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Mail From: <(email redacted)>

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started a
small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like to
know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line problems
? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: Regie L Bryant <(email redacted)>

I used FM's new (I think they are silicone) water lines as shipped in
spring 2002. Before installation, I bought some of this Thermo-tec
Thermo-sleeve stuff:

store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=heat+wrap&x=19&y=13

and slipped the water lines through these. I also used them for the heater
core hoses, oil drain, wastegate hoses.

No problems/leaks yet, with about 98% track time (much more heat than you
can produce on the street). I think a lot to do with it is to protect all
nonmetal from the heat to start with.

As an aside, I also have aluminum/fiberglass cloth wrap on basically
everything on that side of the motor. The CAS sensor wires and connector,
throttle cable, brake lines, master cylinder. An FMII car that gets hard
track time will run in boost so much that it will melt all this stuff down
eventually, there is no comparison to running one on the street. (Except
of course, Keith, for those "mountains in Colorado".)

Regie



<(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted)
10/27/2004 12:20 cc:
PM Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!






Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started
a
small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is leaking

last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like
to
know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line
problems
? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my on

on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "Jason C" <(email redacted)>

I have had no problems with my turbo water lines for the past 30k miles. I
have "firesleeve" on it (hi temp furry tube of some sort), about 8 inches
long on it, and I wrapped it in adhesive aluminum tape from the hardware
store.

All hoses and the brake and clutch stuff near the turbo have a layer of the
Aluminum tape.

My AVO turbo manifold has a stainless steel heat shield, which isn't very
"thorough", hald the turbine and downpipe are exposed. My manifold,
downpipe, and turbine are ceramic coated.

In addition, for track days, I tie wrap a sheet of that flexible shiny-sided
fiberglass, just plopped there like a blanket, blocking the radiant heat
from the turbo, from hitting the plethora of hoses and brake and clutch
reservoirs.

No problems, until I had a small oil fire after 30 minutes of hot lapping -
I left the oil cap off... everything was wet with oil and the fire melted
the accelerator and cruise control cables, and nearly melted the brake
reservoir cap, and a custom-routed heater hose from the back of the head
that goes over the turbo, that was relatively unprotected.. I'm sure it
would have been way worse if I didn't have said blanket.




----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:20 AM
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


> Hello all,
>
> For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started
a
> small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
> fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is
leaking
> last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like
to
> know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
> Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line
problems
> ? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
> turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my
on
> on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.
>
> TIA,
> Jeff
>
>

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

What type of clamps do you have on there?

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:21 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line problems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "Wiseman, Curtis J" <(email redacted)>

For the Thermo Sleeve in particular, try this link instead

store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=K
eywordSearch&Ntt=thermo+sleeve&x=14&y=12

-----Original Message-----
From: Regie L Bryant [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:43 PM
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


I used FM's new (I think they are silicone) water lines as shipped in
spring 2002. Before installation, I bought some of this Thermo-tec
Thermo-sleeve stuff:

store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=K
eywordSearch&Ntt=heat+wrap&x=19&y=13

and slipped the water lines through these. I also used them for the
heater core hoses, oil drain, wastegate hoses.

No problems/leaks yet, with about 98% track time (much more heat than
you can produce on the street). I think a lot to do with it is to
protect all nonmetal from the heat to start with.

As an aside, I also have aluminum/fiberglass cloth wrap on basically
everything on that side of the motor. The CAS sensor wires and
connector, throttle cable, brake lines, master cylinder. An FMII car
that gets hard track time will run in boost so much that it will melt
all this stuff down eventually, there is no comparison to running one on
the street. (Except of course, Keith, for those "mountains in
Colorado".)

Regie




<(email redacted)>

To:
(email redacted)

10/27/2004 12:20 cc:

PM Subject: Turbo water
lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!








Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has
started a small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right
now i have a fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i
discovered is leaking

last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would
like to know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved
water lines. Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the
water line problems ? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size
and weld it to the turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take
it easy and keep my on

on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "Murray, Richard" <(email redacted)>

You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to move the hose
nipples away from the hot exhaust.

