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Mail From: David Colby <(email redacted)>

I would agree here, it is much more your shifting empathy then anything. Hard slaming of gears etc is more likely the culprit. I'm laying down 400hp and the tires let loose at about 2k rpm, I've taken it to the drag and burnt the clutch, because I don't just drop the clutch in! I'd rather replace a clutch then a tranny! I'm still on a stock 10AE 6 spd.

David

(email redacted) wrote:
Weelllll, wellllll.... looks like Jim has to stand a little corrected. ;)

Still, I have a hard time with 1.2" of tire being the difference between
happy tranny and broken tranny.

Wally






Jesus Lara
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AM (email redacted),
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Subject
Re: MSM Tire size










I broke a tranny with 195/60-14 tires.

93 1.6 FM2

Jesus Lara

(email redacted) wrote:
> Sure.
>
> 1. Ask anyone with big power and tires. They will all claim that
> bigger tires give better traction. If so, then the torque that would
> spin smaller tires is now absorbed by the drivetrain.
>
> 2. I've been unable to find even a single person with a turbo Miata
> and 195 tires who has blown a tranny.
>
> Need any more?
>
> Jim in Tucson
> Who has 195 tires and no blown trannys!
>
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2006 4:50:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> I think I might take exception to that statement.. any proof?
>
> Wallyman
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Mail From: Rob Ebersol <(email redacted)>

You're not the only one with big power that's running the 6spd with
"success". How long since you installed it?

On Jun 1, 2006, at 10:47 AM, David Colby wrote:

> I would agree here, it is much more your shifting empathy then
> anything. Hard slaming of gears etc is more likely the culprit.
> I'm laying down 400hp and the tires let loose at about 2k rpm, I've
> taken it to the drag and burnt the clutch, because I don't just
> drop the clutch in! I'd rather replace a clutch then a tranny!
> I'm still on a stock 10AE 6 spd.

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Mail From: David Colby <(email redacted)>

Its been about hmm over a year or so, she doesn't get alot of mileage, but I do baby it when I launch. I'm also on Sumitomo HTRZ II's 215's to put it in context.

David

Rob Ebersol <(email redacted)> wrote:
You're not the only one with big power that's running the 6spd with
"success". How long since you installed it?

On Jun 1, 2006, at 10:47 AM, David Colby wrote:

> I would agree here, it is much more your shifting empathy then
> anything. Hard slaming of gears etc is more likely the culprit.
> I'm laying down 400hp and the tires let loose at about 2k rpm, I've
> taken it to the drag and burnt the clutch, because I don't just
> drop the clutch in! I'd rather replace a clutch then a tranny!
> I'm still on a stock 10AE 6 spd.




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Mail From: Russ <(email redacted)>

Speaking of contact patch size and the fact that some people think it
remains the same size, but just changes shape as you go to wider
tires...

I wonder if this is actually true. I'm thinking that this would be
true given the perfect tire on the perfect surface: Like a huge Mylar
tire on a smooth steel surface. But we have varying sidewall heights
and stiffness and thick rubber skins. I'm thinking that it may not be
a pure straight line function.

I'd love to see some tests: put fresh paint on different width tires
at the same pressure and measure the area of the shape they create
when mounted on the same weight vehicle.

Russ


On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:14 AM, (email redacted) wrote:

> Yes, I need more. :)
>
> If that is the case, you should run skinnier tires, it's even
> easier on the
> car, right?
>
> And using 195 is pretty meaning less.. we should be arguing contact
> patch.
> The numbers are irrelevant what really matters is how much rubber
> meets the
> road, right?
>
> Let's use the Toyo T1-S.
>
> 205/50/15 overall width is 8.3
> 195/50/15 overall width is 7.8
>
> So, you are saying that an extra 0.6" of rubber on each of the rear
> tires
> is enough to take the car from Tranny Lover to Tranny Eater?
>
> I still want more proof! :) I am running 195/50/15's on my car
> right now,
> and I ran them all last year too. Guess what went KaBoom at the
> end of
> October? :) AND these S-03's are more slippery than the Toyo's
> that I had
> previously (205/50/15 and Ken had 205/40/16's on the BBS wheels, I
> believe).
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (email redacted)
>
> 06/01/2006
> 08:03 To
> AM (email redacted)
>
> cc
> (email redacted)
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> Subject
> Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Sure.
>
> 1. Ask anyone with big power and tires. They will all claim that
> bigger
> tires give better traction. If so, then the torque that would spin
> smaller
> tires is now absorbed by the drivetrain.
>
> 2. I've been unable to find even a single person with a turbo Miata
> and 195
> tires who has blown a tranny.
>
> Need any more?
>
> Jim in Tucson
> Who has 195 tires and no blown trannys!
>
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2006 4:50:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
> I think I might take exception to that statement.. any proof?
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
>
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> (email redacted)
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> 05/31/2006
> 04:56 To
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> PM (email redacted),
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> (email redacted)
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> cc
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> Subject
>
> Re: MSM Tire size
>
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> MINUSES:
> Increases stress on the drive train.
>
> Jim in Tucson
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Mail From: "Melvin Hoagland" <(email redacted)>

