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Mail From: "Robert McElwee" <(email redacted)>

I don't know what the long term affects on your paint are, but I always use=
Blech-Wite (or whatever their weird spelling is). Just spray it on and the=
black drips off. I believe it also keeps it from coming back as fast (it i=
s kind of slippery).

BTW, I bought some purple stuff one time which I thought was a knock-off of=
Simple Green. WARNING: Never spray unknown purple stuff on your Miata! It =
raised hell with my paint.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty=
crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with c=
ar wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rubbi=
ng, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green in s=
ome mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman



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Mail From: John Hammer <(email redacted)>

Wally,

I've found that some Mothers paint cleaner works really well. Then,
keep an extra thick coat of wax there.

John Hammer
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> Subject: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?
> From: (email redacted)
> Date: Tue, November 28, 2006 3:50 pm
> To: (email redacted)
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> Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty
> crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with
> car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and
> rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple
> Green in some mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?
>
> Thanks all!
> Wallyman
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I use TR3 Resin Glaze. Available at most FLAPS.

Steve



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Subject
NPC - Cleaner for soot off back
bumper?










Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty
crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with
car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and
rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green
in some mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman



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In a message dated 11/28/2006 3:51:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty
crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with car
wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but
that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix
ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman



Probably not the best for the paint, but Mother's Pre-wax Cleaner ( light
buffing goo) or a mix of Simple Green and dawn will do it. I have a white
Miata, so I've had to scrub the bumpers a lot.

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I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty? <br>
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:)<br>
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cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a
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suggestion?&nbsp; Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in the garage,
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In a message dated 11/28/2006 7:00:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad



Miatas, in general, run rich. Boosted Miatas tend to run richer.
The term "Lean Machine" wasn't intended to describe a boosted Miata.

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Mail From: "CB" <(email redacted)>

Ever since I went wideband, no more soot....


go figure...

CB&Stoker
1990
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Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


In a message dated 11/28/2006 7:00:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bfranks=
@gorge.net writes:
I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?=20

:)

Brad

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I use "Bug and Tar Remover". I think it is simply a very fine polish. Works
great.

Jim in Tucson


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Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty
crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with car
wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but
that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix
ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman




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=3D2><DIV>Easy to answer:</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Richer than 12:1 with =
water injection. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>:)</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>=
I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot a bl=
ack water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my driveway ha=
s a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think).&nbsp; The car=
spits a lot of black soot...</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And to CB's commen=
t, I have a WB, not helping me. :(</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would bet m=
oney it's worse due to the&nbsp;water injection.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV=
>Wallyman</DIV><DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><BR><BR>Walt Helsel, RCDD<BR>URS T=
echnology<BR><BR>Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)<BR>Fax: 616-574-8542<BR><DIV>=
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ct: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?<BR><BR>I suppose the bigger=
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lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA.&nbsp; Anyone have a better sugg=
estion?&nbsp; Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in the garage, have=
n't tried it tho)? </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Thanks all! </DIV><DIV>Wallyman <=
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The Mr Clean "Magic Eraser" is a truly amazing piece of spongy stuff that m=
y wife introduced me to. No chemicals needed ... just water. It's also go=
od for cleaning tan interior bits and all sorts of other stubborn household=
items.


----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty=
crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with c=
ar wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rubbi=
ng, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green in s=
ome mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman



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=3D2><DIV>The stuff that looks like blue gel toothpaste?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</=
DIV><DIV>If so, haven't had good luck with that stuff removing bugs or tar,=
ironically.. that's how I started using WD40.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>W=
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.com<BR>Date: 11/28/2006 08:50PM<BR>Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off=
back bumper?<BR><BR><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2><DIV><DIV>I use&nbsp;"Bug and Tar Remover". I think it is simply a=
very fine polish. Works great. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Jim in Tucson </DIV>=
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the back bumper?&nbsp; It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with car w=
ash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, =
but that's a PITA.&nbsp; Anyone have a better suggestion?&nbsp; Simple Gree=
n in some mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)? </DIV>=
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No. Comes in a can. Made by Turtle Wax, IIRC. Thin white polish about the
consistency of baby shampoo.

