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Mail From: "Burgess, Michael L." <(email redacted)>

I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
head and other pieces of the car.


Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
stuff in each cylinder.

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
of the cylinder walls :-(

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is the
carbon released by the cleaner?

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touched
it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
midpoint when I put the cleaner in.

Anyone ever experience this?

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
:-( I guess it doesn't matter.

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.

Mike Burgess


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MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!I'm assuming this stu=
ff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but could you wear gloves and =
wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see if it cleans off???


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Burgess, Michael L.=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM
Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon=
off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my=
head and other pieces of the car.



Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of th=
e stuff in each cylinder.=20

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who post=
ed them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?=20

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the res=
t of the cylinder walls :-(=20

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is =
the carbon released by the cleaner?=20

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touc=
hed it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definit=
ely more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the mid=
point when I put the cleaner in.=20

Anyone ever experience this?=20

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk n=
ow :-( I guess it doesn't matter.=20

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.=20

Mike Burgess=20


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Yes, I remember reading something about 'Liver damage' on the side of the
can yesterday.

I went through like 4 pair of latex and nitrile gloves. Stuff is nasty.
Discolors metals if you leave them exposed too long.

As a side experiment I put a baffle off of my newly Aluminum Oxide coated
(other post) valve cover. Well the baffle was clean one day. a few days
later the metal is starting to deform and discolor...but you cannot feel the
difference like you can on the walls.

Cotton rag would be ok on the cylinder surface?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I'm assuming this stuff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but could
you wear gloves and wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see if it
cleans off???


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
<lowcountrymiataclub.net>
Masters Miata
RAGS 074


----- Original Message -----
From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM
Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
head and other pieces of the car.


Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
stuff in each cylinder.

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
of the cylinder walls :-(

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is the
carbon released by the cleaner?

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touched
it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
midpoint when I put the cleaner in.

Anyone ever experience this?

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
:-( I guess it doesn't matter.

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.

Mike Burgess


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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!I don't see why not, =
your not scrubbing it with a brillo pad, right?? :)


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Burgess, Michael L.=20
To: 'Larry Alster' ; Burgess, Michael L. ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


Yes, I remember reading something about 'Liver damage' on the side of the=
can yesterday.

I went through like 4 pair of latex and nitrile gloves. Stuff is nasty. =
Discolors metals if you leave them exposed too long.

As a side experiment I put a baffle off of my newly Aluminum Oxide coated=
(other post) valve cover. Well the baffle was clean one day. a few days =
later the metal is starting to deform and discolor...but you cannot feel th=
e difference like you can on the walls.

Cotton rag would be ok on the cylinder surface?

Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I'm assuming this stuff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but c=
ould you wear gloves and wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see=
if it cleans off???


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Burgess, Michael L.=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM
Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the ca=
rbon off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now wit=
h my head and other pieces of the car.



Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" o=
f the stuff in each cylinder.=20

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who =
posted them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cle=
aner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?=20

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the=
rest of the cylinder walls :-(=20

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it=
is the carbon released by the cleaner?=20

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only =
touched it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is def=
initely more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the=
midpoint when I put the cleaner in.=20

Anyone ever experience this?=20

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is ju=
nk now :-( I guess it doesn't matter.=20

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.=
=20

Mike Burgess=20


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Mail From: "Burgess, Michael L." <(email redacted)>

No I did that yesterday. ;-) hah.

I will report back. I put some oil on top of the pistons last night to lube
things up. I'll see what happens later.

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I don't see why not, your not scrubbing it with a brillo pad, right?? :)


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
<lowcountrymiataclub.net>
Masters Miata
RAGS 074


----- Original Message -----
From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>
To: 'Larry Alster' <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Burgess, Michael L.
<mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted)
<mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Yes, I remember reading something about 'Liver damage' on the side of the
can yesterday.

I went through like 4 pair of latex and nitrile gloves. Stuff is nasty.
Discolors metals if you leave them exposed too long.

As a side experiment I put a baffle off of my newly Aluminum Oxide coated
(other post) valve cover. Well the baffle was clean one day. a few days
later the metal is starting to deform and discolor...but you cannot feel the
difference like you can on the walls.

Cotton rag would be ok on the cylinder surface?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I'm assuming this stuff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but could
you wear gloves and wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see if it
cleans off???


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
<lowcountrymiataclub.net>
Masters Miata
RAGS 074


----- Original Message -----
From: Burgess, Michael <mailto:(email redacted)> L.
To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM
Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
head and other pieces of the car.


Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
stuff in each cylinder.

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
of the cylinder walls :-(

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is the
carbon released by the cleaner?

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touched
it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
midpoint when I put the cleaner in.

Anyone ever experience this?

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
:-( I guess it doesn't matter.

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.