I think (and here we enter a dark, unknown territory...) that within a
certain range of tires, in other words, tires that would work for a given
application and at a given range of air pressures, the contact area is going
to be very close, probably within a range that would render the differences
moot. Changing air pressure would probably result in a small change of
contact area, but there is a narrow range of pressures that works for any
given tire, vehicle and driving situation, so we're limited there. Of
course, if you were so inclined and mounted a bicycle tire on your car,
there's no way the area of the contact patch would match that of a car tire,
but you would either need several hundred pounds of pressure or you would be
riding on the rims and all the other drivers would laugh at you.

Melvin

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:16 PM
To: miata List
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size

Speaking of contact patch size and the fact that some people think it
remains the same size, but just changes shape as you go to wider
tires...

I wonder if this is actually true. I'm thinking that this would be
true given the perfect tire on the perfect surface: Like a huge Mylar
tire on a smooth steel surface. But we have varying sidewall heights
and stiffness and thick rubber skins. I'm thinking that it may not be
a pure straight line function.

I'd love to see some tests: put fresh paint on different width tires
at the same pressure and measure the area of the shape they create
when mounted on the same weight vehicle.

Russ


On Jun 1, 2006, at 5:14 AM, (email redacted) wrote:

> Yes, I need more. :)
>
> If that is the case, you should run skinnier tires, it's even
> easier on the
> car, right?
>
> And using 195 is pretty meaning less.. we should be arguing contact
> patch.
> The numbers are irrelevant what really matters is how much rubber
> meets the
> road, right?
>
> Let's use the Toyo T1-S.
>
> 205/50/15 overall width is 8.3
> 195/50/15 overall width is 7.8
>
> So, you are saying that an extra 0.6" of rubber on each of the rear
> tires
> is enough to take the car from Tranny Lover to Tranny Eater?
>
> I still want more proof! :) I am running 195/50/15's on my car
> right now,
> and I ran them all last year too. Guess what went KaBoom at the
> end of
> October? :) AND these S-03's are more slippery than the Toyo's
> that I had
> previously (205/50/15 and Ken had 205/40/16's on the BBS wheels, I
> believe).
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (email redacted)
>
> 06/01/2006
> 08:03 To
> AM (email redacted)
>
> cc
> (email redacted)
>
> Subject
> Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sure.
>
> 1. Ask anyone with big power and tires. They will all claim that
> bigger
> tires give better traction. If so, then the torque that would spin
> smaller
> tires is now absorbed by the drivetrain.
>
> 2. I've been unable to find even a single person with a turbo Miata
> and 195
> tires who has blown a tranny.
>
> Need any more?
>
> Jim in Tucson
> Who has 195 tires and no blown trannys!
>
>
> In a message dated 6/1/2006 4:50:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
> I think I might take exception to that statement.. any proof?
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (email redacted)
>
>
> 05/31/2006
> 04:56 To
>
> PM (email redacted),
>
> (email redacted)
>
>
> cc
>
>
>
> Subject
>
> Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
>
>
>
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> MINUSES:
> Increases stress on the drive train.
>
> Jim in Tucson
>
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>
>
>
>

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Mail From: "Abraham Mara" <(email redacted)>

All the other drivers laugh at me anyways. What can you do?

But: I think it's more the deforming characteristics at different
pressures - the rate at which the tire heats up and the rate at which is
cools and the deformation of the contract patch under different loads.

I don't think anyone here would argue that proper tire pressure for an event
is critical. Also, changing design of tire is going to make a big
difference (I'm starting from scratch with my T1-S verses my T1-R), and this
is a much bigger effect than the size of the tire.

