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Mail From: "Denis Baldwin" <(email redacted)>


With all of the help I got on my performance inquiry from this morning, I am
even more curious. Getting a Miata is a definate now, but I was wondering
which is better for the Miata, turbo charge or supercharge? I'm familiar
with how turbos work with all of my work with DSMs, but was wondering how
superchargers work in comparison. Which is easier to put on? Are they both
bolt on? Price differences? Which produces more power? any precautions? I
would like to make the Miata quick, and handle like an autobahn racer, but I
don't want to spend twice what I paid for the car in mods (like I did with
the Laser). ideas?

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Microsoft Certified Professional
(email redacted)
denisbaldwin.com

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Turbocharge... The current batch of superchargers are not quite up to snuff
in comparision to the Turbos available...

It's kinda like comparing Windows NT to Linux... The dark side is the easy
path with only 4 hours of labor.... turbo kits require a bit more work to
install but generally kick the snot out of the current crop of
superchargers.

Mark


> With all of the help I got on my performance inquiry from this morning, I am
> even more curious. Getting a Miata is a definate now, but I was wondering
> which is better for the Miata, turbo charge or supercharge? I'm familiar
> with how turbos work with all of my work with DSMs, but was wondering how
> superchargers work in comparison. Which is easier to put on? Are they both
> bolt on? Price differences? Which produces more power? any precautions? I
> would like to make the Miata quick, and handle like an autobahn racer, but I
> don't want to spend twice what I paid for the car in mods (like I did with
> the Laser). ideas?
>
> Denis
>
> Denis A. Baldwin
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> (email redacted)
> denisbaldwin.com
>

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TURBO!!!
that is the ONLY thing you have to worry about........there are lots of kits
available that span from a $1200 GReddy kit(about 140hp) to a $3200 FMIII
kit(about 250)
the thing about a supercharger is that in the end the turbo will provail with
a greater potential for power......installation is about the same for both a
turbo and supercharger(turbo being a little more difficult but well worth it)
the fastest supercharged miata i've heard of is one from Texas that runs 13's
the fastest turbo miata..........there are 3(hopefully soon to be 4) in the
11's
turbo's are more efficient and much cheaper to repair and much more easy to
upgrade.......all in all..........go with the TURBO

Jared
96 Black
Ausitn,Tx

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Mail From: Beau Randall <(email redacted)>


I only wish a FM-III was $3200... really, this list should have a simple
FAQ to answer these kind of questions - seems every month or two a new
guy shows up and starts this thread all over again. Gets pretty old
after a couple years. - Beau

--- (email redacted) wrote:
>
> TURBO!!!
> that is the ONLY thing you have to worry about........there are lots of kits
> available that span from a $1200 GReddy kit(about 140hp) to a $3200 FMIII
> kit(about 250)
> the thing about a supercharger is that in the end the turbo will provail with
> a greater potential for power......installation is about the same for both a
> turbo and supercharger(turbo being a little more difficult but well worth it)
> the fastest supercharged miata i've heard of is one from Texas that runs 13's
> the fastest turbo miata..........there are 3(hopefully soon to be 4) in the
> 11's
> turbo's are more efficient and much cheaper to repair and much more easy to
> upgrade.......all in all..........go with the TURBO
>
> Jared
> 96 Black
> Ausitn,Tx
>
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Beau, give the guy a break. If no one new ever showed up, this list would
get kind of stale. One suggestion for those new to Miata FI issues - it
pays to read this list for a period of time, and perform some educated
searches of the archives to find information. I did this for at least a
couple of months last summer before I decided to turbo my 99. Just my two
cents.

Ron Petrich

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It's not as ugly as some of the debates have gotten.

