonni Weatherwax; Miata Club Newslist
Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


At 6:45 -0700 4/10/03, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
>At 4:13 -0700 4/10/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
>> > Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
>>> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
>>> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
>>> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
>>> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
>>>
>>> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another of
>>> the same or a silicon duct?
>>
>>I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on mine,
at
>>least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so long as
>>it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . . that's
>>what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
>>weekend project.
>
>AFM, MAF, at least I got the right letters! I'm waiting for a reply
>from Moss Motors on the duct. Maybe this weekend (Sun & Mon, for me)
>I can try to see what size I need.

Well, I got a reply from Moss Motors: $54.00! I guess I'll have to
see how long electrical tape will work
--

Miataly,
Dennis
---
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Oroville, California TEAM USAF
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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

Like I said earlier -- it would make a fun weekend project. Use some of
your creative genius -- make one of your own! In fact, I bet it'll be
better. That's what I plan to do once mine cracks. It does help to keep
some vinyl protectant, believe it or not, on the snorkel. Mine is nearly
two years old and not even a sign of aging or cracking, and it's been off
several times.

BOL,

BW

> 54 dollars? Now that is what you call B.S.
>
> I guess Moss just thinks that we are all stupid...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
> Of Dennis B. Swaney
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:44 PM
> To: Bonni Weatherwax; Miata Club Newslist
> Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
>
> At 6:45 -0700 4/10/03, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
> >At 4:13 -0700 4/10/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
> >> > Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
> >>> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
> >>> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
> >>> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
> >>> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another
of
> >>> the same or a silicon duct?
> >>
> >>I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on
mine,
> at
> >>least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so long
as
> >>it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . .
that's
> >>what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
> >>weekend project.
> >
> >AFM, MAF, at least I got the right letters! I'm waiting for a reply
> >from Moss Motors on the duct. Maybe this weekend (Sun & Mon, for me)
> >I can try to see what size I need.
>
> Well, I got a reply from Moss Motors: $54.00! I guess I'll have to
> see how long electrical tape will work
> --
>
> Miataly,
> Dennis
> ---
> Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
> Oroville, California TEAM USAF
> Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Founding Member, A.C.M.E.
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Mail From: mhagerla (Michael Hagerla)

Absolutely Bonni! I just inspected mine(I try to rembmer to do so every
couple oil changes), but it is still in good condition! This is the
original accordion tube and it is almost 9 years old!!! I have never put
any vinyl/rubber dressing on it either. I did install it per JR's specs
making sure there was plenty of slack so that when the engine moves around
it wouldn't stress it, but I am sure I have been lucky also.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
Of Bonni Weatherwax
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:41 PM
To: (email redacted); Dennis B. Swaney; Miata Club Newslist
Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


Like I said earlier -- it would make a fun weekend project. Use some of
your creative genius -- make one of your own! In fact, I bet it'll be
better. That's what I plan to do once mine cracks. It does help to keep
some vinyl protectant, believe it or not, on the snorkel. Mine is nearly
two years old and not even a sign of aging or cracking, and it's been off
several times.

BOL,

BW

> 54 dollars? Now that is what you call B.S.
>
> I guess Moss just thinks that we are all stupid...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
> Of Dennis B. Swaney
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:44 PM
> To: Bonni Weatherwax; Miata Club Newslist
> Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
>
> At 6:45 -0700 4/10/03, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
> >At 4:13 -0700 4/10/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
> >> > Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never noticed
> >>> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
> >>> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
> >>> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
> >>> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another
of
> >>> the same or a silicon duct?
> >>
> >>I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on
mine,
> at
> >>least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so long
as
> >>it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . .
that's
> >>what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
> >>weekend project.
> >
> >AFM, MAF, at least I got the right letters! I'm waiting for a reply
> >from Moss Motors on the duct. Maybe this weekend (Sun & Mon, for me)
> >I can try to see what size I need.
>
> Well, I got a reply from Moss Motors: $54.00! I guess I'll have to
> see how long electrical tape will work
> --
>
> Miataly,
> Dennis
> ---
> Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
> Oroville, California TEAM USAF
> Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Founding Member, A.C.M.E.
> Team California License Plate Blue Team Flyin' Miata
> ('90 VIN: 7028) Team Valentine 1
>
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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Big problem is that it causes cancer and is absorbed through the skin.