My advice: Go to a bigger tire for looks, but for all other reasons size is
less of a factor. Dear-old-dad's drag car has HUGE tires for the street,
and much smaller ones for racing - and they work a lot better.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melvin Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


>I think (and here we enter a dark, unknown territory...) that within a
> certain range of tires, in other words, tires that would work for a given
> application and at a given range of air pressures, the contact area is
> going
> to be very close, probably within a range that would render the
> differences
> moot. Changing air pressure would probably result in a small change of
> contact area, but there is a narrow range of pressures that works for any
> given tire, vehicle and driving situation, so we're limited there. Of
> course, if you were so inclined and mounted a bicycle tire on your car,
> there's no way the area of the contact patch would match that of a car
> tire,
> but you would either need several hundred pounds of pressure or you would
> be
> riding on the rims and all the other drivers would laugh at you.
>
> Melvin
>

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Mail From: Vic Harder <(email redacted)>

Chris,



Have you seen this thread over on the V8 forum? Lots of deliberations of
weight/size/traction.



forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=173999



I ended up ordering 15x7" 41et offset Enkei RPF1's for the weight savings
and 225/50-15 Toyo T1R's. Total weight per corner should be less than 30 #.




Vic



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From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size



ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04 wheels which i really like,
although i'd like it if they stuck out more (less offset). anyway, i just
want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and as much additional width as these
rims can properly handle. i was hoping to find someone who already went
through this, but i have yet to check mazda-speed site which i will. thanks
for the replies!



hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset with those 245's or
whatever?





----- Original Message -----

From: (email redacted)

To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: MSM Tire size



In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

ok, here are some of my imagined plusses:



1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill up the well's just a little more



2) noise. the car mnakes a humming/howling sound that gets louder on
braking. im fairly certain its the tires (what else could it be ona 3500
mile car?)



3) rim protection. i've read about many bent rims on mazda-speed.com i
figure a deeper tire would help a little



RE: 1. New Wheels with different offset.

2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes! Wheel bearings don't get louder
under braking.

3. You say that you want to go from 205 to 225. you may be making
the tire too tall if you don't go to a lower aspect ratio. Suggest you
compare the sizes using Tirerack's spec page. It shows width, height,
aspect ratio, turning radius, weight, etc.... Doesn't matter that Tirerack
doesn't sell Toyo or whatever brand you want, the turning radius/aspect
ratio would be similar, not exact but similar.

Whatever you decide, whether different wheels, different tires, or
both, you're gonna be spending money, so research it first and you'll feel
better about having spent the bucks.

Good luck, and think about offering your stock wheels and/or tires for sale;
that could offset the cost somewhat.

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Mail From: "Abraham Mara" <(email redacted)>

Wow? 225 on 7" rims? I have Kosie K1-TS I think it is, very light weight,=
15x7, but with 195's on them. They are really cheap, so hard to pass up. =
At $60 a tire I can smoke them all day long, if my wussy 4 banger is up to=
the task. :-)
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vic Harder=20


Chris,

=20=20=20

Have you seen this thread over on the V8 forum? Lots of deliberations of=
weight/size/traction.

=20=20=20

forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=3D173999

=20=20=20

I ended up ordering 15x7" 41et offset Enkei RPF1's for the weight savings=
and 225/50-15 Toyo T1R's. Total weight per corner should be less than 30 =
#.=20=20

=20=20=20

Vic

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Mail From: (email redacted)


In a message dated 6/1/2006 7:28:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

Wow? 225 on 7" rims? I have Kosie K1-TS I think it is, very light weight,
15x7, but with 195's on them. They are really cheap, so hard to pass up. At
$60 a tire I can smoke them all day long, if my wussy 4 banger is up to the
task. :-)
-Abe.



I wouldn't smoke tires, Abe. It's bad for you and the pipe you'd need would
be very heavy.

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

With what size tire???


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: Chris P ; (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size


We're running 16x7.5 comps.

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20





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From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04 wheels which i really li=
ke, although i'd like it if they stuck out more (less offset). anyway, i j=
ust want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and as much additional width as the=
se rims can properly handle. i was hoping to find someone who already went=
through this, but i have yet to check mazda-speed site which i will. than=
ks for the replies!

hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset with those 245's or what=
ever?


----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kr1b@h=
otmail.com writes:
ok, here are some of my imagined plusses:

1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill up the well's just a little mo=
re

2) noise. the car mnakes a humming/howling sound that gets louder on =
braking. im fairly certain its the tires (what else could it be ona 3500 mi=
le car?)