Jim


In a message dated 11/28/2006 8:51:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

The stuff that looks like blue gel toothpaste?

If so, haven't had good luck with that stuff removing bugs or tar,
ironically.. that's how I started using WD40.

Wallyman

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To: (email redacted), (email redacted)
From: (email redacted)
Date: 11/28/2006 08:50PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


I use "Bug and Tar Remover". I think it is simply a very fine polish. Works
great.

Jim in Tucson


n a message dated 11/28/2006 1:51:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:


Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black sooty
crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with car
wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but
that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix
ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman




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Mail From: "Tim South" <(email redacted)>

I second the magic eraser. Although I'd use it very gently on a painted su=
rface I care about, perhaps with a little soap and water. It also works gr=
eat for getting the rubber marks off the racecar.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ray=20
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


The Mr Clean "Magic Eraser" is a truly amazing piece of spongy stuff that=
my wife introduced me to. No chemicals needed ... just water. It's also =
good for cleaning tan interior bits and all sorts of other stubborn househo=
ld items.
=20=20=20
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black soo=
ty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it with=
car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and rub=
bing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green in=
some mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?

Thanks all!
Wallyman



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Mail From: "Robert McElwee" <(email redacted)>

Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system (sitting i=
t the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you run=
ning rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding extra fu=
el.

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From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Cc: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?


Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.=20

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot a =
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my driveway =
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The car sp=
its a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman

=20=20=20


Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542



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To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?=20

:)=20

Brad=20

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ooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just cleaning it wi=
th car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I used a lot of WD40 and r=
ubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a better suggestion? Simple Green =
in some mix ratio (have some in the garage, haven't tried it tho)?=20
Thanks all!=20
Wallyman=20


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I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or "best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place... IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+ at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman






"Robert McElwee"
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essway.net> To
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11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>
AM cc
<(email redacted)>
Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back
bumper?










Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system (sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman


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Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman





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"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To=20
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc=20
<(email redacted)>

=20
Subject=20
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back=20
bumper?

=20

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Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman
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I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works, in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman





"Michael Burgess"
<mburgess@kukausa
.com> To
<(email redacted)>, "Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"
AM <(email redacted)>
cc
<(email redacted)>,
<(email redacted)>
Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back
bumper?










Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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Mail From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>

That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman




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"Robert=20=20
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AM <(email redacted)>

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<(email redacted)>

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RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back=20
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Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.
Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

<mburgess@kukausa

.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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It is alcohol and water and 1% blue freebie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:51 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.

Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

<mburgess@kukausa

.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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Mail From: "Abraham Mara" <(email redacted)>

Blue freebie specially designed for cleaner burning, right? And what
percentage alchohol, anyway? Buy hardware store or drug store alchohol for
cheap, and downmix it.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


It is alcohol and water and 1% blue freebie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:51 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.

Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

<mburgess@kukausa

.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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Mail From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>

From: enginerunup.com/can-i-use-washer-fluid-/info_22.php

"The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant amount (<1%). "

More:

Can I use Washer Fluid?

Some engines get the best gains from straight water, and some with
straight methanol, and some with a water/methanol mix. How much
methanol, well that is up to what your engine prefers, and every engine
is different. We recommend to start with straight water, and then see
the results. Then, try a 10% meth/water mix, being sure to purge the
straight water from the lines, and then see the results. Do this for
20%, 30%, 40%, and 50%, etc.... If during this process, you notice your
performance decrease, then don't try any higher of a mixture. Revert
back to the previous amounts and use what works best.=20