Larry

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From: "Ian McCloghrie" <(email redacted)>
To: "The Van Wey Family" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>;
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution


> On Apr 10, 2003 "The Van Wey Family" wrote:
> > I would be careful about that. Given the closeness of the names you
> > mentioned to toluene, I would make dang sure that it not the makeup of
what
> > you are getting ready to do as toluene is EXTREMELY explosive!!! I am
not
> > saying you have been given bad info, but please make suire you know what
you
> > are about to do. Safety first!!! ;-)
>
> Toluene isn't any more explosive than gasoline is. Caution is
> definitely warranted, but it's not like you're lugging chunks of
> plutonium around or anything. :)
>
> --Ian
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Mail From: romad (Dennis B. Swaney)

At 21:57 -0700 4/10/03, Michael Hagerla wrote:
>Absolutely Bonni! I just inspected mine(I try to rembmer to do so every
>couple oil changes), but it is still in good condition! This is the
>original accordion tube and it is almost 9 years old!!! I have never put
>any vinyl/rubber dressing on it either. I did install it per JR's specs
>making sure there was plenty of slack so that when the engine moves around
>it wouldn't stress it, but I am sure I have been lucky also.

Do you think the silicon tubes used with superchargers have
sufficient play? If not what is the best material & source to use?
The electrical tape is just an interim fix until I can get a good
replacement part.
--

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Dennis
---
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Oroville, California TEAM USAF
Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Founding Member, A.C.M.E.
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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

> Do you think the silicon tubes used with superchargers have
> sufficient play? If not what is the best material & source to use?
> The electrical tape is just an interim fix until I can get a good
> replacement part.
> --

Well, as long as they are of the same diameter, can contain the same volume
of air, and are about as flexible, then yes -- I'd take this educated risk
until you get the replacement. Supercharger bellows, from my experience,
are usually too short though, aren't they?

BW

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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

One reply to several posts, as you can see . . . rest assured, nothing goes
into my tank but gasoline. And again, no FI -- just a plain ol' motor with
some helpful mods to increase and direct air flow. =-)

BW

> Big problem is that it causes cancer and is absorbed through the skin.
>
> > On Apr 10, 2003 "The Van Wey Family" wrote:
> > > I would be careful about that.

> > Toluene isn't any more explosive than gasoline is. Caution is
> > definitely warranted, but it's not like you're lugging chunks of
> > plutonium around or anything. :)
> >

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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

I think you are actually referring to the bellows (the accordion thingee
between the AFM and the snorkel side outlet). I was talking about the
snorkel -- at least I thought that's what you're supposed to call it -- the
piece that goes over your radiator where all the air gets sucked into. THAT
is the part I have kept vinyl protectant on, not the bellows. I have done
nothing to the bellows except make sure the connection is stable. I did
have, initially, a problem with one of the fan shrouds (covers, whatever you
call 'em) rubbing on the bellows. I just took a dremmel tool to the plastic
fan cover and all was right with the world. Dunno if that is a common
problem, but it happened to me, and was easy to remedy. The only thing I
can say to a person that might have undue wear on the bellows is to make
absolutely sure that it is completely collapsed (squished up might be a
simpler term, lol) when you attach it between the AFM and snorkel, lest you
will get too much vibration and it can actually ruin the CAI system,
according to the JR instructions.

Is that what you mean, Michael? ;-Þ Sorry if I was not very clear earlier,
or if I am STILL not very clear now. Lol. What's new?

