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Mail From: "gfrazier" <(email redacted)>

Ahh..the feeling one gets when the blue lights come on behind you on the =
interstate.....the sinking, oh my god find me a rock to hide under =
feeling.

Helping a local fella install his greddy and we ended up working late =
tonight...didnt finish so I drove him home at midnight. On my way home =
the traffic was very light on the interstate and its a wonderful cool =
night, 60 degrees and I had a little race gas left in the tank..For the =
most part I was a good girl and drove at the speed limit *almost* all =
the way home. A few cars merged on in the distance behind me but nothing =
special ...and being dark I didnt notice one of them had lights on top.

I had wide open four lane interstate in front of me and I decided to =
have one last go at the boost before my exit...punched it at 60 and was =
at 110 before you could say "license and registration". The car pulled =
like an ox on steriods, the J&S didn't light up a bit, and my smile =
could not have been bigger....then the lights came on.

Fitting for the situation I was faintly aware in my panic stupor as I =
reached for my insurance card that REM's "end of the world as we know =
it" was playing on the radio.....
Johnny law walks up and asks for my drivers license which I hand over, =
he's being a smartass to me ( which I deserved fully) saying " I guess =
you thought you were gonna get by with someting back there". I reached =
for my insurance card and he says "where do you work miss tipton"?" I =
told him and he say's "you used to be the helicopter traffic woman for =
Fox 41 TV...you know better than to be speeding like that". Of course I =
say " oh yes sir, I am VERY sorry....I *just* installed this turbo and =
sometimes it gets a little too fast too quick" ;-I =20
So he says " Against my better judgement I am going to let you go with a =
warning...keep this behavior to the track". At this point I wanted to =
scream Happy Happy Joy Joy!!! but I kept my senses and just thanked him =
profusely. Dear God I have never been so scared in all my life! I have =
beed pulled over and given warnings before but NEVER at 110mph.....
=20
So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even =
though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a big =
ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve myself to =
staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more roadcourse =
events...Putnam Park anyone?

J

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>

Great story, Jenn. Really glad you got out of it unscathed. I guess it =
didn't hurt to have a *little* bit of celebrity status (not to take =
anything away from your other charms). Around here 110 mph would =
*definitely* have landed you in the back of the cruiser with the cuffs =
on, but then this *is* the 4th Reich. My friend Ron, who owns a BMW 535 =
and is in all respects a conservative, law-abiding family man says he =
would never bother even stopping at those speeds. Did you ever consider =
making a dash for it? On almost every highway trip I make I reach well =
in excess of 125 mph for at least one brief stretch, but these days I =
tend to keep it within 10 mph of the limit for the bulk of the trip. As =
I sense you do *most* of the time, I am suspicious of EVERY car behind =
me at night.

Last night I got the opportunity teach show a kid in a twin turbo =
Stealth what REAL power is. Some brief moments of fun, but mostly =
ho-hum.

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96/97 FMII/III vrrooommmm
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: gfrazier=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:01 AM
Subject: Pulled Over at 110mph..in a 55 zone.


Ahh..the feeling one gets when the blue lights come on behind you on =
the interstate.....the sinking, oh my god find me a rock to hide under =
feeling.
=20
Helping a local fella install his greddy and we ended up working late =
tonight...didnt finish so I drove him home at midnight. On my way home =
the traffic was very light on the interstate and its a wonderful cool =
night, 60 degrees and I had a little race gas left in the tank..For the =
most part I was a good girl and drove at the speed limit *almost* all =
the way home. A few cars merged on in the distance behind me but nothing =
special ...and being dark I didnt notice one of them had lights on top.
=20
I had wide open four lane interstate in front of me and I decided to =
have one last go at the boost before my exit...punched it at 60 and was =
at 110 before you could say "license and registration". The car pulled =
like an ox on steriods, the J&S didn't light up a bit, and my smile =
could not have been bigger....then the lights came on.
=20
Fitting for the situation I was faintly aware in my panic stupor as I =
reached for my insurance card that REM's "end of the world as we know =
it" was playing on the radio.....
Johnny law walks up and asks for my drivers license which I hand over, =
he's being a smartass to me ( which I deserved fully) saying " I guess =
you thought you were gonna get by with someting back there". I reached =
for my insurance card and he says "where do you work miss tipton"?" I =
told him and he say's "you used to be the helicopter traffic woman for =
Fox 41 TV...you know better than to be speeding like that". Of course I =
say " oh yes sir, I am VERY sorry....I *just* installed this turbo and =
sometimes it gets a little too fast too quick" ;-I =20
So he says " Against my better judgement I am going to let you go with =
a warning...keep this behavior to the track". At this point I wanted to =
scream Happy Happy Joy Joy!!! but I kept my senses and just thanked him =
profusely. Dear God I have never been so scared in all my life! I have =
beed pulled over and given warnings before but NEVER at 110mph.....
=20
So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even =
though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a big =
ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve myself to =
staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more roadcourse =
events...Putnam Park anyone?
=20
J