Mark

>
>
> I only wish a FM-III was $3200... really, this list should have a simple
> FAQ to answer these kind of questions - seems every month or two a new
> guy shows up and starts this thread all over again. Gets pretty old
> after a couple years. - Beau
>
> --- (email redacted) wrote:
> >
> > TURBO!!!
> > that is the ONLY thing you have to worry about........there are lots of kits
> > available that span from a $1200 GReddy kit(about 140hp) to a $3200 FMIII
> > kit(about 250)
> > the thing about a supercharger is that in the end the turbo will provail with
> > a greater potential for power......installation is about the same for both a
> > turbo and supercharger(turbo being a little more difficult but well worth it)
> > the fastest supercharged miata i've heard of is one from Texas that runs 13's
> > the fastest turbo miata..........there are 3(hopefully soon to be 4) in the
> > 11's
> > turbo's are more efficient and much cheaper to repair and much more easy to
> > upgrade.......all in all..........go with the TURBO
> >
> > Jared
> > 96 Black
> > Ausitn,Tx
> >
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Mail From: "Marcel Rivet" <(email redacted)>


I'll second that and add that reading a few books will also help. Miata
Performance Handbook and Maximum Boost are my suggestions.

Marcel

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Petrich <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?


>
> Beau, give the guy a break. If no one new ever showed up, this list would
> get kind of stale. One suggestion for those new to Miata FI issues - it
> pays to read this list for a period of time, and perform some educated
> searches of the archives to find information. I did this for at least a
> couple of months last summer before I decided to turbo my 99. Just my two
> cents.
>
> Ron Petrich
>

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I will also add that I, in my search for info on Greddy turbos, sat down for
5 HOURS and read the archives...really a GREAT resource...I found tons of
great info. Really great search capabilities on the archives.

Nate


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From: Ron Petrich <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?


>
> Beau, give the guy a break. If no one new ever showed up, this list would
> get kind of stale. One suggestion for those new to Miata FI issues - it
> pays to read this list for a period of time, and perform some educated
> searches of the archives to find information. I did this for at least a
> couple of months last summer before I decided to turbo my 99. Just my two
> cents.
>
> Ron Petrich
>

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Mail From: "Jyri J. Virkki" <(email redacted)>


Once upon a time Beau Randall wrote:
>
>
> I only wish a FM-III was $3200... really, this list should have a simple
> FAQ to answer these kind of questions - seems every month or two a new

There are a number of FAQ's, one of which is the forced induction page
under the garage section of miata.net:

miata.net/garage/turbos.html

... which, if you read it, you'll see it is very out of date. I used
to maintain it but I haven't updated it in about three years (not sure
why it shows 11/99 update), and the Miata turbo scene has seen
tremendous change in that time.

I don't really have time to update it anymore, but more importantly,
I've lost touch with what is the latest and greatest in development so
I'm not qualified to write it anymore (I don't personally have a turbo
nor any plans to get one - I wrote the page back when I was
researching my options).

If anyone who knows about all the latest options wants to volunteer
taking over the maintenance of this page, I'd love to see that
happen. Let me and Gary at miata.net know and go for it!



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On 18 Jan 00, at 19:47, Denis Baldwin wrote:
I would like to make the
> Miata quick, and handle like an autobahn racer, but I don't want to
> spend twice what I paid for the car in mods (like I did with the
> Laser). ideas?
....
Stay NA.

Werner

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Mail From: Frank Mowry <(email redacted)>


Werner,
He said quick! Besides the few high dollar, high compression Miatas out
there, any with simple bolt-ons could hardly be considered quick. And
since Denis owns a modified turbo Laser, trust me when I tell you he'll
be disappointed with an NA Miata from a quickness standpoint.

Frank

Werner Cassel wrote:

> On 18 Jan 00, at 19:47, Denis Baldwin wrote:
> I would like to make the
> > Miata quick, and handle like an autobahn racer, but I don't want to
> > spend twice what I paid for the car in mods (like I did with the
> > Laser). ideas?
> ....
> Stay NA.
>
> Werner

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On 19 Jan 00, at 7:50, Frank Mowry wrote:

>
> Werner,
> He said quick! Besides the few high dollar, high compression Miatas
> out there, any with simple bolt-ons could hardly be considered quick.
> And since Denis owns a modified turbo Laser, trust me when I tell you
> he'll be disappointed with an NA Miata from a quickness standpoint.
.....
;-)
Sorry for starting this discussion again, but +130 mph is fairly quick
to me. He talked about "Autobahn racer", right?
I also still have to meet a Miata that kept up with me in the twisties,
but I know you guys have other definitions of "quick", so I´ll keep my
mouth shut on this issue.
:)

Werner

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I think you are misinterpreting quick for fast. Quickness is the amount of
time it takes to for the vehickle to achieve a set speed (0-60mph for
example). Fast would be measured as a top speed (130mph). A car can be
geared to have a high top speed but no low end torque, thus it isn not
quick, but can be considered fast. I'd imagine the 200mph Miata won't be
the quickest out there, but will be the fastest. Remember my Miata was NA
before I turboed it and it was about as unquick as any car I've owned.

Frank

Werner Cassel wrote:

> On 19 Jan 00, at 7:50, Frank Mowry wrote:
>
> >
> > Werner,
> > He said quick! Besides the few high dollar, high compression Miatas
> > out there, any with simple bolt-ons could hardly be considered quick.
> > And since Denis owns a modified turbo Laser, trust me when I tell you
> > he'll be disappointed with an NA Miata from a quickness standpoint.
> .....
> ;-)
> Sorry for starting this discussion again, but +130 mph is fairly quick
> to me. He talked about "Autobahn racer", right?
> I also still have to meet a Miata that kept up with me in the twisties,
> but I know you guys have other definitions of "quick", so I´ll keep my
> mouth shut on this issue.
> :)
>
> Werner

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--- (email redacted) wrote:
> TURBO!!! that is the ONLY thing you have to worry
> about........there are lots of kits
> available that span from a $1200 GReddy kit(about
> 140hp) to a $3200 FMIII kit(about 250)

I just checked the Dealer Alt web page. The FMIII is
$5300, not $3200.

> the thing about a supercharger is that in the end
> the turbo will provail with a greater potential for
> power......

But for someone who is only looking for around 225 hp,
the supercharger is an easier way to go.

> installation is about the same for both

Not according to what I've read.

> the fastest supercharged miata i've heard of is one
> from Texas that runs 13's

A moot point if you're not into drag racing...


=====
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Atlanta, GA - USA
My car goes Zoom Zoom.
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Cogito Ergo Zoom!
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Mail From: "Denis Baldwin" <(email redacted)>


hehe.. excellent comparison. Being a Linux and a Turbo advocate for years,
I'm agreeing 100%.

Denis

Denis A. Baldwin
Microsoft Certified Professional
(email redacted)
denisbaldwin.com

: Turbocharge... The current batch of superchargers are not quite up to
snuff
: in comparision to the Turbos available...
:
: It's kinda like comparing Windows NT to Linux... The dark side is the easy
: path with only 4 hours of labor.... turbo kits require a bit more work to
: install but generally kick the snot out of the current crop of
: superchargers.

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


>A moot point if you're not into drag racing...

In what way is that a moot point? When used as a comparison of a car's
acceleration capabilities, this is an ideal measure to use.

Michael, I can tell you'd like support for your decision to go for a
Sebring. I do wish you well and hope you have as much enjoyment from your
upgrade as I have from mine. It may be that you will be one of Jackson's
satisfied customers.

There must be some out there . . .

Mel
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"Wheezy" black 96 FMII (262 hp, 243 ft/lb) vrrooommmm


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Opalak <(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>; (email redacted)
<(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?