> Absolutely Bonni! I just inspected mine(I try to rembmer to do so every
> couple oil changes), but it is still in good condition! This is the
> original accordion tube and it is almost 9 years old!!! I have never put
> any vinyl/rubber dressing on it either. I did install it per JR's specs
> making sure there was plenty of slack so that when the engine moves around
> it wouldn't stress it, but I am sure I have been lucky also.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
> Of Bonni Weatherwax
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 8:41 PM
> To: (email redacted); Dennis B. Swaney; Miata Club Newslist
> Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
>
>
> Like I said earlier -- it would make a fun weekend project. Use some of
> your creative genius -- make one of your own! In fact, I bet it'll be
> better. That's what I plan to do once mine cracks. It does help to keep
> some vinyl protectant, believe it or not, on the snorkel. Mine is nearly
> two years old and not even a sign of aging or cracking, and it's been off
> several times.
>
> BOL,
>
> BW
>
> > 54 dollars? Now that is what you call B.S.
> >
> > I guess Moss just thinks that we are all stupid...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
> > Of Dennis B. Swaney
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:44 PM
> > To: Bonni Weatherwax; Miata Club Newslist
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] High gas prices and my not-so-great solution
> >
> >
> > At 6:45 -0700 4/10/03, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
> > >At 4:13 -0700 4/10/03, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
> > >> > Bonnie, I have the JR CAI & use 87 all the time. I've never
noticed
> > >>> pinging until recently when I also discovered that the flex tube
> > >>> between the MAF sensor & intake manifold has developed some holes.
> > >>> I'm going to wrap it with electrical tape until I can find a
> > >>> replacement. Also, just try going to 89 octane.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW, what would be the best replacement of the flex duct, another
> of
> > >>> the same or a silicon duct?
> > >>
> > >>I take it you mean the AFM and the intake man? That's how it is on
> mine,
> > at
> > >>least. I figure you could use any snorkel (duct) you wanted to so
long
> as
> > >>it fits up right and you get similar air flow. Just a hunch . . .
> that's
> > >>what I'd do, anyway. Heck, why not just make one? Sounds like a fun
> > >>weekend project.
> > >
> > >AFM, MAF, at least I got the right letters! I'm waiting for a reply
> > >from Moss Motors on the duct. Maybe this weekend (Sun & Mon, for me)
> > >I can try to see what size I need.
> >
> > Well, I got a reply from Moss Motors: $54.00! I guess I'll have to
> > see how long electrical tape will work
> > --
> >
> > Miataly,
> > Dennis
> > ---
> > Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
> > Oroville, California TEAM USAF
> > Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Founding Member, A.C.M.E.
> > Team California License Plate Blue Team Flyin' Miata
> > ('90 VIN: 7028) Team Valentine 1
> >
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Mail From: ian (Ian McCloghrie)

On Apr 11, 2003 Larry Alster wrote:
> Big problem is that it causes cancer and is absorbed through the skin.

According to the MSDS, it can cause central nervous system damage, but
not cancer.

Gasoline contains toluene, and can cause the same nervous system
damage. It also contains benzene, which IS carcinogenic.

Gasoline MSDS: docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/330961.pdf
Toluene MSDS: hess.com/about/msds/Toluene_1813_clr.pdf

--Ian

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Mail From: currier_john (John Currier)

How much is it up to out there? By my house it's at $1.42, but the
rest of the town (Charlotte NC) is around $1.56.

John

--- Bonni Weatherwax <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the
> high
> prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The
> gurgling
> (pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise,
> but as
> soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the
> recent
> few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the
> pinging is
> more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting,
> will this
> hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the
> high cost
> of what I should be using -- 91 octane.
>
> Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the
> according
> bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two
> mods
> that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?
>
> TIA,
>
> BW
>
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Mail From: mhagerla ((email redacted))

WTF, DON'T RUB IT IN DAMNIT!!! :D

It's averaging about 2.09 around here for 87 octane...we take it up the rear
here in CA, at least here in the SF bay area.

Mike
> How much is it up to out there? By my house it's at $1.42, but the
> rest of the town (Charlotte NC) is around $1.56.
>
> John
>
> --- Bonni Weatherwax <(email redacted)> wrote:
> > Well, even though I should not have, I have twice now cowered to the
> > high
> > prices of gasoline here in California and put in 87 test gas. The
> > gurgling
> > (pinging) is awful! If I take off really slow and smooth, no noise,
> > but as
> > soon as I shift much above, say, 5500, the ping is back. With the
> > recent
> > few days being easily over 70 degrees farenheit, of course, the
> > pinging is
> > more noticeable. So, my question -- for street use and commuting,
> > will this
> > hurt anything (other than my pride)? Or should I just suffer the
> > high cost
> > of what I should be using -- 91 octane.
> >
> > Bear in mind . . . mods include the Jackson Racing CAI and the
> > according
> > bumping up of the timing to 14 BTDC. I think those are the only two
> > mods
> > that might be affected by or affect the pinging affect?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > BW
> >
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