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Mail From: "gfrazier" <(email redacted)>

I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I =
usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.=20
This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool night, =
I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I went for =
it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up on the =
speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went. Boy it =
felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110 for more =
than a few seconds but that was enough :(

I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me =
and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away and =
none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I try to =
distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape and hue).
I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the waters =
anytime soon.=20

As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game when =
it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down to =
it.....I am a real baby.
I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so =
when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves. =
Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the =
glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt a =
little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was nothing =
I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes sir, no =
sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ ) =20

I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and clyde =
gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even attempt =
to outrun a police officer.=20

J

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Mail From: (email redacted)




Having NEVER been given a warning, Jenn's little stunt reminded me fondly of
one of my stupid driving tricks from years past... I was 21 and I had an old
camaro with an LT1 motor in it... I pulled out in front of a car and
accellerated briskly to avoid any interaction with the other car... Well the
other guy sped up behind me and began to tailgate.... Here's where I get
stupid.. I speed up even more (this is a 35 MPH zone that is 4 lanes wide
and has nothing around for miles.) and enter a nice wide sweeping turn at 90
MPH. Upon exiting the turn I speed up to 105 MPH and leave the car following
in the dust.

Well I get up to the traffic light down the road and I look back to see
where that chump I just dusted off is... He's going awfully fast. Hmmmm
those look like chrysler head lights... awwww shit... please god... don't
let him have a light bar. As he pulls in behind me, sure enough, there's the
light bar. When the light turns green, I get the flashing lights.

He was actually a nice guy, because he could have wrote me for 105 in a 35,
but instead wrote me for 55 in a 35. Remarked about how fast the car was by
stating, "You just walked away from me in the turn, I could not keep up with
you." I did not end up in the back of the cruiser and I pleaded the ticket
down to an obstructed rearview mirror.


Mark


> Ahh..the feeling one gets when the blue lights come on behind you on the =
> interstate.....the sinking, oh my god find me a rock to hide under =
> feeling.
>
> beed pulled over and given warnings before but NEVER at 110mph.....
>
> So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even =
> though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a big =
> ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve myself to =
> staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more roadcourse =
> events...Putnam Park anyone?
>
> J
>

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Mail From: Eric Vaillancourt <(email redacted)>


Jenn,

Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
were going.

I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
really going. (135+)

As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
reading this. ;-)

Eric

> gfrazier wrote:
>
> I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
>
> I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> and hue).
> I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> waters anytime soon.
>
> As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> to it.....I am a real baby.
> I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
>
> I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> attempt to outrun a police officer.
>
> J

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Mail From: John Suchak <(email redacted)>


I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
officer is parked.

John



Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
>
> Jenn,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> were going.
>
> I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> really going. (135+)
>
> As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> reading this. ;-)
>
> Eric
>
> > gfrazier wrote:
> >
> > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> >
> > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > and hue).
> > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > waters anytime soon.
> >
> > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> >
> > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> >
> > J

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


Oh yes, of course, my figures as stated are in KPH too (including, and
especially the few times I *mistakenly* stated "145+ on the Mass Pike" -
although the figures I used then were probably something more like
decameters per hour, a commonly used form of speed measurement). Glad you
reminded me to say that, Eric. I coulda got in trouble.

>>+^ ]
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96/97 FMII/III vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Vaillancourt" <(email redacted)>
To: "gfrazier" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pulled Over at 110mph..in a 55 zone.