>
>--- (email redacted) wrote:
>> TURBO!!! that is the ONLY thing you have to worry
>> about........there are lots of kits
>> available that span from a $1200 GReddy kit(about
>> 140hp) to a $3200 FMIII kit(about 250)
>
>I just checked the Dealer Alt web page. The FMIII is
>$5300, not $3200.
>
>> the thing about a supercharger is that in the end
>> the turbo will provail with a greater potential for
>> power......
>
>But for someone who is only looking for around 225 hp,
>the supercharger is an easier way to go.
>
>> installation is about the same for both
>
>Not according to what I've read.
>
>> the fastest supercharged miata i've heard of is one
>> from Texas that runs 13's
>
>A moot point if you're not into drag racing...
>
>
>=====
>Michael Opalak
>Atlanta, GA - USA
>My car goes Zoom Zoom.
>'99PEP 215/40-16A520 H&R Blstn FMSwy Voodoo! HDHC MCA PMC TGP+8 RA+3 DG+4
TS+!
>Cogito Ergo Zoom!
>Lighter is Better!
>If it doesn't hurt anyone else, it shouldn't be illegal. You can't pass
laws to protect people from their own stupidity.
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Michael Opalak wrote:
>
> --- (email redacted) wrote:
> > TURBO!!! that is the ONLY thing you have to worry
> > about........there are lots of kits
> > available that span from a $1200 GReddy kit(about
> > 140hp) to a $3200 FMIII kit(about 250)
>
> I just checked the Dealer Alt web page. The FMIII is
> $5300, not $3200.

$3400 bucks for a System IV that fits a 99. Should make more HP than
the Sebring and is upgradable.

But you don't need an FM III to get into the 220 HP range.
>
> > the thing about a supercharger is that in the end
> > the turbo will provail with a greater potential for
> > power......
>
> But for someone who is only looking for around 225 hp,
> the supercharger is an easier way to go.

Disagree. You probably can get an Autorotor to get to those numbers but
I doubt you will EVER get a Sebring to that kind of number.
>
> > installation is about the same for both
>
> Not according to what I've read.

The Sebring is probably easier to install provided you don't end up with
belt alignment trouble. Some people seem to chase this problem for
quite awhile and others don't have it at all.
>
Again, check Bill's dyno charts. The highest Sebring on a 1.6 with many
mods is pulling less than 180 HP. Don't think your going to get another
45 hp just because you have a 1.8.
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1992 "Honey Bee"

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In a message dated 1/19/00 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, (email redacted)
writes:

<< > But for someone who is only looking for around 225 hp,
> the supercharger is an easier way to go.

Disagree. You probably can get an Autorotor to get to those numbers but
I doubt you will EVER get a Sebring to that kind of number. >>


Yep! You can get in excess of 240 rwhp out of the larger Autorotor in a
1.6....:) How much you will spend to do that is another matter.....and then
there is the noise issue...and the complexity of the install.....and the care
needed to resist overspinning the bearings....and the COMPLETE lack of
support from Opcon....but it sure was fun!

Gibb
92 1.8 TEC-II, who's now making power the "old fashioned" way....

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Gibb,
How much boost was that at??? The noise is well, I think it's
awesome... not everyone would agree though, and it is certainly not subtle.

Mark

>
>
> In a message dated 1/19/00 10:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, (email redacted)
> writes:
>
> << > But for someone who is only looking for around 225 hp,
> > the supercharger is an easier way to go.
>
> Disagree. You probably can get an Autorotor to get to those numbers but
> I doubt you will EVER get a Sebring to that kind of number. >>
>
>
> Yep! You can get in excess of 240 rwhp out of the larger Autorotor in a
> 1.6....:) How much you will spend to do that is another matter.....and then
> there is the noise issue...and the complexity of the install.....and the care
> needed to resist overspinning the bearings....and the COMPLETE lack of
> support from Opcon....but it sure was fun!
>
> Gibb
> 92 1.8 TEC-II, who's now making power the "old fashioned" way....
>

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In a message dated 1/19/00 11:21:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<<
Gibb,
How much boost was that at??? The noise is well, I think it's
awesome... not everyone would agree though, and it is certainly not subtle.

Mark >>


15.5 psi with the large compressor, large intercooler, FM ECU, FM Turbo
exhaust,and Boig headers.