I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to move the
hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down with a short
tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line problems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: (email redacted)


That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot of heat is
transferred metal to metal through the metal water line connectors (do those
things have a proper name?). I would like to do both, move the rubber hose
itself away from the heat, and prevent, or at least limit, the heat transfer
through the fittings.

Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for. I'm
imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to connect iron and
copper pipes together - a dielectric union - which connects the pipes and
makes a water tight seal, but prevents the two pipes from making actual contact
with each other.

Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every year or so.

Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo Miata service
schedule?

Jim in Tucson




You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to move the hose
nipples away from the hot exhaust.

I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to move the
hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down with a short
tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line problems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "mel hoagland" <(email redacted)>

Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs amounts =
to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate through there - t=
he main issue is to get the rubber parts well protected or physically separ=
ated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the well-protected route - =
Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided fiberglass heat shields on the coola=
nt lines. The system has worked fine for at least 4 years, and my turbo has=
the earlier, short barbs. In all three cases, the heat protection covers t=
he hoses clamps.

(Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").

Mel

...........................o~`o
WHEEZY

----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=
=20
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot of heat=
is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line connectors (do =
those things have a proper name?). I would like to do both, move the rubber=
hose itself away from the heat, and prevent, or at least limit, the heat t=
ransfer through the fittings.=20

Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for. I'm imag=
ining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to connect iron=
and copper pipes together - a dielectric union - which connects the pipes =
and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the two pipes from making actual=
contact with each other.

Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every year or so.

Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo Miata serv=
ice schedule?

Jim in Tucson



You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to move the =
hose
nipples away from the hot exhaust.

I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to move t=
he
hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down with a sho=
rt
tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has star=
ted a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have =
a=20
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is lea=
king=20
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would li=
ke to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water line=
s.=20
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line pro=
blems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the=
=20
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep m=
y on=20
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "Lee Bohon" <(email redacted)>

Mel's correct. I think the idea of extending the point where the hoses
join in to metal pipes is to keep the rubber water lines away from the
radiant heat emitting from the hot turbine housing and exhaust manifold.
Same concept would apply with the oil drain line. On my turbo, the
water lines and oil drain are not extended away from the turbo w/ metal
pipes. Instead, the rubber lines I have are more tolerant of the heat.
The silicone water lines FM sells have worked fine for me, although I've
had a couple tear in the past (I think I pinched them too hard with hose
clamps). The oil drain line I have I got from a local source.

I originally had the rubber fuel lines for water lines. Over time, the
rubber would harden and get brittle the closer it was to the turbo. It
was just getting baked by the turbo and exhaust manifold.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: mel hoagland [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:38 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs
amounts to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate
through there - the main issue is to get the rubber parts well protected
or physically separated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the
well-protected route - Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided fiberglass
heat shields on the coolant lines. The system has worked fine for at
least 4 years, and my turbo has the earlier, short barbs. In all three
cases, the heat protection covers the hoses clamps.

(Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").

Mel

...........................o~`o
WHEEZY


----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted) ; (email redacted)

Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot of
heat is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line
connectors (do those things have a proper name?). I would like to do
both, move the rubber hose itself away from the heat, and prevent, or at
least limit, the heat transfer through the fittings.

Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for. I'm
imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to
connect iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union - which
connects the pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the two
pipes from making actual contact with each other.

Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every year or
so.

Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo Miata
service schedule?

Jim in Tucson




You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to move the
hose
nipples away from the hot exhaust.

I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to move
the
hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down with a
short
tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has
started a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a

fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is
leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would
like to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water
lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line
problems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my
on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "Murray, Richard" <(email redacted)>

I agree with Mel and Lee. The destructive heat is coming from the outside of
the hose and having a metal clamp does not help.

One other reason I extended the hose barb fittings away from the turbo was
so that I could get some fire sleeve around the hose and clamp while leaving
an air gap. I held it in place with some RTV.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 00:26
To: (email redacted); (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot of heat is
transferred metal to metal through the metal water line connectors (do those
things have a proper name?). I would like to do both, move the rubber hose
itself away from the heat, and prevent, or at least limit, the heat transfer
through the fittings.

Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for. I'm
imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to connect
iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union - which connects the
pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the two pipes from making
actual contact with each other.

Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every year or so.

Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo Miata service
schedule?

Jim in Tucson



You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to move the hose
nipples away from the hot exhaust.

I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to move the
hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down with a short
tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has started a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would like to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line problems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: Bill Bowser <(email redacted)>

It seems to me that this discussion is ignoring the obvious... the
reason that you have coolant flowing through the turbo is to cool it.
Cooling the fittings connected to the turbo helps to cool the turbo.
What am I missing here?

Bill Bowser
Cincinnati

mel hoagland wrote:

> Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs
> amounts to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate
> through there - the main issue is to get the rubber parts well protected
> or physically separated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the
> well-protected route - Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided fiberglass
> heat shields on the coolant lines. The system has worked fine for at
> least 4 years, and my turbo has the earlier, short barbs. In all three
> cases, the heat protection covers the hoses clamps.
>
> (Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").
>
> Mel
>
> /...........................o~`o
> WHEEZY/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> *To:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
> (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted)
> <mailto:(email redacted)>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
> get it!!
>
> That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot of
> heat is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line
> connectors (do those things have a proper name?). I would like to do
> both, move the rubber hose itself away from the heat, and prevent,
> or at least limit, the heat transfer through the fittings.
>
> Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for. I'm
> imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to
> connect iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union - which
> connects the pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the
> two pipes from making actual contact with each other.
>
> Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every year
> or so.
>
> Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo Miata
> service schedule?
>
> Jim in Tucson
>
>
>
>
> You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to
> move the hose
> nipples away from the hot exhaust.
>
> I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to
> move the
> hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down
> with a short
> tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!
>
> Hello all,
>
> For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line
> has started a
>
> small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now
> i have a
> fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered
> is leaking
> last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i
> would like to
>
> know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved
> water lines.
> Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water
> line problems
>
> ? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it
> to the
> turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and
> keep my on
> on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.
>
> TIA,
> Jeff
>
>

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Mail From: "Ray" <(email redacted)>

I've got the long (~3" IIRC) water nipples on my turbo with no heat wrap and
the original 5-yr-old hoses are still not leaking. This is on a daily
driver, not a track car.


----- Original Message -----
From: "mel hoagland" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs amounts
to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate through there -
the main issue is to get the rubber parts well protected or physically
separated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the well-protected
route - Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided fiberglass heat shields on
the coolant lines. The system has worked fine for at least 4 years, and my
turbo has the earlier, short barbs. In all three cases, the heat protection
covers the hoses clamps.

(Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").

Mel

...........................o~`o
WHEEZY

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted) ; (email redacted)
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!


That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot of heat
is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line connectors (do
those things have a proper name?). I would like to do both, move the rubber
hose itself away from the heat, and prevent, or at least limit, the heat
transfer through the fittings.

Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for. I'm
imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to connect
iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union - which connects the
pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the two pipes from making
actual contact with each other.

Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every year or so.

Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo Miata
service schedule?

Jim in Tucson



You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to move the
hose
nipples away from the hot exhaust.

I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side to move
the
hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down with a
short
tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and away.

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Hello all,

For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line has
started a

small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right now i have a
fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i discovered is
leaking
last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i would
like to

know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved water
lines.
Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water line
problems

? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld it to the
turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy and keep my
on
on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.

TIA,
Jeff

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Mail From: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>

Keep in mind the water is only a "cool" 180*F on one side of the turbo.
On the other side it's going to be quite a bit warmer than that as it
exits the turbo and has not yet been cooled by the radiator.

Ray Ackley

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bowser [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:16 AM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

It seems to me that this discussion is ignoring the obvious... the=20
reason that you have coolant flowing through the turbo is to cool it.=20
Cooling the fittings connected to the turbo helps to cool the turbo.=20
What am I missing here?