3) rim protection. i've read about many bent rims on mazda-speed.com =
i figure a deeper tire would help a little

RE: 1. New Wheels with different offset.
2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes! Wheel bearings don't get loude=
r under braking.
3. You say that you want to go from 205 to 225. you may be ma=
king the tire too tall if you don't go to a lower aspect ratio. Suggest yo=
u compare the sizes using Tirerack's spec page. It shows width, height, a=
spect ratio, turning radius, weight, etc.... Doesn't matter that Tirerack d=
oesn't sell Toyo or whatever brand you want, the turning radius/aspect rati=
o would be similar, not exact but similar.
Whatever you decide, whether different wheels, different tires, o=
r both, you're gonna be spending money, so research it first and you'll fee=
l better about having spent the bucks.=20=20
Good luck, and think about offering your stock wheels and/or tires for =
sale; that could offset the cost somewhat.=

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Mail From: "Bill Cardell" <(email redacted)>

245/45-16
=20

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20

=20

________________________________

From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:23 AM
To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


With what size tire???
=20
=20
Larry
=20
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
=20
LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074


----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>=20=20
To: Chris P <mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted) ;
(email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size

We're running 16x7.5 comps.
=09=20

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20

=09=20

________________________________

From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
=09
=09
ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04 wheels which i
really like, although i'd like it if they stuck out more (less offset).
anyway, i just want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and as much
additional width as these rims can properly handle. i was hoping to
find someone who already went through this, but i have yet to check
mazda-speed site which i will. thanks for the replies!
=09=20
hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset with those
245's or whatever?
=09=20
=09=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size

=09=09
In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, (email redacted) writes:

=09=09=09
ok, here are some of my imagined plusses:
=09=09=09=20
1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill up the
well's just a little more
=09=09=09=20
2) noise. the car mnakes a humming/howling sound
that gets louder on braking. im fairly certain its the tires (what else
could it be ona 3500 mile car?)
=09=09=09=20
3) rim protection. i've read about many bent
rims on mazda-speed.com i figure a deeper tire would help a little
=09=09=09=20

RE: 1. New Wheels with different offset.
2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes! Wheel bearings
don't get louder under braking.
3. You say that you want to go from 205 to 225.
you may be making the tire too tall if you don't go to a lower aspect
ratio. Suggest you compare the sizes using Tirerack's spec page. It
shows width, height, aspect ratio, turning radius, weight, etc....
Doesn't matter that Tirerack doesn't sell Toyo or whatever brand you
want, the turning radius/aspect ratio would be similar, not exact but
similar.
Whatever you decide, whether different wheels,
different tires, or both, you're gonna be spending money, so research it
first and you'll feel better about having spent the bucks.=20=20
Good luck, and think about offering your stock wheels
and/or tires for sale; that could offset the cost somewhat.

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

Okay, now that we're getting a new OTM in the house I might get my Speed ba=
ck from Janice to drive. Since she has bent at least 2 wheels on the base =
going to work I will have to be replacing the wheels too.

I was thinking 15" or 16" with the most rubber I can fit.

Bill, I thought you were using 16x7 with Kumho MX tires. I don't see those=
tires in that size. What exactly is it you are running on the Speed. Whe=
el size and offset and tire size and brand please??? Any rubbing issues th=
at would stop me from using the same size on a street driver??

thanks


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: Larry Alster ; Chris P ; (email redacted) ; miatapower@miatapower.n=
et=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size


245/45-16

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20





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From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:23 AM
To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


With what size tire???


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: Chris P ; (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size


We're running 16x7.5 comps.

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20





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From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04 wheels which i really =
like, although i'd like it if they stuck out more (less offset). anyway, i=
just want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and as much additional width as t=
hese rims can properly handle. i was hoping to find someone who already we=
nt through this, but i have yet to check mazda-speed site which i will. th=
anks for the replies!

hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset with those 245's or wh=
atever?


----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kr1b=
@hotmail.com writes:
ok, here are some of my imagined plusses:

1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill up the well's just a little =
more

2) noise. the car mnakes a humming/howling sound that gets louder o=
n braking. im fairly certain its the tires (what else could it be ona 3500 =
mile car?)