> Jenn,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> were going.
>
> I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> really going. (135+)
>
> As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> reading this. ;-)
>
> Eric
>
> > gfrazier wrote:
> >
> > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> >
> > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > and hue).
> > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > waters anytime soon.
> >
> > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> >
> > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> >
> > J
>

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Mail From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>

A hard-driving, speed-going, former helicopter traffic woman, who likes to
play with cars and break stuff...

What more could a man ask for?

Todd



-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of gfrazier
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:01 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Pulled Over at 110mph..in a 55 zone.


Ahh..the feeling one gets when the blue lights come on behind you on the
interstate.....the sinking, oh my god find me a rock to hide under feeling.

Helping a local fella install his greddy and we ended up working late
tonight...didnt finish so I drove him home at midnight. On my way home the
traffic was very light on the interstate and its a wonderful cool night, 60
degrees and I had a little race gas left in the tank..For the most part I
was a good girl and drove at the speed limit *almost* all the way home. A
few cars merged on in the distance behind me but nothing special ...and
being dark I didnt notice one of them had lights on top.

I had wide open four lane interstate in front of me and I decided to have
one last go at the boost before my exit...punched it at 60 and was at 110
before you could say "license and registration". The car pulled like an ox
on steriods, the J&S didn't light up a bit, and my smile could not have been
bigger....then the lights came on.

Fitting for the situation I was faintly aware in my panic stupor as I
reached for my insurance card that REM's "end of the world as we know it"
was playing on the radio.....
Johnny law walks up and asks for my drivers license which I hand over,
he's being a smartass to me ( which I deserved fully) saying " I guess you
thought you were gonna get by with someting back there". I reached for my
insurance card and he says "where do you work miss tipton"?" I told him and
he say's "you used to be the helicopter traffic woman for Fox 41 TV...you
know better than to be speeding like that". Of course I say " oh yes sir, I
am VERY sorry....I *just* installed this turbo and sometimes it gets a
little too fast too quick" ;-I
So he says " Against my better judgement I am going to let you go with a
warning...keep this behavior to the track". At this point I wanted to
scream Happy Happy Joy Joy!!! but I kept my senses and just thanked him
profusely. Dear God I have never been so scared in all my life! I have beed
pulled over and given warnings before but NEVER at 110mph.....

So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even
though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a big
ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve myself to
staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more roadcourse
events...Putnam Park anyone?

J

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Mail From: Eric Vaillancourt <(email redacted)>


Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.

Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
presents a much greater target with a stronger return.

Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.

Eric
John Suchak wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> officer is parked.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> >
> > Jenn,
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > were going.
> >
> > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > really going. (135+)
> >
> > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > reading this. ;-)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > > gfrazier wrote:
> > >
> > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > >
> > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > and hue).
> > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > waters anytime soon.
> > >
> > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > >
> > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > >
> > > J

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Mail From: John Suchak <(email redacted)>


Call me a slave to logic, but I still disagree..

How could the radar be capable of determining the speed of an oncoming
vehicle unless it knows how fast it is going itself?!?!? If your
assertion is true, then when a policeman and I are going in opposite
directions at 60mph on a highway his radar would read 120 MPH... (Our
"closing speed"..) As I stated before, a portable "hand-held" radar gun
might behave that way, (which is why they aren't used while under way),
but I'm nearly certain that the "permanently mounted" units are
connected to the cruiser's speed sensor and can clock you coming or
going...

I've sent an e-mail to the publisher of "Ask-A-Cop.com"
(users.firstva.com/askacop/) regarding this subject and will post
his reply here.

regards,

John



Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
>
> Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
>
> Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
>
> Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
>
> Eric
> John Suchak wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > officer is parked.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > >
> > > Jenn,
> > >
> > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > were going.
> > >
> > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > really going. (135+)
> > >
> > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > reading this. ;-)
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > >
> > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > and hue).
> > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > >
> > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > >
> > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > >
> > > > J





Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
>
> Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
>
> Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
>
> Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
>
> Eric
> John Suchak wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > officer is parked.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > >
> > > Jenn,
> > >
> > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > were going.
> > >
> > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > really going. (135+)
> > >
> > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > reading this. ;-)
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > >
> > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > and hue).
> > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > >
> > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > >
> > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > >
> > > > J

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For your reading enjoyment:

copradar.com/preview/chapt1/ch1d1.html

There it is, in the first paragraph.