Bill Bowser
Cincinnati

mel hoagland wrote:

> Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs=20
> amounts to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate=20
> through there - the main issue is to get the rubber parts well
protected=20
> or physically separated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the

> well-protected route - Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided
fiberglass=20
> heat shields on the coolant lines. The system has worked fine for at=20
> least 4 years, and my turbo has the earlier, short barbs. In all three

> cases, the heat protection covers the hoses clamps.
>=20=20
> (Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").
>=20=20
> Mel
>=20
> /...........................o~`o
> WHEEZY/
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> *To:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
> (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
(email redacted)
> <mailto:(email redacted)>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
> get it!!
>=20
> That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot
of
> heat is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line
> connectors (do those things have a proper name?). I would like to
do
> both, move the rubber hose itself away from the heat, and prevent,
> or at least limit, the heat transfer through the fittings.
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
> Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for.
I'm
> imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to
> connect iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union -
which
> connects the pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the
> two pipes from making actual contact with each other.
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
> Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every
year
> or so.
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
> Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo
Miata
> service schedule?
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
> Jim in Tucson
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
>=20=20=20=20=20=20
>=20
> You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to
> move the hose
> nipples away from the hot exhaust.
>=20
> I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side
to
> move the
> hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down
> with a short
> tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and
away.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
get it!!
>=20
> Hello all,
>=20
> For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line
> has started a
>=20
> small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right
now
> i have a
> fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i
discovered
> is leaking
> last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i
> would like to
>=20
> know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved
> water lines.
> Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water
> line problems
>=20
> ? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld
it
> to the
> turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy
and
> keep my on
> on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.
>=20
> TIA,
> Jeff
>=20
>=20=20=20=20=20=20

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Mail From: Bill Bowser <(email redacted)>

As long as the coolant temperature is below the temperature of the turbo
and its fittings the coolant will cool the turbo. That's why you route
the coolant through the turbo. You want the coolant to get hot; that's
how it carries off the unwanted heat.

Bill Bowser
Cincinnati

Ackley, Ray (R.A.) wrote:

> Keep in mind the water is only a "cool" 180*F on one side of the turbo.
> On the other side it's going to be quite a bit warmer than that as it
> exits the turbo and has not yet been cooled by the radiator.
>
> Ray Ackley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Bowser [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:16 AM
> Cc: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!
>
> It seems to me that this discussion is ignoring the obvious... the
> reason that you have coolant flowing through the turbo is to cool it.
> Cooling the fittings connected to the turbo helps to cool the turbo.
> What am I missing here?
>
> Bill Bowser
> Cincinnati
>
> mel hoagland wrote:
>
>
>>Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs
>>amounts to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate
>>through there - the main issue is to get the rubber parts well
>
> protected
>
>>or physically separated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the
>
>
>>well-protected route - Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided
>
> fiberglass
>
>>heat shields on the coolant lines. The system has worked fine for at
>>least 4 years, and my turbo has the earlier, short barbs. In all three
>
>
>>cases, the heat protection covers the hoses clamps.
>>
>>(Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").
>>
>>Mel
>>
>>/...........................o~`o
>>WHEEZY/
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
>> *To:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
>> (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
>
> (email redacted)
>
>> <mailto:(email redacted)>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
>> get it!!
>>
>> That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot
>
> of
>
>> heat is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line
>> connectors (do those things have a proper name?). I would like to
>
> do
>
>> both, move the rubber hose itself away from the heat, and prevent,
>> or at least limit, the heat transfer through the fittings.
>>
>> Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for.
>
> I'm
>
>> imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to
>> connect iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union -
>
> which
>
>> connects the pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the
>> two pipes from making actual contact with each other.
>>
>> Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every
>
> year
>
>> or so.
>>
>> Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo
>
> Miata
>
>> service schedule?
>>
>> Jim in Tucson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to
>> move the hose
>> nipples away from the hot exhaust.
>>
>> I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side
>
> to
>
>> move the
>> hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down
>> with a short
>> tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and
>
> away.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
>> To: (email redacted)
>> Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
>
> get it!!
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line
>> has started a
>>
>> small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right
>
> now
>
>> i have a
>> fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i
>
> discovered
>
>> is leaking
>> last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i
>> would like to
>>
>> know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved
>> water lines.
>> Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water
>> line problems
>>
>> ? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld
>
> it
>
>> to the
>> turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy
>
> and
>
>> keep my on
>> on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Mail From: "Murray, Richard" <(email redacted)>

When I measured the temperature delta it was only 5-10F between the inlet
and outlet, depending on engine speed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ackley, Ray (R.A.) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:26
To: Bill Bowser
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

Keep in mind the water is only a "cool" 180*F on one side of the turbo.
On the other side it's going to be quite a bit warmer than that as it
exits the turbo and has not yet been cooled by the radiator.