3) rim protection. i've read about many bent rims on mazda-speed.co=
m i figure a deeper tire would help a little

RE: 1. New Wheels with different offset.
2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes! Wheel bearings don't get lou=
der under braking.
3. You say that you want to go from 205 to 225. you may be =
making the tire too tall if you don't go to a lower aspect ratio. Suggest =
you compare the sizes using Tirerack's spec page. It shows width, height,=
aspect ratio, turning radius, weight, etc.... Doesn't matter that Tirerack=
doesn't sell Toyo or whatever brand you want, the turning radius/aspect ra=
tio would be similar, not exact but similar.
Whatever you decide, whether different wheels, different tires,=
or both, you're gonna be spending money, so research it first and you'll f=
eel better about having spent the bucks.=20=20
Good luck, and think about offering your stock wheels and/or tires fo=
r sale; that could offset the cost somewhat.=

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Mail From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>

Pssst!
flyinmiata.com/projects/supertuner05/specs.php
flyinmiata.com/wheels/comp-S03.php
=20

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata
(email redacted)
<mailto:keith@flyinmiata.comflyinmiata.com>
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>=20
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)

=20


________________________________

From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:15 AM
To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted);
(email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
=09
=09
Okay, now that we're getting a new OTM in the house I might get
my Speed back from Janice to drive. Since she has bent at least 2
wheels on the base going to work I will have to be replacing the wheels
too.
=09=20
I was thinking 15" or 16" with the most rubber I can fit.
=09=20
Bill, I thought you were using 16x7 with Kumho MX tires. I
don't see those tires in that size. What exactly is it you are running
on the Speed. Wheel size and offset and tire size and brand please???
Any rubbing issues that would stop me from using the same size on a
street driver??
=09=20
thanks
=09=20
=09=20
Larry
=09=20
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
=09=20
LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
=09

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>=20=20
To: Larry Alster <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Chris P
<mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted) ;
(email redacted)=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size

245/45-16
=09=09=20

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20

=09=09=20

________________________________

From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:23 AM
To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted);
(email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
=09=09
=09=09
With what size tire???
=09=09=20
=09=09=20
Larry
=09=09=20
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+
Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
=09=09=20
LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
=09=09

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>

To: Chris P <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
(email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size

We're running 16x7.5 comps.
=09=09=09=20

TurboDog's Dad=20
Bill Cardell=20
www.flyinmiata.com=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S=20
970-242-3800=20

=09=09=09=20

________________________________

From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
To: (email redacted);
(email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
=09=09=09
=09=09=09
ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04
wheels which i really like, although i'd like it if they stuck out more
(less offset). anyway, i just want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and
as much additional width as these rims can properly handle. i was
hoping to find someone who already went through this, but i have yet to
check mazda-speed site which i will. thanks for the replies!
=09=09=09=20
hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset
with those 245's or whatever?
=09=09=09=20
=09=09=09=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted) ;
(email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size

=09=09=09=09
In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49
P.M. Eastern Standard Time, (email redacted) writes:

=09=09=09=09
ok, here are some of my imagined
plusses:
=09=09=09=09=20
1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill
up the well's just a little more
=09=09=09=09=20
2) noise. the car mnakes a
humming/howling sound that gets louder on braking. im fairly certain its
the tires (what else could it be ona 3500 mile car?)
=09=09=09=09=20
3) rim protection. i've read about many
bent rims on mazda-speed.com i figure a deeper tire would help a little
=09=09=09=09=20

RE: 1. New Wheels with different
offset.
2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes!
Wheel bearings don't get louder under braking.
3. You say that you want to go
from 205 to 225. you may be making the tire too tall if you don't go to
a lower aspect ratio. Suggest you compare the sizes using Tirerack's
spec page. It shows width, height, aspect ratio, turning radius,
weight, etc.... Doesn't matter that Tirerack doesn't sell Toyo or
whatever brand you want, the turning radius/aspect ratio would be
similar, not exact but similar.
Whatever you decide, whether
different wheels, different tires, or both, you're gonna be spending
money, so research it first and you'll feel better about having spent
the bucks.=20=20
Good luck, and think about offering your
stock wheels and/or tires for sale; that could offset the cost somewhat.

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>

We were limited to tires available from Tire Rack. I don't know if the
S-03 would be our first choice, but 245/45-16 is a hard size to find. We
could have used 245/40-17 but that would have required 8" wide wheels.
Not in the budget.

The sidewall stiffness of the S-03 and Azenis will certainly help fight
wallowing. Can't say the same about the T1-R.

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Yates [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:32 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size

also psst
you can get a Toyo T1R in a 235/35-16. That's pretty darn close to
stock diameter!

ec-securehost.com/OnlineTires.com/Toyo_PROXES_T1-R.html

I wonder if the 35 series sidewall reduces the wallowy feel compared to
the SO3 or Azenis...