Mike Burgess


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I'd lube it like others have suggested and then spin the motor by hand to
see if you can feel any binding as it goes past the "ring". To be honest
it will likely just wear away very quickly on startup if it's residue.

Mark



On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Burgess, Michael L. wrote:

> I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
> off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
> head and other pieces of the car.
>
>
> Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
> stuff in each cylinder.
>
> Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
> them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.
>
> Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?
>
> You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
> of the cylinder walls :-(
>
> Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is the
> carbon released by the cleaner?
>
> I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touched
> it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
> more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.
>
> It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
> midpoint when I put the cleaner in.
>
> Anyone ever experience this?
>
> I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
> :-( I guess it doesn't matter.
>
> Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.
>
> Mike Burgess
>
>
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One of the kitchen-appproved Scotch-brite pads would be ok too, and more
agressive than cotton cloth.

>From: "Burgess, Michael L." <(email redacted)>
>To: 'Larry Alster' <(email redacted)>,"Burgess, Michael L."
><(email redacted)>,(email redacted)
>Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:27:55 -0500
>
>No I did that yesterday. ;-) hah.
>
>I will report back. I put some oil on top of the pistons last night to
>lube
>things up. I'll see what happens later.
>
>-Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM
>To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>
>
>I don't see why not, your not scrubbing it with a brillo pad, right?? :)
>
>
>Larry
>
>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
>Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
>LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
><lowcountrymiataclub.net>
>Masters Miata
>RAGS 074
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>
>To: 'Larry Alster' <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Burgess, Michael L.
><mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted)
><mailto:(email redacted)>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:21 AM
>Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>
>Yes, I remember reading something about 'Liver damage' on the side of the
>can yesterday.
>
>I went through like 4 pair of latex and nitrile gloves. Stuff is nasty.
>Discolors metals if you leave them exposed too long.
>
>As a side experiment I put a baffle off of my newly Aluminum Oxide coated
>(other post) valve cover. Well the baffle was clean one day. a few days
>later the metal is starting to deform and discolor...but you cannot feel
>the
>difference like you can on the walls.
>
>Cotton rag would be ok on the cylinder surface?
>
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 AM
>To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>
>
>I'm assuming this stuff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but could
>you wear gloves and wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see if
>it
>cleans off???
>
>
>Larry
>
>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow J.R. M45
>Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
>LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
><lowcountrymiataclub.net>
>Masters Miata
>RAGS 074
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Burgess, Michael <mailto:(email redacted)> L.
>To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM
>Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>
>
>I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
>off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
>head and other pieces of the car.
>
>
>Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
>stuff in each cylinder.
>
>Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
>them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.
>
>Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?
>
>You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
>of the cylinder walls :-(
>
>Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is
>the
>carbon released by the cleaner?
>
>I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only
>touched
>it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
>more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.
>
>It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
>midpoint when I put the cleaner in.
>
>Anyone ever experience this?
>
>I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
>:-( I guess it doesn't matter.
>
>Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.
>
>Mike Burgess
>
>
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I did that very thing last night. I filled the cylinders with 1/2" or so of
oil. Then spun the engine around I did it very gently. Felt ZERO bind.

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:02 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



I'd lube it like others have suggested and then spin the motor by hand to
see if you can feel any binding as it goes past the "ring". To be honest
it will likely just wear away very quickly on startup if it's residue.

Mark



On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Burgess, Michael L. wrote:

> I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
> off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
> head and other pieces of the car.
>
>
> Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
> stuff in each cylinder.
>
> Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who
posted
> them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.
>
> Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?
>
> You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
> of the cylinder walls :-(
>
> Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is
the
> carbon released by the cleaner?
>
> I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only
touched
> it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
> more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.
>
> It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
> midpoint when I put the cleaner in.
>
> Anyone ever experience this?
>
> I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk
now
> :-( I guess it doesn't matter.
>
> Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.
>
> Mike Burgess
>
>
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Depending on how long you let it sit and how hygroscopic the cleaner is, the
cylinder walls may have corroded. I had a similar problem last year with
gasket remover. I sprayed some on the deck of the block to facilitate
removal of the head gasket residue, and when I returned the next morning
some had oozed down into the cylinders. No big deal, right? Not quite.
There was severe pitting in all 4 cylinders wherever the gasket remover came
in contact with them from what looked like rust. I ended up having to get
it bored and install .060 pistons (had .040 previously).

=20

Jeremy

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:28 AM
To: 'Larry Alster'; Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

=20

No I did that yesterday. ;-) hah.

=20

I will report back. I put some oil on top of the pistons last night to lube
things up. I'll see what happens later.

=20

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

I don't see why not, your not scrubbing it with a brillo pad, right?? :)

=20

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Larry

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From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>=20=
=20

To: 'Larry Alster' <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Burgess, Michael L.
<mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted)=
=20

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:21 AM

Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

=20

Yes, I remember reading something about 'Liver damage' on the side of the
can yesterday.