Ray Ackley

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bowser [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:16 AM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i get it!!

It seems to me that this discussion is ignoring the obvious... the
reason that you have coolant flowing through the turbo is to cool it.
Cooling the fittings connected to the turbo helps to cool the turbo.
What am I missing here?

Bill Bowser
Cincinnati

mel hoagland wrote:

> Frankly, I don't think the heat transfer into those extended barbs
> amounts to much - remember, the coolant is flowing at a high rate
> through there - the main issue is to get the rubber parts well
protected
> or physically separated from the heat source. On Wheezy, I've gone the

> well-protected route - Fire Sleeve on the oil return, braided
fiberglass
> heat shields on the coolant lines. The system has worked fine for at
> least 4 years, and my turbo has the earlier, short barbs. In all three

> cases, the heat protection covers the hoses clamps.
>
> (Those "metal water line connectors" are called "barbs").
>
> Mel
>
> /...........................o~`o
> WHEEZY/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> *To:* (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
> (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
(email redacted)
> <mailto:(email redacted)>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2004 12:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
> get it!!
>
> That is certainly a good idea, Richard. However, I do think a lot
of
> heat is transferred metal to metal through the metal water line
> connectors (do those things have a proper name?). I would like to
do
> both, move the rubber hose itself away from the heat, and prevent,
> or at least limit, the heat transfer through the fittings.
>
> Anyone have an idea on this? I'm not even sure what to look for.
I'm
> imagining some kind of connector similar to what a plumber uses to
> connect iron and copper pipes together - a dielectric union -
which
> connects the pipes and makes a water tight seal, but prevents the
> two pipes from making actual contact with each other.
>
> Prolly just as easy to simply change out the water lines every
year
> or so.
>
> Which brings me back to...has anyone actually compiled a turbo
Miata
> service schedule?
>
> Jim in Tucson
>
>
>
>
> You can use simple threaded brass fittings and short tubes to
> move the hose
> nipples away from the hot exhaust.
>
> I used a right angle turned to the front on the outboard side
to
> move the
> hose away from the turbine. I used a right angle turned down
> with a short
> tube on the exhaust manifold side to move the nipple down and
away.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:21
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Turbo water lines-what is overkill and where can i
get it!!
>
> Hello all,
>
> For the third time in about 8 months my water turbo water line
> has started a
>
> small leak and i am really sick of dealing with this. Right
now
> i have a
> fuel line and some red silicone holding it up which i
discovered
> is leaking
> last night. I have just ordered a new water line from FM and i
> would like to
>
> know if anyone has had a problem with these new and imporved
> water lines.
> Also what would be overkill and a final soulution to the water
> line problems
>
> ? Is there a way to use a metal pipe the same size and weld
it
> to the
> turbo's water fittings ? I guess for now i will take it easy
and
> keep my on
> on the coolant temps and my coolant levels.
>
> TIA,
> Jeff
>
>

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Which particular item on this list is the one that has been proven to work
on the turbo water lines, the turbo oil drain line, and the heater hoses? Or do
I need three different sizes of Thermo Sleeve?

store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=K
eywordSearch&Ntt=thermo+sleeve&x=14&y=12

What has been proven as the best method to secure? I presume this stuff
comes in one long piece that can be cut to any length? I would prefer NOT to
secure it with metal hose clamps, as that would simply attract more heat. I
presume that zip ties would melt. Safety wire might become brittle.

Will this Thermo Sleeve product stretch to fit over the hose clamps? Or do
you simply butt it up to the clamp, leaving the actually end of the hose and
the clamp fully exposed? Maybe someone has a close-up photo of this? Or could
take a couple? Sorry to be so anal, but I'm not fully understanding how this
would work.

Details, we want details!

Thanks a bunch,
Jim in Tucson




For the Thermo Sleeve in particular, try this link instead

store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=K
eywordSearch&Ntt=thermo+sleeve&x=14&y=12