Matt

Keith Tanner said:
> Pssst!
> flyinmiata.com/projects/supertuner05/specs.php
> flyinmiata.com/wheels/comp-S03.php
>
>
> Keith Tanner
> Flyin' Miata
> (email redacted)
> <mailto:keith@flyinmiata.comflyinmiata.com>
> flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/> 1-800-FLY-MX5s=20
> (orders) 1-970-242-3800 (tech)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:15 AM
> To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted);=20
> (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> Okay, now that we're getting a new OTM in the house I might get
my=20
> Speed back from Janice to drive. Since she has bent at least 2 wheels

> on the base going to work I will have to be replacing the wheels too.
>
> I was thinking 15" or 16" with the most rubber I can fit.
>
> Bill, I thought you were using 16x7 with Kumho MX tires. I
don't see=20
> those tires in that size. What exactly is it you are running on the=20
> Speed. Wheel size and offset and tire size and brand please???
> Any rubbing issues that would stop me from using the same size on a=20
> street driver??
>
> thanks
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>
> To: Larry Alster <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Chris P=20
> <mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted) ;=20
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:09 AM
> Subject: RE: MSM Tire size
>
> 245/45-16
>
>
> TurboDog's Dad
> Bill Cardell
> www.flyinmiata.com
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> 970-242-3800
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:23 AM
> To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted);=20
> (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> With what size tire???
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+
> Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>
>
> To: Chris P <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
(email redacted) ;=20
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:40 PM
> Subject: RE: MSM Tire size
>
> We're running 16x7.5 comps.
>
>
> TurboDog's Dad
> Bill Cardell
> www.flyinmiata.com
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> 970-242-3800
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
> To: (email redacted);
> (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04
wheels which i=20
> really like, although i'd like it if they stuck out more (less=20
> offset). anyway, i just want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and as=20
> much additional width as these rims can properly handle. i was hoping

> to find someone who already went through this, but i have yet to check

> mazda-speed site which i will. thanks for the replies!
>
> hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset
with those 245's=20
> or whatever?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: (email redacted)
> To: (email redacted) ;
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49
P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
> (email redacted) writes:
>
>
> ok, here are some of my imagined
> plusses:
>
> 1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill
up the well's just a little=20
> more
>
> 2) noise. the car mnakes a
> humming/howling sound that gets louder on braking. im fairly certain=20
> its the tires (what else could it be ona 3500 mile car?)
>
> 3) rim protection. i've read about many
bent rims on=20
> mazda-speed.com i figure a deeper tire would help a little
>
>
> RE: 1. New Wheels with different
offset.
> 2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes!
> Wheel bearings don't get louder under braking.
> 3. You say that you want to go
from 205 to 225. you may=20
> be making the tire too tall if you don't go to a lower aspect ratio.=20=
=20
> Suggest you compare the sizes using Tirerack's spec page. It shows=20=20
> width, height, aspect ratio, turning radius, weight, etc.... Doesn't=20
> matter that Tirerack doesn't sell Toyo or whatever brand you want, the

> turning radius/aspect ratio would be similar, not exact but similar.
> Whatever you decide, whether
different wheels, different=20
> tires, or both, you're gonna be spending money, so research it first=20
> and you'll feel better about having spent the bucks.
> Good luck, and think about offering your
stock wheels and/or tires=20
> for sale; that could offset the cost somewhat.
>
>

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

Don't see Azenis in that size


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Keith Tanner=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size


We were limited to tires available from Tire Rack. I don't know if the
S-03 would be our first choice, but 245/45-16 is a hard size to find. We
could have used 245/40-17 but that would have required 8" wide wheels.
Not in the budget.

The sidewall stiffness of the S-03 and Azenis will certainly help fight
wallowing. Can't say the same about the T1-R.

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Yates [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:32 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: MSM Tire size

also psst
you can get a Toyo T1R in a 235/35-16. That's pretty darn close to
stock diameter!

ec-securehost.com/OnlineTires.com/Toyo_PROXES_T1-R.html

I wonder if the 35 series sidewall reduces the wallowy feel compared to
the SO3 or Azenis...

