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Mail From: "Sonny" <(email redacted)>


I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:

1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
3) Both? And why?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Later...
Sonny & "Bonnie"
Turbo Miata STO #679

If everything is headed your way,
you're in the wrong lane.

members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/

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Mail From: "Nathan Ramsey" <(email redacted)>


I'd get the BEGI IC kit that comes with the system 4.whatever...the
intercooled kit. See how that works. You'd also pick up some power and
make the system more engine friendly (lower chance of detonation by cooling
the intake charge). I suspect by doing this, and watering down your coolant
mixture a bit you would not have too many problems...

Good luck!

Nate


>
>I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
>weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
>wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
>
>1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
>2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
>3) Both? And why?
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Later...
>Sonny & "Bonnie"
>Turbo Miata STO #679
>
> If everything is headed your way,
> you're in the wrong lane.
>
> members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
>
>

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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>


If you are not pinging but the engine is overheating start with the
radiator. Also watch your antifreeze/water ratio and wire both your
fans to run all the time.

Sonny wrote:
>
> I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
> weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
>
> 1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> 2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> 3) Both? And why?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Later...
> Sonny & "Bonnie"
> Turbo Miata STO #679
>
> If everything is headed your way,
> you're in the wrong lane.
>
> members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/

--
Larry Alster

1991 "White Knight" CSP #99
1992 "Silver Bullet" EM #17 BEGI System IV+
1992 "Honey Bee"
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Mail From: "Ross Kuhns" <(email redacted)>


Depends on where you want to go...I'm running a 7psi Stage 1 with the larger
rad from an automatic, water wetter, high water mix, cooler thermostat, some
use of foam padding around the radiator, and have both the fans wired to
come on together. My temp guage doesn't budge anytime, track, summer,
whatever.

I'd go with the race radiator myself. If you ever go for full FM system,
you'll probably buy it anyways. Wouldn't an intercooler would mean higher
power, cooler intake temp, but offset by higher temps inside the engine?

You also run the risk of being at the potential off the stock clutch.


Ross
92 Yellow turbo



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Sonny" <(email redacted)>
Reply-To: "Sonny" <(email redacted)>
To: "Power List" <(email redacted)>
Subject: Turbo Upgrade
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:52:25 -0400


I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:

1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
3) Both? And why?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Later...
Sonny & "Bonnie"
Turbo Miata STO #679

If everything is headed your way,
you're in the wrong lane.

members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/


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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


Both, but if you have to choose one, the radiator. Save your engine!

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: Sonny <(email redacted)>
To: Power List <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: Turbo Upgrade


>
> I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
> weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
>
> 1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> 2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> 3) Both? And why?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Later...
> Sonny & "Bonnie"
> Turbo Miata STO #679
>
> If everything is headed your way,
> you're in the wrong lane.
>
> members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
>

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


Sonny,

Just for your benefit, the plastic stock radiators are known to split open
when pushed too hard, releasing all the engine coolant at high pressure
before you can react and turn the ignition off. This has the effect of
warping vital parts and rendering your engine useless for anything
automotive-related.

Would you like to know how I know this?

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
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"Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: Sonny <(email redacted)>
To: Power List <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: Turbo Upgrade


>
> I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
> weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
>
> 1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> 2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> 3) Both? And why?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Later...
> Sonny & "Bonnie"
> Turbo Miata STO #679
>
> If everything is headed your way,
> you're in the wrong lane.
>
> members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
>

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Mail From: (email redacted)



Both would be best.... The Intercooler would make the car faster @ 6 PSI.
The Aluminum race radiator has the Thermal capacity to really make a
difference.

Mark

>
>
> I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
> weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
>
> 1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> 2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> 3) Both? And why?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Later...
> Sonny & "Bonnie"
> Turbo Miata STO #679
>
> If everything is headed your way,
> you're in the wrong lane.
>
> members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
>

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Mail From: (email redacted)


Have to agree with Melsan this time... The Aluminum Race Radiator is a great
upgrade and definately has the bang for the buck... sure it does not make
you faster now... it makes you stay faster longer... which means more fun
for more time.