John



John Suchak wrote:
>
> Call me a slave to logic, but I still disagree..
>
> How could the radar be capable of determining the speed of an oncoming
> vehicle unless it knows how fast it is going itself?!?!? If your
> assertion is true, then when a policeman and I are going in opposite
> directions at 60mph on a highway his radar would read 120 MPH... (Our
> "closing speed"..) As I stated before, a portable "hand-held" radar gun
> might behave that way, (which is why they aren't used while under way),
> but I'm nearly certain that the "permanently mounted" units are
> connected to the cruiser's speed sensor and can clock you coming or
> going...
>
> I've sent an e-mail to the publisher of "Ask-A-Cop.com"
> (users.firstva.com/askacop/) regarding this subject and will post
> his reply here.
>
> regards,
>
> John
>
> Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> >
> > Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> > differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> > This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> > you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> > get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> > Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
> >
> > Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> > direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> > presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
> >
> > Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> > direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> > accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> > come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> > that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> > get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> > tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
> >
> > Eric
> > John Suchak wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > > officer is parked.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jenn,
> > > >
> > > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > > were going.
> > > >
> > > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > > really going. (135+)
> > > >
> > > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > > reading this. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > > >
> > > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > > and hue).
> > > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > > >
> > > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > > >
> > > > > J
>
> Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> >
> > Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> > differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> > This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> > you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> > get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> > Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
> >
> > Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> > direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> > presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
> >
> > Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> > direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> > accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> > come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> > that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> > get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> > tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
> >
> > Eric
> > John Suchak wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > > officer is parked.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jenn,
> > > >
> > > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > > were going.
> > > >
> > > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > > really going. (135+)
> > > >
> > > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > > reading this. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > > >
> > > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > > and hue).
> > > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > > >
> > > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > > >
> > > > > J

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My first day with my new car (Lexus IS300) and I got a ticket for 105 mph.
Ouch... We talked about the car for like 10 minutes - you could still
smell that coating on the exhaust system even...

> Great story, Jenn. Really glad you got out of it unscathed. I guess it
> didn't hurt to have a *little* bit of celebrity status (not to take
> anything away from your other charms). Around here 110 mph would
> *definitely* have landed you in the back of the cruiser with the cuffs
> on, but then this *is* the 4th Reich. My friend Ron, who owns a BMW
> 535 and is in all respects a conservative, law-abiding family man says
> he would never bother even stopping at those speeds. Did you ever
> consider making a dash for it? On almost every highway trip I make I
> reach well in excess of 125 mph for at least one brief stretch, but
> these days I tend to keep it within 10 mph of the limit for the bulk
> of the trip. As I sense you do *most* of the time, I am suspicious of
> EVERY car behind me at night.
>
> Last night I got the opportunity teach show a kid in a twin turbo Stealth what REAL power is. Some brief moments of fun, but mostly ho-hum.
>
> Mel
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
> "Wheezy" black 96/97 FMII/III vrrooommmm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gfrazier
> To: (email redacted)
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:01 AM
> Subject: Pulled Over at 110mph..in a 55 zone.
>
>
> Ahh..the feeling one gets when the blue lights come on behind you on the interstate.....the sinking, oh my god find me a rock to hide under feeling.
>
> Helping a local fella install his greddy and we ended up working late tonight...didnt finish so I drove him home at midnight. On my way home the traffic was very light on the interstate and its a wonderful cool night, 60 degrees and I had a little race gas left in the tank..For the most part I was a good girl and drove at the speed limit *almost* all the way home. A few cars merged on in the distance behind me but nothing special ...and being dark I didnt notice one of them had lights on top.
>
> I had wide open four lane interstate in front of me and I decided to have one last go at the boost before my exit...punched it at 60 and was at 110 before you could say "license and registration". The car pulled like an ox on steriods, the J&S didn't light up a bit, and my smile could not have been bigger....then the lights came on.
>
> Fitting for the situation I was faintly aware in my panic stupor as I reached for my insurance card that REM's "end of the world as we know it" was playing on the radio.....
> Johnny law walks up and asks for my drivers license which I hand over, he's being a smartass to me ( which I deserved fully) saying " I guess you thought you were gonna get by with someting back there". I reached for my insurance card and he says "where do you work miss tipton"?" I told him and he say's "you used to be the helicopter traffic woman for Fox 41 TV...you know better than to be speeding like that". Of course I say " oh yes sir, I am VERY sorry....I *just* installed this turbo and sometimes it gets a little too fast too quick" ;-I
> So he says " Against my better judgement I am going to let you go with a warning...keep this behavior to the track". At this point I wanted to scream Happy Happy Joy Joy!!! but I kept my senses and just thanked him profusely. Dear God I have never been so scared in all my life! I have beed pulled over and given warnings before but NEVER at 110mph.....
>
> So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a big ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve myself to staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more roadcourse events...Putnam Park anyone?
>
> J
>