Gibb

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So you have everything you need to know:
The GReddy is only oil cooled, not water cooled like an FM.
The GReedy is TD04 only. No optional Garret BB turbos and associated
T-Bird mods like you can do to an FM.
The ... does not have an optional larger downpipe available.
The ... has a cheaper manifold with a 90degree bend. FM is straight out.
The... puts the turbo closer to the hood. You have to make your own heat
shield.
The... has absolutely no customer support.
The Greddy is about $600 less than a comparable FM system but I'd say that
is money well spent so you have more upggrade options. I'd often thought
of selling my GReddy in order to get a BB FM system.

That's my opinion.

Ralph
'92 Yellow GReddy with Bell intercooler.

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In a message dated 1/19/00 11:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<< The GReddy is only oil cooled, not water cooled like an FM. >>
I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge. Could
this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?

Emmett

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That could have a lot to do with it. Turbo's get awfully hot... I think that
the stock radiator is really not up to the task though. Especially at high
boost pressures where cylinder head temps get higher as well. There is a lot
more heat to shed at 15 PSI than at 7 PSI, regardless of the turbo being
cooled by the water jacket.

Mark



>
>
> In a message dated 1/19/00 11:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> << The GReddy is only oil cooled, not water cooled like an FM. >>
> I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
> when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge. Could
> this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?
>
> Emmett
>

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Mail From: Beau Randall <(email redacted)>


Thanks Jyri, I was going to mention your FAQ, but like you said
it's a bit out of date.

I will gladly take over the page if it's alright with everyone
else, of course verifying updates through this list. - Beau

--- "Jyri J. Virkki" <(email redacted)> wrote:
>
> Once upon a time Beau Randall wrote:
> >
> >
> > I only wish a FM-III was $3200... really, this list should have a simple
> > FAQ to answer these kind of questions - seems every month or two a new
>
> There are a number of FAQ's, one of which is the forced induction page
> under the garage section of miata.net:
>
> miata.net/garage/turbos.html
>
> ... which, if you read it, you'll see it is very out of date. I used
> to maintain it but I haven't updated it in about three years (not sure
> why it shows 11/99 update), and the Miata turbo scene has seen
> tremendous change in that time.
>
> I don't really have time to update it anymore, but more importantly,
> I've lost touch with what is the latest and greatest in development so
> I'm not qualified to write it anymore (I don't personally have a turbo
> nor any plans to get one - I wrote the page back when I was
> researching my options).
>
> If anyone who knows about all the latest options wants to volunteer
> taking over the maintenance of this page, I'd love to see that
> happen. Let me and Gary at miata.net know and go for it!
>
>
>
> --
> Jyri J. Virkki - Santa Cruz, California - Linux: The Choice of a GNU Generation
>
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Perhaps. But then they have the optino of adding a cool little radiator
for the turbo. Pesonnaly I'd rather have a water cooled turbo. So much
so that I'm going to email Bill for a quote on an FM system.

Ralph


On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 (email redacted) wrote:

> In a message dated 1/19/00 11:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> << The GReddy is only oil cooled, not water cooled like an FM. >>
> I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
> when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge. Could
> this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?
>
> Emmett
>

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On 1/19/00 Emmett wrote:

>I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
>when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge.
Could
>this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?


Bingo. Good observation. It is undoubtedly related. IMO it's better to run
it this way and deal with getting the coolant cooler than to risk the life
of the turbo. Of course since I didn't deal with the coolant issue with my
first engine, I'm now on my second engine (and a bit wiser).

The SPAL fans go in before our short New England season starts.

Mel
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"Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>; (email redacted)
<(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?


>
>In a message dated 1/19/00 11:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
>(email redacted) writes:
>
><< The GReddy is only oil cooled, not water cooled like an FM. >>
>I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
>when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge.
Could
>this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?
>
> Emmett

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I love a volunteer! You get my vote, Beau.

Mel
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-----Original Message-----
From: Beau Randall <(email redacted)>
To: Jyri J. Virkki <(email redacted)>
Cc: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?