=20

I went through like 4 pair of latex and nitrile gloves. Stuff is nasty.
Discolors metals if you leave them exposed too long.

=20

As a side experiment I put a baffle off of my newly Aluminum Oxide coated
(other post) valve cover. Well the baffle was clean one day. a few days
later the metal is starting to deform and discolor...but you cannot feel the
difference like you can on the walls.

=20

Cotton rag would be ok on the cylinder surface?

=20

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

I'm assuming this stuff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but could
you wear gloves and wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see if it
cleans off???

=20

=20

Larry

=20

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From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>=20=
=20

To: (email redacted)=20

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM

Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

=20

I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
head and other pieces of the car.

=20

Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
stuff in each cylinder.=20

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?=20

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
of the cylinder walls :-(=20

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is the
carbon released by the cleaner?=20

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touched
it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
midpoint when I put the cleaner in.=20

Anyone ever experience this?=20

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
:-( I guess it doesn't matter.=20

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.=20

Mike Burgess=20


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Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible. And
get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike

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From: Jeremy Schuster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:04 AM
To: 'Burgess, Michael L.'; 'Larry Alster'; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Depending on how long you let it sit and how hygroscopic the cleaner is, the
cylinder walls may have corroded. I had a similar problem last year with
gasket remover. I sprayed some on the deck of the block to facilitate
removal of the head gasket residue, and when I returned the next morning
some had oozed down into the cylinders. No big deal, right? Not quite.
There was severe pitting in all 4 cylinders wherever the gasket remover came
in contact with them from what looked like rust. I ended up having to get
it bored and install .060 pistons (had .040 previously).



Jeremy



-----Original Message-----
From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:28 AM
To: 'Larry Alster'; Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



No I did that yesterday. ;-) hah.



I will report back. I put some oil on top of the pistons last night to lube
things up. I'll see what happens later.



-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

I don't see why not, your not scrubbing it with a brillo pad, right?? :)





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To: 'Larry Alster' <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Burgess, Michael L.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:21 AM

Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Yes, I remember reading something about 'Liver damage' on the side of the
can yesterday.



I went through like 4 pair of latex and nitrile gloves. Stuff is nasty.
Discolors metals if you leave them exposed too long.



As a side experiment I put a baffle off of my newly Aluminum Oxide coated
(other post) valve cover. Well the baffle was clean one day. a few days
later the metal is starting to deform and discolor...but you cannot feel the
difference like you can on the walls.



Cotton rag would be ok on the cylinder surface?



Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:14 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

I'm assuming this stuff is pretty nasty stuff so care is required but could
you wear gloves and wet a rag with some and try wiping the ring to see if it
cleans off???





Larry



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----- Original Message -----

From: Burgess, Michael <mailto:(email redacted)> L.

To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:03 AM

Subject: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



I decided to try the MOPAR Combustion Chamber Cleaner to clean the carbon
off the top of my pistons since I have so much down time right now with my
head and other pieces of the car.



Well....like it has been done before I filled up about 1/4" to 1/2" of the
stuff in each cylinder.

Well the pistons all came out almost as great as those pics from who posted
them before---except there is a RING of stuff left behind by the cleaner.

Now is it possible this stuff ATE material off of my piston wall?

You can feel it to the touch. The line/mark is not as smoothe as the rest
of the cylinder walls :-(

Maybe I had the Cleaner on too long in the piston cavities? Maybe it is the
carbon released by the cleaner?

I didn't try scrubbing it since it is a polished surface, and I only touched
it with my finger. The was will the wall oiled down. There is definitely
more friction to the touch in this area I am talking about.

It is 1/2 way down the cylinder wall since I had all 4 pistons at the
midpoint when I put the cleaner in.

Anyone ever experience this?

I luckily only have this in chambers 2 and 3, but if the engine is junk now
:-( I guess it doesn't matter.

Any comments appreciated. I can get some pics later today if needed.

Mike Burgess


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MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!Unless the pits are p=
retty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I think coating it with oil=
is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40 everyone is bagging on. So=
mething to displace any water that might be there and protect stuff a bit. =
I guess you might even try polishing it off (perhaps a polishing head on a=
dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure =
that any competant machine shop can take off so little you'll never notice.=
Just get it "honed". I think it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anyt=
hing you need as part of the process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some deep s=
cratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it after. If y=
ou DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the diameter where you po=
lished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out of spec or out of round=
- but if you remove that much material with a dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Burgess, Michael L.=20


Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible. And=
get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike

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Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders and
it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4 pistons.

When It rains it pours.

So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my current
pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?

I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please say
it.

And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same DAY!

I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.

No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.

Thanks.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40
everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can
take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out
of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.

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From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>



Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike




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Sorry Mike I hadn't seen these posts.