Tony Schreiber, Senior Partner Man and Machine, Limited
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gfrazier wrote:
> So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even
> though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a
> big ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve
> myself to staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more
> roadcourse events...Putnam Park anyone?

Congratulations on getting off of that one... I am firmly convinced
women get easier treatment in those situations. My wife has been
"warned" in many situations where I'd have been carted off to jail. :P
Such is life.

Maybe time to start cross-dressing when I go breaking the law?

*hee* Think that would only compound my problems. :D


cmh
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Mail From: (email redacted)


In a message dated 8/14/00 1:21:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<< Maybe time to start cross-dressing when I go breaking the law? >>

Hey! Excellent idea! ow wait a sec..........then you have worst problems like
you said......nevermind.......

Bryan
'90 turbo as of later today thanks to Jenn =)

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Mail From: Eric Vaillancourt <(email redacted)>


Interesting. I have never used, seen, or encountered a cruiser with a
rear mounted antenna. Until now I was not aware that the feature was
available at all. I knew it was logically possible, but had simply
never seen the application.

Eric

John Suchak wrote:
>
> For your reading enjoyment:
>
> copradar.com/preview/chapt1/ch1d1.html
>
> There it is, in the first paragraph.
>
> John
>
> John Suchak wrote:
> >
> > Call me a slave to logic, but I still disagree..
> >
> > How could the radar be capable of determining the speed of an oncoming
> > vehicle unless it knows how fast it is going itself?!?!? If your
> > assertion is true, then when a policeman and I are going in opposite
> > directions at 60mph on a highway his radar would read 120 MPH... (Our
> > "closing speed"..) As I stated before, a portable "hand-held" radar gun
> > might behave that way, (which is why they aren't used while under way),
> > but I'm nearly certain that the "permanently mounted" units are
> > connected to the cruiser's speed sensor and can clock you coming or
> > going...
> >
> > I've sent an e-mail to the publisher of "Ask-A-Cop.com"
> > (users.firstva.com/askacop/) regarding this subject and will post
> > his reply here.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> > > differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> > > This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> > > you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> > > get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> > > Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
> > >
> > > Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> > > direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> > > presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
> > >
> > > Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> > > direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> > > accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> > > come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> > > that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> > > get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> > > tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > John Suchak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > > > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > > > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > > > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > > > officer is parked.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jenn,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > > > were going.
> > > > >
> > > > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > > > really going. (135+)
> > > > >
> > > > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > > > reading this. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > > > and hue).
> > > > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
> >
> > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> > > differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> > > This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> > > you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> > > get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> > > Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
> > >
> > > Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> > > direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> > > presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
> > >
> > > Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> > > direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> > > accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> > > come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> > > that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> > > get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> > > tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > John Suchak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > > > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > > > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > > > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > > > officer is parked.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jenn,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > > > were going.
> > > > >
> > > > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > > > really going. (135+)
> > > > >
> > > > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > > > reading this. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > > > and hue).
> > > > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J

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Every Cruiser in So. CA nearly has them.