Matt

Keith Tanner said:
> Pssst!
> flyinmiata.com/projects/supertuner05/specs.php
> flyinmiata.com/wheels/comp-S03.php
>
>
> Keith Tanner
> Flyin' Miata
> (email redacted)
> <mailto:keith@flyinmiata.comflyinmiata.com>
> flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/> 1-800-FLY-MX5s=
=20
> (orders) 1-970-242-3800 (tech)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:15 AM
> To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted);=20
> (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> Okay, now that we're getting a new OTM in the house I might get
my=20
> Speed back from Janice to drive. Since she has bent at least 2 wheels

> on the base going to work I will have to be replacing the wheels too.
>
> I was thinking 15" or 16" with the most rubber I can fit.
>
> Bill, I thought you were using 16x7 with Kumho MX tires. I
don't see=20
> those tires in that size. What exactly is it you are running on the=20
> Speed. Wheel size and offset and tire size and brand please???
> Any rubbing issues that would stop me from using the same size on a=20
> street driver??
>
> thanks
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>
> To: Larry Alster <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Chris P=20
> <mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted) ;=20
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:09 AM
> Subject: RE: MSM Tire size
>
> 245/45-16
>
>
> TurboDog's Dad
> Bill Cardell
> www.flyinmiata.com
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> 970-242-3800
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:23 AM
> To: Bill Cardell; Chris P; (email redacted);=20
> (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> With what size tire???
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+
> Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Cardell <mailto:(email redacted)>
>
> To: Chris P <mailto:(email redacted)> ;
(email redacted) ;=20
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:40 PM
> Subject: RE: MSM Tire size
>
> We're running 16x7.5 comps.
>
>
> TurboDog's Dad
> Bill Cardell
> www.flyinmiata.com
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S
> 970-242-3800
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Chris P [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:07 PM
> To: (email redacted);
> (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> ok well i just traded the 05 wheels for these 04
wheels which i=20
> really like, although i'd like it if they stuck out more (less=20
> offset). anyway, i just want maybe 3/4" or so more diameter and as=20
> much additional width as these rims can properly handle. i was hoping

> to find someone who already went through this, but i have yet to check

> mazda-speed site which i will. thanks for the replies!
>
> hey what does FM's car use for wheels and offset
with those 245's=20
> or whatever?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: (email redacted)
> To: (email redacted) ;
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>
>
> In a message dated 5/31/2006 8:27:49
P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
> (email redacted) writes:
>
>
> ok, here are some of my imagined
> plusses:
>
> 1) size/appearance... i'd like to fill
up the well's just a little=20
> more
>
> 2) noise. the car mnakes a
> humming/howling sound that gets louder on braking. im fairly certain=20
> its the tires (what else could it be ona 3500 mile car?)
>
> 3) rim protection. i've read about many
bent rims on=20
> mazda-speed.com i figure a deeper tire would help a little
>
>
> RE: 1. New Wheels with different
offset.
> 2. LOUDER on braking? Brakes!
> Wheel bearings don't get louder under braking.
> 3. You say that you want to go
from 205 to 225. you may=20
> be making the tire too tall if you don't go to a lower aspect ratio.=20=
=20
> Suggest you compare the sizes using Tirerack's spec page. It shows=20=
=20
> width, height, aspect ratio, turning radius, weight, etc.... Doesn't=20
> matter that Tirerack doesn't sell Toyo or whatever brand you want, the

> turning radius/aspect ratio would be similar, not exact but similar.
> Whatever you decide, whether
different wheels, different=20
> tires, or both, you're gonna be spending money, so research it first=20
> and you'll feel better about having spent the bucks.
> Good luck, and think about offering your
stock wheels and/or tires=20
> for sale; that could offset the cost somewhat.
>
>

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Mail From: NoGood <(email redacted)>


On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Keith Tanner wrote:

> We were limited to tires available from Tire Rack. I don't know if the
> S-03 would be our first choice, but 245/45-16 is a hard size to find.
> We
> could have used 245/40-17 but that would have required 8" wide wheels.
> Not in the budget.

Well if you were limited in 245 choices why didn't you look at the real
size of the tire and not the rated size. Real tire sizes can vary
significantly from their rated sizes.

Your favorite tire doesn't have a Tread width? The tire companies that
don't publish tread widths typically are undersized for their rated
sizes. This isn't such an issue in the smaller Miata tire sizes but
can become an issue at 205-225 and definitely is an issue in 245s.

I haven't done the research for this size but this might have opened up
a few doors. I found that on my 18" rims (on another car) actual sizes
varied by almost 2". I ended up with BMW spec tires on the front and
Porsche spec tires on the rear.

Goodyear and Michelin tend to be narrow for their rated sizes.
Bridgestone makes a lot of special sizes for OEM so many times if you
get one of those it is much wider than rated. I can send you a pdf of
the S02s that shows this very clearly.

Another issue is that the S03 is a very heavy tire.