There are many places to buy straight methanol, found here, but if you
are going to use a water/methanol mixture, the easiest (and cheapest) is
to buy the blue windshield washer fluid that is used during winter time
to prevent the fluid from freezing. It may sound cheap ($1.29-$1.99 per
gallon), but it is just as good as any methanol/water mixture you would
make otherwise. The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant
amount (<1%). Some of the washer fluids, such as RainX, contain
cleaning additives, but this is easily determined by shaking the bottle
and seeing of it suds up like soapy water. If it does, don't buy it,
but if it doesn't, then it is good to use. There are many different
brands out there, but they all have common amounts of methanol for their
respective temperature rating, regardless of the brand. We have many
MSDS's (Material Safety Data Sheets) from different companies to support
the following data, but only one per temperature rating is available for
viewing, which is representative of all the brands (within a few
percent) that produce that specific temperature rating. To view the
MSDS, simply click on the item.

+20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 7% methanol.

0 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 23% methanol.

-10 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 28% methanol.

-20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 35% methanol.

-25 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 38% methanol.

-50 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 62% methanol.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:01 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Blue freebie specially designed for cleaner burning, right? And what=20
percentage alchohol, anyway? Buy hardware store or drug store alchohol
for=20
cheap, and downmix it.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


It is alcohol and water and 1% blue freebie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:51 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.

Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

<mburgess@kukausa

.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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Can I just buy a gallon of the appropriate mixture at every gas station on
the planet?

Nope.

Can I just toss plain old water in and still get the same lack-of-knock?

Probably not.

So then I can't drive WOT until I go home and mix up my brew, or stop at
walgreens and buy some... PITA.

I give up some unknown performance gain for the convenience factor..

Wallyman






"Abraham Mara"
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ist.com> To

11/29/2006 02:00 cc
PM <(email redacted)>
Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back
Please respond to bumper?
"Abraham Mara"
<AbeFM@mad.scient
ist.com>







Blue freebie specially designed for cleaner burning, right? And what
percentage alchohol, anyway? Buy hardware store or drug store alchohol for

cheap, and downmix it.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


It is alcohol and water and 1% blue freebie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:51 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.

Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

<mburgess@kukausa

.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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There is the rub.. how do you measure that performance gain? On a dyno..
cuz I doubt DLL will show anything that I would assume is going to be
fairly small. That and you have to retune the ignition maps to take
advantage of each change in alky...

Sounds like a lot of work.

Wallyman







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RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back
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From: enginerunup.com/can-i-use-washer-fluid-/info_22.php

"The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant amount (<1%). "

More:

Can I use Washer Fluid?

Some engines get the best gains from straight water, and some with
straight methanol, and some with a water/methanol mix. How much
methanol, well that is up to what your engine prefers, and every engine
is different. We recommend to start with straight water, and then see
the results. Then, try a 10% meth/water mix, being sure to purge the
straight water from the lines, and then see the results. Do this for
20%, 30%, 40%, and 50%, etc.... If during this process, you notice your
performance decrease, then don't try any higher of a mixture. Revert
back to the previous amounts and use what works best.

There are many places to buy straight methanol, found here, but if you
are going to use a water/methanol mixture, the easiest (and cheapest) is
to buy the blue windshield washer fluid that is used during winter time
to prevent the fluid from freezing. It may sound cheap ($1.29-$1.99 per
gallon), but it is just as good as any methanol/water mixture you would
make otherwise. The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant
amount (<1%). Some of the washer fluids, such as RainX, contain
cleaning additives, but this is easily determined by shaking the bottle
and seeing of it suds up like soapy water. If it does, don't buy it,
but if it doesn't, then it is good to use. There are many different
brands out there, but they all have common amounts of methanol for their
respective temperature rating, regardless of the brand. We have many
MSDS's (Material Safety Data Sheets) from different companies to support
the following data, but only one per temperature rating is available for
viewing, which is representative of all the brands (within a few
percent) that produce that specific temperature rating. To view the
MSDS, simply click on the item.

+20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 7% methanol.

0 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 23% methanol.

-10 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 28% methanol.

-20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 35% methanol.

-25 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 38% methanol.

-50 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 62% methanol.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:01 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Blue freebie specially designed for cleaner burning, right? And what
percentage alchohol, anyway? Buy hardware store or drug store alchohol
for
cheap, and downmix it.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


It is alcohol and water and 1% blue freebie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:51 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.

Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in
my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

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.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
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Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed
to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,.. and
given
my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is necessarily going
to
help me. I don't for a second think the way I do it is "right" or
"best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I
have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the
jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at
80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT is
in
the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a second
probe
post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL (a/b switch
on
the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be consistent with the
pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

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essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting
it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel. Why are you
running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons for adding
extra
fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a
black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway
has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I think). The
car
spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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Mail From: "Bill Cardell" <(email redacted)>

FWIW, we've got a new water injection unit coming from Aquamist. Ties
into the hydra and lets you do very cool <did I just say that?> things.
You can set it so when the water is running, the hydra goes into back-up
fuel and timing maps, so you can crank in advance and pull out fuel.
There is a pressure sensor and a level gauge, so if either shows the
water flow stopping, the Hydra reverts to standard, non WI maps for
safety. Should be a very interesting toy, especially as the gas gets
worse and worse.=20


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
www.flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S
tech 970-242-3800

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:56 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: Abraham Mara; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

There is the rub.. how do you measure that performance gain? On a
dyno..
cuz I doubt DLL will show anything that I would assume is going to be
fairly small. That and you have to retune the ignition maps to take
advantage of each change in alky...

Sounds like a lot of work.

Wallyman






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To=20
"Abraham Mara"

11/29/2006 02:05 <(email redacted)>

PM
cc=20
<(email redacted)>

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Subject=20
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
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From: enginerunup.com/can-i-use-washer-fluid-/info_22.php

"The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant amount (<1%). "

More:

Can I use Washer Fluid?

Some engines get the best gains from straight water, and some with
straight methanol, and some with a water/methanol mix. How much
methanol, well that is up to what your engine prefers, and every engine
is different. We recommend to start with straight water, and then see
the results. Then, try a 10% meth/water mix, being sure to purge the
straight water from the lines, and then see the results. Do this for
20%, 30%, 40%, and 50%, etc.... If during this process, you notice your
performance decrease, then don't try any higher of a mixture. Revert
back to the previous amounts and use what works best.

There are many places to buy straight methanol, found here, but if you
are going to use a water/methanol mixture, the easiest (and cheapest) is
to buy the blue windshield washer fluid that is used during winter time
to prevent the fluid from freezing. It may sound cheap ($1.29-$1.99 per
gallon), but it is just as good as any methanol/water mixture you would
make otherwise. The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant
amount (<1%). Some of the washer fluids, such as RainX, contain
cleaning additives, but this is easily determined by shaking the bottle
and seeing of it suds up like soapy water. If it does, don't buy it,
but if it doesn't, then it is good to use. There are many different
brands out there, but they all have common amounts of methanol for their
respective temperature rating, regardless of the brand. We have many
MSDS's (Material Safety Data Sheets) from different companies to support
the following data, but only one per temperature rating is available for
viewing, which is representative of all the brands (within a few
percent) that produce that specific temperature rating. To view the
MSDS, simply click on the item.

+20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 7% methanol.

0 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 23% methanol.

-10 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 28% methanol.

-20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 35% methanol.

-25 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 38% methanol.

-50 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 62% methanol.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:01 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Blue freebie specially designed for cleaner burning, right? And what
percentage alchohol, anyway? Buy hardware store or drug store alchohol
for cheap, and downmix it.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


It is alcohol and water and 1% blue freebie.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:51 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

One might concider running something other than windsheild washer fluid.

Alchohol and water might work.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Burgess" <(email redacted)>


That is the beauty of having a on/off switch! :-)

Anyhow...If that is what *we* were going to do---I would suggest to both
of us getting a bigger tank...since my pump is in my trunk I can simply
replumb a HAT (huge ass tank) in the trunk at any time....but that is
the problem (TIME) :-)

Wait, what was the question you asked?