Mark

PS - Otherwise you end up buying a junkyard motor, only to realize that it
had more power than your original motor. ;)


>
>
> I agree with most of what you've listed here Jess, except for one thing. The
> radiator will do far more for improving engine cooling than the oil cooler.
> That should be at the top of the list and is likely to do more than all the
> other methods combined.
>
> Even at a very basic level, there is far more material flowing through a
> cooling system than an oil system, and the amount of heat it moves will be
> greater. Couple this with a much larger capacity radiator and you're cooling
> the engine in the most effective way possible. Even if someone doesn't want
> to spend the extra money, it's worth waiting a little longer (we're talking
> less than a $250 difference between the oil cooler and the race radiator).
>
> If I'm remembering my physics correctly water is also a much more efficient
> conveyor of heat than oil is, and besides that, a good grade of synthetic
> oil will stand up to a very high level of heat.
>
> As far as design efficiency goes, the cooling system was designed to COOL.
> The lubrication system was designed to LUBRICATE. Doesn't it make more sense
> to improve the efficiency of the COOLING system first? This will also have
> the benefit of acting as an oil cooler (cooler engine = cooler oil).
>
> Finally, there is the issue of all those extra high-pressure oil fittings.
> More places to spring a leak.
>
> FWIW
>
> Mel
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
> "Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jess Gypin <(email redacted)>
> To: Nathan Ramsey <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>;
> <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Turbo Upgrade
>
>
> >
> > From all of the information that I have read and the help that has been
> > soliceted here and on the other lists, here is a rundown of the
> suggestions
> > that I have gotten. I have an Aerodyne EC come Stage 1 at 5-6 psi and have
> > had some heating on warm days. No overheat yet, but it could.
> >
> > 1. Flush the radiator using the Prestone Heavy Duty Flush. Straightnen all
> > of the bent vanes on the radiator and make sure that all of the rocks,
> bugs,
> > bodies, birds and mother-in-laws are blasted out of the vanes. Then refill
> > the radiator with a 20-30 percent mix of antofreeze to distilled water
> > (optional regular water will work if you have good water). Add water
> wetter.
> >
> > 2. Jury is out on this, but some people have suggested making sure that
> the
> > splash pan and shroud are in the nose of the car. Also, some have
> suggested
> > removing the rubber seal at the back of the engine bay at the top of the
> > firewall.
> >
> > 3. If this proves to not tame the heating, install an oil cooler. The one
> > that most people have put on is the Moss. There are others that have
> gotten
> > bigger cores than the Moss 13 row core. I am installing one of these this
> > weekend.
> >
> > 4. Change the radiator. Some have tried the double core radiator and have
> > had better success. Most of the people that have tried both say that the
> FM
> > aluminum race radiator is the one to get if you are going to spend the
> > money.
> >
> > 5. Corky Bell and others in the know have said that adding the intercooler
> > will not significantly reduce the engine heating.
> >
> > Miatas run hot when pushed even without FI, and anything that you can do
> to
> > help lower the temp will help. I have had people tell me that at this
> > altitude in Colorado that even the NA cars that are in good shape will
> heat
> > due to the thin air. Hope this information helps.
> >
> > Jess
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Nathan Ramsey <(email redacted)>
> > To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Turbo Upgrade
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'd get the BEGI IC kit that comes with the system 4.whatever...the
> > > intercooled kit. See how that works. You'd also pick up some power and
> > > make the system more engine friendly (lower chance of detonation by
> > cooling
> > > the intake charge). I suspect by doing this, and watering down your
> > coolant
> > > mixture a bit you would not have too many problems...
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the
> hot
> > > >weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> > > >wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
> > > >
> > > >1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> > > >2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> > > >3) Both? And why?
> > > >
> > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >Later...
> > > >Sonny & "Bonnie"
> > > >Turbo Miata STO #679
> > > >
> > > > If everything is headed your way,
> > > > you're in the wrong lane.
> > > >
> > > > members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Mail From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>


>From all of the information that I have read and the help that has been
soliceted here and on the other lists, here is a rundown of the suggestions
that I have gotten. I have an Aerodyne EC come Stage 1 at 5-6 psi and have
had some heating on warm days. No overheat yet, but it could.

1. Flush the radiator using the Prestone Heavy Duty Flush. Straightnen all
of the bent vanes on the radiator and make sure that all of the rocks, bugs,
bodies, birds and mother-in-laws are blasted out of the vanes. Then refill
the radiator with a 20-30 percent mix of antofreeze to distilled water
(optional regular water will work if you have good water). Add water wetter.

2. Jury is out on this, but some people have suggested making sure that the
splash pan and shroud are in the nose of the car. Also, some have suggested
removing the rubber seal at the back of the engine bay at the top of the
firewall.

3. If this proves to not tame the heating, install an oil cooler. The one
that most people have put on is the Moss. There are others that have gotten
bigger cores than the Moss 13 row core. I am installing one of these this
weekend.

4. Change the radiator. Some have tried the double core radiator and have
had better success. Most of the people that have tried both say that the FM
aluminum race radiator is the one to get if you are going to spend the
money.

5. Corky Bell and others in the know have said that adding the intercooler
will not significantly reduce the engine heating.

Miatas run hot when pushed even without FI, and anything that you can do to
help lower the temp will help. I have had people tell me that at this
altitude in Colorado that even the NA cars that are in good shape will heat
due to the thin air. Hope this information helps.