Mark
>
>
> Interesting. I have never used, seen, or encountered a cruiser with a
> rear mounted antenna. Until now I was not aware that the feature was
> available at all. I knew it was logically possible, but had simply
> never seen the application.
>
> Eric
>
> John Suchak wrote:
> >
> > For your reading enjoyment:
> >
> > copradar.com/preview/chapt1/ch1d1.html
> >
> > There it is, in the first paragraph.
> >
> > John
> >
> > John Suchak wrote:
> > >
> > > Call me a slave to logic, but I still disagree..
> > >
> > > How could the radar be capable of determining the speed of an oncoming
> > > vehicle unless it knows how fast it is going itself?!?!? If your
> > > assertion is true, then when a policeman and I are going in opposite
> > > directions at 60mph on a highway his radar would read 120 MPH... (Our
> > > "closing speed"..) As I stated before, a portable "hand-held" radar gun
> > > might behave that way, (which is why they aren't used while under way),
> > > but I'm nearly certain that the "permanently mounted" units are
> > > connected to the cruiser's speed sensor and can clock you coming or
> > > going...
> > >
> > > I've sent an e-mail to the publisher of "Ask-A-Cop.com"
> > > (users.firstva.com/askacop/) regarding this subject and will post
> > > his reply here.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> > > > differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> > > > This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> > > > you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> > > > get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> > > > Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
> > > >
> > > > Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> > > > direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> > > > presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
> > > >
> > > > Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> > > > direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> > > > accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> > > > come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> > > > that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> > > > get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> > > > tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > > John Suchak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > > > > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > > > > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > > > > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > > > > officer is parked.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jenn,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > > > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > > > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > > > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > > > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > > > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > > > > were going.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > > > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > > > > really going. (135+)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > > > > reading this. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > > > > and hue).
> > > > > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J
> > >
> > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> > > > differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> > > > This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> > > > you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> > > > get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> > > > Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
> > > >
> > > > Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> > > > direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> > > > presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
> > > >
> > > > Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> > > > direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> > > > accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> > > > come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> > > > that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> > > > get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> > > > tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > > John Suchak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure that most cop radar is somehow connected to the cop's
> > > > > speedometer and is capable of determining your speed regardless of the
> > > > > cops direction of travel. The only exception to this would be the
> > > > > hand-held radar guns, which typically are only used when the nice
> > > > > officer is parked.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jenn,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how did he know how fast you were going? If he
> > > > > > was traveling the same direction, he couldn't use radar. If you pulled
> > > > > > over as fast as you say, then he would not have had time to pace you.
> > > > > > Especially from a ways back. In the end, you may have gotten a warning
> > > > > > due to your charm, fear, celebrity status in the officer's eyes AND the
> > > > > > possible fact that he had no way to prove exactly how fast you really
> > > > > > were going.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I once received a citation for 105+ in a 55 simply because that was as
> > > > > > fast as the officer's Caprice would go and I wouldn't say how fast I was
> > > > > > really going. (135+)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As always, figures stated are in KPH if any enforcement officials are
> > > > > > reading this. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gfrazier wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I dont make a habit of doing 110 on the freeway...thats for sure! I
> > > > > > > usually stay around 10 over for the duration *especially* at night.
> > > > > > > This was just one of those situations where, it was a lovely cool
> > > > > > > night, I had a little race gas left, and felt a little plucky...so I
> > > > > > > went for it. I am sure most of you know how fast 110 or more comes up
> > > > > > > on the speedo when you punch it. I went WOT, and awaaaayyyyy I went.
> > > > > > > Boy it felt good too! I immediatley slowed down...I didnt hang at 110
> > > > > > > for more than a few seconds but that was enough :(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I figured I was safe enough because there were NO cars in front of me
> > > > > > > and the three cars that were behind were a pretty good distance away
> > > > > > > and none of them appeared to have crown vic headlights ( at night I
> > > > > > > try to distinguish make and model of car behind me by headlight shape
> > > > > > > and hue).
> > > > > > > I was very lucky last night...and I dont think I will testing the
> > > > > > > waters anytime soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as "fight or flight reflex" lol, I talk a good bravado game
> > > > > > > when it comes to speeding and being pulled over but when it comes down
> > > > > > > to it.....I am a real baby.
> > > > > > > I dont get in trouble enough to have built up a thick skin to it, so
> > > > > > > when the lights come on I am reduced to a pile of sweat and nerves.
> > > > > > > Scares me to death. I think my hands were shaking as I went to the
> > > > > > > glovebox for my registration and insurance card. Besides..this wasnt
> > > > > > > a little 5mph over violation...I knew I was screwed, and there was
> > > > > > > nothing I could do or say to fix it, so I just tried to be nice...yes
> > > > > > > sir, no sir, I am sorry sir, please dont impound my car sir :^ )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I pulled over so fast, he just about overshot me! My bonnie and
> > > > > > > clyde gene hasnt kicked in yet....I would be scared to death to even
> > > > > > > attempt to outrun a police officer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J
>

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Eric Vaillancourt wrote:
> Interesting. I have never used, seen, or encountered a cruiser with a
> rear mounted antenna. Until now I was not aware that the feature was
> available at all. I knew it was logically possible, but had simply
> never seen the application.