>
>Thanks Jyri, I was going to mention your FAQ, but like you said
>it's a bit out of date.
>
>I will gladly take over the page if it's alright with everyone
>else, of course verifying updates through this list. - Beau
>
>--- "Jyri J. Virkki" <(email redacted)> wrote:
>>
>> Once upon a time Beau Randall wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I only wish a FM-III was $3200... really, this list should have a
simple
>> > FAQ to answer these kind of questions - seems every month or two a new
>>
>> There are a number of FAQ's, one of which is the forced induction page
>> under the garage section of miata.net:
>>
>> miata.net/garage/turbos.html
>>
>> ... which, if you read it, you'll see it is very out of date. I used
>> to maintain it but I haven't updated it in about three years (not sure
>> why it shows 11/99 update), and the Miata turbo scene has seen
>> tremendous change in that time.
>>
>> I don't really have time to update it anymore, but more importantly,
>> I've lost touch with what is the latest and greatest in development so
>> I'm not qualified to write it anymore (I don't personally have a turbo
>> nor any plans to get one - I wrote the page back when I was
>> researching my options).
>>
>> If anyone who knows about all the latest options wants to volunteer
>> taking over the maintenance of this page, I'd love to see that
>> happen. Let me and Gary at miata.net know and go for it!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jyri J. Virkki - Santa Cruz, California - Linux: The Choice of a GNU
Generation
>>
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How many FMII owners have blown engines due to over heating? How many have
overheating problems? Seems to me that the aluminum race radiator should be
part of the kit. This is one major minus to the FMII and the radiator is $415
plus install. I know that this is not a problem limited to warm climates
because if I remember correctly Mel lives in the northwest and blew his motor
due to overheating problems.

Emmett

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I don't know about it being necessary. I've had my FM2 for two years and
have NEVER seen the gauge climb past the 3/4 mark... including spirited
running in the 90 plus summer days here in Ohio.

The only mod I have made to the cooling system is to add Water Wetter and I
see no reason to go any further. If I was going to track the car, I'd
probably change my opinion, but for street use in a non-Texas environment,
the stocker is capable.

Todd

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 8:04 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Fwd: turbo or supercharge?


How many FMII owners have blown engines due to over heating? How many have
overheating problems? Seems to me that the aluminum race radiator should be
part of the kit. This is one major minus to the FMII and the radiator is
$415
plus install. I know that this is not a problem limited to warm climates
because if I remember correctly Mel lives in the northwest and blew his
motor
due to overheating problems.

Emmett

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Mail From: Beau Randall <(email redacted)>


Mel was racing on a track when he warped his head. Do people really
overheat from daily driving? My temps never climb above 100C, even
on 90 degree days, and rarely go above 96C. I haven't done squat
to the cooling system, not even a new rad cap or watter wetter, just
a 70/30 water/antifreeze mix. - Beau

--- (email redacted) wrote:
> How many FMII owners have blown engines due to over heating? How many have
> overheating problems? Seems to me that the aluminum race radiator should be
> part of the kit. This is one major minus to the FMII and the radiator is $415
> plus install. I know that this is not a problem limited to warm climates
> because if I remember correctly Mel lives in the northwest and blew his motor
> due to overheating problems.
>
> Emmett
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:35:26 -0500
> Reply-to: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
>
>
> On 1/19/00 Emmett wrote:
>
> >I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
> >when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge.
> Could
> >this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?
>
>
> Bingo. Good observation. It is undoubtedly related. IMO it's better to run
> it this way and deal with getting the coolant cooler than to risk the life
> of the turbo. Of course since I didn't deal with the coolant issue with my
> first engine, I'm now on my second engine (and a bit wiser).
>
> The SPAL fans go in before our short New England season starts.
>
> Mel
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
> "Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>
> To: (email redacted) <(email redacted)>; (email redacted)
> <(email redacted)>
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: turbo or supercharge?
>
>
> >
> >In a message dated 1/19/00 11:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
> >(email redacted) writes:
> >
> ><< The GReddy is only oil cooled, not water cooled like an FM. >>
> >I've always wondered why so many FM owners have problems with overheating
> >when my car has never even crossed the center of the engine temp gauge.
> Could
> >this be related to the coolant running through the FM turbo?
> >
> > Emmett
>
>
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