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Mail From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>

Give me a little credit. I did look at real sizes. Tire Rack lists them
for every tire they sell, by the way, and tire manufacturers usually
provide them on their own websites. That's how we chose what we ran. I
have a spreadsheet that shows not only rated sizes, but also all the
other dimensions of all other tires being considered.=20

The S03 is heavy, yes. But given the constraints placed upon us, it
worked out as the best choice for that car. Since you do not operate
under these same constraints, feel free to select a different solution
for your own car.=20

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)


-----Original Message-----
From: NoGood [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:05 AM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MSM Tire size


On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Keith Tanner wrote:

> We were limited to tires available from Tire Rack. I don't know if the
> S-03 would be our first choice, but 245/45-16 is a hard size to find.=20
> We
> could have used 245/40-17 but that would have required 8" wide wheels.
> Not in the budget.

Well if you were limited in 245 choices why didn't you look at the real
size of the tire and not the rated size. Real tire sizes can vary
significantly from their rated sizes.

Your favorite tire doesn't have a Tread width? The tire companies that
don't publish tread widths typically are undersized for their rated
sizes. This isn't such an issue in the smaller Miata tire sizes but can
become an issue at 205-225 and definitely is an issue in 245s.

I haven't done the research for this size but this might have opened up
a few doors. I found that on my 18" rims (on another car) actual sizes
varied by almost 2". I ended up with BMW spec tires on the front and
Porsche spec tires on the rear.

Goodyear and Michelin tend to be narrow for their rated sizes.=20=20
Bridgestone makes a lot of special sizes for OEM so many times if you
get one of those it is much wider than rated. I can send you a pdf of
the S02s that shows this very clearly.

Another issue is that the S03 is a very heavy tire.

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Mail From: NoGood <(email redacted)>


On Jun 2, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Keith Tanner wrote:

> Give me a little credit. I did look at real sizes.

Well, I wasn't sure. Most people are surprised that actual tire sizes
vary.


> Tire Rack lists them
> for every tire they sell, by the way, and tire manufacturers usually
> provide them on their own websites. That's how we chose what we ran. I
> have a spreadsheet that shows not only rated sizes, but also all the
> other dimensions of all other tires being considered.

Yes, it is amazing what kind of work it takes to get the right
size/type tire anymore. Oh, wait, that's a plus because now we truly
can match tires to our needs. Unfortunately a lot of the major brands
don't give real sizes on their websites. Goodyear doesn't/didn't for
their F1 and the Goodyear store near me had to find a set in stock and
manually measure them. Surprise! Surprise! They are one of the brands
that undersizes their tires.

>
> The S03 is heavy, yes. But given the constraints placed upon us, it
> worked out as the best choice for that car. Since you do not operate
> under these same constraints, feel free to select a different solution
> for your own car.

I wasn't criticizing, just trying to make sure you were aware of
options. Like I said, most people aren't and simply look for a certain
rated size never knowing that some major brand tires are WAY
undersized!

BFG KDs are undersized in some sizes. On my S2000 I found out the hard
way that the 245 x 16 rear tire is almost a full inch narrower than a
225 x 16 OEM S02. The 225 KD was almost exactly the same size as the
OEM 205 fronts. Not knowing this I bought the next size up thinking I
was getting wider tires but instead I just bought myself terminal
oversteer. It was a great tire but the sizing just threw the stagger
way off. Had I put them on the Miata, since all 4 corners would have
been the same size, they would have been fabulous tires.

Wasting $$$ is the easiest way to teach me a lesson!

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Yah, my 195 mm Neovas had a wider tread than my 205 mm Azenis.

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Real tire sizes can vary significantly from their rated sizes.
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The Goodyear F1s are very narrow for their size in the 225 rating

On Jun 2, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Jason C wrote:

> How about 225/50/16?=A0 Would that fit?
> Azenis and Goodyear F1GSD3 are both available in this size.
> =A0
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Larry Alster
>> To: Bill Cardell ; Chris P ; (email redacted) ;=20
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>> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: MSM Tire size
>>
>> Okay, now that we're getting a new OTM in the house I might get my=20
>> Speed back from Janice to drive.=A0 Since she has bent at least 2=20
>> wheels on the base going to work I will have to be replacing the=20
>> wheels too.
>> =A0
>> I was thinking 15" or 16" with the most rubber I can fit.
>> =A0
>> Bill, I thought you were using 16x7 with Kumho MX tires.=A0 I don't see=
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>> those tires in that size.=A0 What exactly is it you are running on the=
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>> Speed.=A0 Wheel size and offset and tire size and brand please???=A0 Any=
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>> rubbing issues that would stop me from using the same size on a=20
>> street driver??
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