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: Michael Burgess
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted); Robert McElwee
Subject: RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 with WI on, and washer fluid not alcohol proper (tho it
has some in it).

Technically, I think it would be smartest to tune all your maps for fuel
only, then add WI and start dropping fuel back until you reach the knock
tolerance you want. PITA, but not that bad to do.. just unplug the WI
pump, tune it all, then plug it back in and retune rows where WI works,
in my case it would be Rows 5 and 6 since it turns on at ~12.5 psi

All this is assuming you never forget to the fill the water jug, which I
do, and then the car does knock on occasion.

Wallyman






"Michael Burgess"

<mburgess@kukausa

.com>
To
<(email redacted)>,
"Robert
11/29/2006 08:57 McElwee"

AM <(email redacted)>


cc
<(email redacted)>,

<(email redacted)>


Subject
RE: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Now do you tune to 12:1 w/o WI activated and then activate WI once
you've achieved 12:1?

I'm referring to the possibility of the Alcohol interfering with the
WBO2's a/f ratio ...since alcohol burns differently..no?

-Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:54 AM
To: Robert McElwee
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I tuned for 12:1 at 15psi with the WI on using in car WBO2, but the car
tends to run a little richer. Basically I run that way because that
seemed to be the common consensus to not go leaner with WI than that,..
and given my high (very) EGT readings, I don't think leaner is
necessarily going to help me. I don't for a second think the way I do
it is "right" or "best"..
but it "works" right now.

My hope (too) is that I can retune come spring and really figure out why
I have monstrously high EGT's and to get the tune into a happy place...
IIRC
I run about 85% fuel 15% water at the upper RPM range right now given
the jet size I have.. have considered going slightly more on water as
well..
The EGT's are high, and have been since I bought the car.. I see 1600+
at 80-85mph cruise, I see 1500 or so at 75mph IIRC.. it's toasty. EGT
is in the collector pre-turbo, Autometer Phantom setup. I added a
second probe post-turbo and have that setup so I can datalog it with DLL
(a/b switch on the Aux along with the WBO2) and it seems to be
consistent with the pre-turbo with a standard offset (100* IIRC).

Wallyman







"Robert McElwee"

<rmcelwee@homexpr

essway.net>
To
<(email redacted)>,

11/29/2006 08:39 <(email redacted)>

AM
cc
<(email redacted)>


Subject
Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off
back
bumper?

















Hmmm, my plans for next year's tuning is to install my WI system
(sitting it the garage gathering dust) and start leaning out my fuel.
Why are you running rich with WI? I thought the WI negated the reasons
for adding extra fuel.

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

Easy to answer:

Richer than 12:1 with water injection.

:)

I think the water injection has a lot to do with it, I literally shoot
a black water jet out if I let the car warm up and then move it, my
driveway has a permenant black cone (ask Burgess, he's seen it I
think). The car spits a lot of black soot...

And to CB's comment, I have a WB, not helping me. :(

I would bet money it's worse due to the water injection.

Wallyman




Walt Helsel, RCDD
URS Technology

Phone: 616-574-8348 (direct)
Fax: 616-574-8542

-----Brad Franks <(email redacted)> wrote: -----

To: (email redacted)
From: Brad Franks <(email redacted)>
Date: 11/28/2006 06:59PM
cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: NPC - Cleaner for soot off back bumper?

I suppose the bigger question is: Why is your bumper sooty?

:)

Brad

(email redacted) wrote:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner to remove the
black
sooty crap off the back bumper? It's imbedded of sorts, just
cleaning it with car wash soap doesn't remove it.. int he past I
used a lot of WD40 and rubbing, but that's a PITA. Anyone have a
better suggestion? Simple Green in some mix ratio (have some in
the
garage, haven't tried it tho)?
Thanks all!
Wallyman




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For those who wonder how Wally gets so much soot on his bumper, just
remember that he plays a Chimney Sweep in the local production of Mary Poppins.
Yes, he's a star, incognito, and once you've read this just wipe it from
your mind... with a paper towel and some liquid cleanser.