Drive in NJ. Nearly every METERMAID has them, front, rear, Ka band, you
name it. I think AWACS planes get jealous of NJ cruisers. PA, on the
other hand... local cops can't use radar and most State boys off of the
big roads have handhelds. Plus we don't have to have front plates.
Think I'm happy about moving? :D


cmh
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> Maybe time to start cross-dressing when I go breaking the law?
> *hee* Think that would only compound my problems. :D

Of course THAT depends on you, Chris.

>>+^ ]
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96/97 FMII/III vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Heerschap" <(email redacted)>
To: "gfrazier" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower list"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pulled Over at 110mph..in a 55 zone.


>
> gfrazier wrote:
> > So...no more late night boost for jenn......boost truly is a drug,even
> > though I just moments ago I nearly had a heart attack, got out of a
> > big ticket and possibly being taken to jail, I still cant resolve
> > myself to staying out of the boost. I better sign up for more
> > roadcourse events...Putnam Park anyone?
>
> Congratulations on getting off of that one... I am firmly convinced
> women get easier treatment in those situations. My wife has been
> "warned" in many situations where I'd have been carted off to jail. :P
> Such is life.
>
> Maybe time to start cross-dressing when I go breaking the law?
>
> *hee* Think that would only compound my problems. :D
>
>
> cmh
> --
> Chris Heerschap - UNIX Systems Mutilator/Postmaster

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Eric:

Here's how it works in the sunny South:
Cop sits in the shade of a magnolia tree enjoying donuts & coffee.
Cop observes a likely target, ie: sporty car, tags from outside the voting
district, something indicating poverty and thus probable inability to hire a
lawyer, non-white driver.
Cop rips the roots from the poor magnolia, pulls out in front of "an
apparently stoned hippie on a motorsickle", hits the siren and throws the
lights.
While waiting for "the criminal" to stop, Cop shoots his heater motor with
the radar gun (Whoo boy, 67 in a 25 -- that ol' boy shouldn't have been
driving like that on such a cold day!).
Cop sidles up to "the criminal", and waits for a proper response to his
alpha dog status.
If he percieves a belly up posture, Cop decides to just write a warning,
unless "the criminal" actually turns out to have a sporty car, tags from
outside the voting district, something indicating poverty and thus probable
inability to hire a lawyer, and is a non-white driver.

"The criminal" arrives in court.
The judge states the charges and asks "the criminal" for his plea and
church affiliation.
If "the criminal" pleads "not guilty", the judge asks him if he's calling
his fine officer a damn liar.
If "the criminal" has a lawyer that is not one of the good ol' boys in the
judge's circle, the judge tries to determine the economic status of "the
criminal".
If "the criminal" is well connected, the judge makes a compromise based on
the strength of connection.
If "the criminal" is from outside the voting district, poor and thus unable
to defend himself, or non-white, the judge applies the maximum possible
penalty to show his support for his boys in blue.

Grim but true.

Foureagles

In a message dated 8/14/2000 12:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

> Actually John, I've used radar and it works by calculating the
> differential between your targets speed and yours, (rolling radar).
> This works great with on coming traffic and if you are stopped, but if
> you paint a car that is moving the same direction as you are, you just
> get the difference in your speeds. *That* won't hold up in court. The
> Officer needs to have an actual speed register on the display.
>
> Most of the time if you try to paint a moving car that is going the same
> direction, all you get is your speed, since the stationary ground
> presents a much greater target with a stronger return.
>
> Correct procedure is to pace a car that is traveling in the same
> direction. This means you must be a reasonable distance from the car to
> accurately pace it though. That gives us an edge since it takes time to
> come up to speed and get a stable reading while pacing the speeder. In
> that small window, we can slow down and avoid allowing the officer to
> get a accurate pace reading. :) That's why you don't get as many
> tickets when you pay attention to your surroundings.
>
> Eric