Jess
----- Original Message -----
From: Nathan Ramsey <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Turbo Upgrade


>
> I'd get the BEGI IC kit that comes with the system 4.whatever...the
> intercooled kit. See how that works. You'd also pick up some power and
> make the system more engine friendly (lower chance of detonation by
cooling
> the intake charge). I suspect by doing this, and watering down your
coolant
> mixture a bit you would not have too many problems...
>
> Good luck!
>
> Nate
>
>
> >
> >I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the hot
> >weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> >wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
> >
> >1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> >2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> >3) Both? And why?
> >
> >Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Later...
> >Sonny & "Bonnie"
> >Turbo Miata STO #679
> >
> > If everything is headed your way,
> > you're in the wrong lane.
> >
> > members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at hotmail.com
>
>

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


I agree with most of what you've listed here Jess, except for one thing. The
radiator will do far more for improving engine cooling than the oil cooler.
That should be at the top of the list and is likely to do more than all the
other methods combined.

Even at a very basic level, there is far more material flowing through a
cooling system than an oil system, and the amount of heat it moves will be
greater. Couple this with a much larger capacity radiator and you're cooling
the engine in the most effective way possible. Even if someone doesn't want
to spend the extra money, it's worth waiting a little longer (we're talking
less than a $250 difference between the oil cooler and the race radiator).

If I'm remembering my physics correctly water is also a much more efficient
conveyor of heat than oil is, and besides that, a good grade of synthetic
oil will stand up to a very high level of heat.

As far as design efficiency goes, the cooling system was designed to COOL.
The lubrication system was designed to LUBRICATE. Doesn't it make more sense
to improve the efficiency of the COOLING system first? This will also have
the benefit of acting as an oil cooler (cooler engine = cooler oil).

Finally, there is the issue of all those extra high-pressure oil fittings.
More places to spring a leak.

FWIW

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: Jess Gypin <(email redacted)>
To: Nathan Ramsey <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>;
<(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Turbo Upgrade


>
> From all of the information that I have read and the help that has been
> soliceted here and on the other lists, here is a rundown of the
suggestions
> that I have gotten. I have an Aerodyne EC come Stage 1 at 5-6 psi and have
> had some heating on warm days. No overheat yet, but it could.
>
> 1. Flush the radiator using the Prestone Heavy Duty Flush. Straightnen all
> of the bent vanes on the radiator and make sure that all of the rocks,
bugs,
> bodies, birds and mother-in-laws are blasted out of the vanes. Then refill
> the radiator with a 20-30 percent mix of antofreeze to distilled water
> (optional regular water will work if you have good water). Add water
wetter.
>
> 2. Jury is out on this, but some people have suggested making sure that
the
> splash pan and shroud are in the nose of the car. Also, some have
suggested
> removing the rubber seal at the back of the engine bay at the top of the
> firewall.
>
> 3. If this proves to not tame the heating, install an oil cooler. The one
> that most people have put on is the Moss. There are others that have
gotten
> bigger cores than the Moss 13 row core. I am installing one of these this
> weekend.
>
> 4. Change the radiator. Some have tried the double core radiator and have
> had better success. Most of the people that have tried both say that the
FM
> aluminum race radiator is the one to get if you are going to spend the
> money.
>
> 5. Corky Bell and others in the know have said that adding the intercooler
> will not significantly reduce the engine heating.
>
> Miatas run hot when pushed even without FI, and anything that you can do
to
> help lower the temp will help. I have had people tell me that at this
> altitude in Colorado that even the NA cars that are in good shape will
heat
> due to the thin air. Hope this information helps.
>
> Jess
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nathan Ramsey <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Turbo Upgrade
>
>
> >
> > I'd get the BEGI IC kit that comes with the system 4.whatever...the
> > intercooled kit. See how that works. You'd also pick up some power and
> > make the system more engine friendly (lower chance of detonation by
> cooling
> > the intake charge). I suspect by doing this, and watering down your
> coolant
> > mixture a bit you would not have too many problems...
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Nate
> >
> >
> > >
> > >I have the Bell Engineering System I turbo running @ 6psi. With the
hot
> > >weather, I've been experiencing hotter than normal engine temps and am
> > >wondering what I should do but have a limited budget. Should I:
> > >
> > >1) Get the aluminum race radiator from Dlr Alt.
> > >2) Add an I/C -- but which one?
> > >3) Both? And why?
> > >
> > >Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >Later...
> > >Sonny & "Bonnie"
> > >Turbo Miata STO #679
> > >
> > > If everything is headed your way,
> > > you're in the wrong lane.
> > >
> > > members.bellatlantic.net/~sonny200/
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
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> >
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