No that has never happened to me but I never felt for it either. I've never
left it in more than about 12 hrs total but not because I was ever afraid of
it eating my block. I'd clean it up and move the pistons around cleaning it
up as much as you can with the softest cloth you have.







Tom



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From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:24 PM
To: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders and
it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4 pistons.

When It rains it pours.

So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my current
pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?

I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please say
it.

And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same DAY!

I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.

No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.

Thanks.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40
everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can
take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out
of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.

----- Original Message -----
From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>



Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike





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Well I used a cotton cloth, not a rotary tool or anything, just by hand.
And well its only bad really on cyl's 2 and 3, but just having (1) is bad
enough.

I guess I really screwed up and left it in too long then huh? I must have
circled the crank 100 times with oil on top of the pistons--there seems to
be a friction spot...but could that be caused by the oil making some type of
suction/seal as its moving w/ the piston?

Am I pulling the block and buying new pistons? bearings? rods?

Or am I bolting it back together until things start smoking b/c my pistons
rings have become shot.

:-(

:-(

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Reynolds
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Sorry Mike I hadn't seen these posts.



No that has never happened to me but I never felt for it either. I've
never left it in more than about 12 hrs total but not because I was ever
afraid of it eating my block. I'd clean it up and move the pistons
around cleaning it up as much as you can with the softest cloth you
have.







Tom



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From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:24 PM
To: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
and it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4
pistons.

When It rains it pours.

So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my
current pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?

I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please
say it.

And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same
DAY!

I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.

No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.

Thanks.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40

everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can

take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out

of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.

----- Original Message -----
From: Burgess, Michael L. < mailto:(email redacted)
<mailto:(email redacted)> >



Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike





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The friction is probably something else. I'd do what I originally suggested
and bolt it back up, drive it about 30-50 miles and then change the oil and
oil filter. You'll know pretty fast if it's a problem I think.







Tom



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From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:59 PM
To: 'Tom Reynolds '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Well I used a cotton cloth, not a rotary tool or anything, just by hand.
And well its only bad really on cyl's 2 and 3, but just having (1) is bad
enough.

I guess I really screwed up and left it in too long then huh? I must have
circled the crank 100 times with oil on top of the pistons--there seems to
be a friction spot...but could that be caused by the oil making some type of
suction/seal as its moving w/ the piston?

Am I pulling the block and buying new pistons? bearings? rods?

Or am I bolting it back together until things start smoking b/c my pistons
rings have become shot.

:-(

:-(

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Reynolds
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Sorry Mike I hadn't seen these posts.



No that has never happened to me but I never felt for it either. I've
never left it in more than about 12 hrs total but not because I was ever
afraid of it eating my block. I'd clean it up and move the pistons
around cleaning it up as much as you can with the softest cloth you
have.







Tom



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From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:24 PM
To: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
and it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4
pistons.

When It rains it pours.

So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my
current pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?

I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please
say it.

And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same
DAY!

I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.

No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.

Thanks.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40

everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can

take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out

of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.

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Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike





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On Mar 30, 2005 "Tom Reynolds" wrote:
> The friction is probably something else. I'd do what I originally suggested
> and bolt it back up, drive it about 30-50 miles and then change the oil and
> oil filter. You'll know pretty fast if it's a problem I think.

FWIW, I did the Mopar combustion chamber cleaner thing when I had the
head off a month ago. I didn't leave the stuff in there more than maybe
six hours (although only because I didn't want to leave the fumes in the
garage unattended). When I was done, there was a noticable color change
on the cylinder walls, but it didn't feel any different to my fingers,
or when moving the crank around. The head's back on the car now, and
I've filled up the gas tank at least three times, so it's done probably
500 miles and it's not obviously smoking or consuming massive quantities
of oil. I'm taking it to Thunderhill on Monday, so we'll see how it
does with a hundred miles of track use.

I'd say bolt it up and see how it goes. If it dies then all it'll cost
you is a head gasket, right? That is, unless you're looking for an
excuse to overbore and build the bottom end. :)

--Ian

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I would try polishing it - you'd be amazed what would come off - the nice
part is unless you do anything horrific to it, the very worst case you'll be
in is the same as you were before - needing to take it to a machinist and
having it honed. I doubt very much you'll need boring - and a good
machinist will accept the directions fine: Hone it if you can, bore it if
you have to. Very rarely have I found a good machinist to be a bad thing.
:-)



I think polishing will have more sucsess than you think - I've seen it take
out some VERY nasty stuff before, and leave everything very smooth.



Worst case, yes, pull the block, drop the crank, get everything cleaned and
honed (and don't miss the opportunity to BALANCE THE MOTOR! I've been so
incredibly happy with my balancing (for only $100) that I would almost pull
a motor just to do it). You can reuse your pistons - no reason not to - as
long as it's an old enough car to have low compression (pre 99), I wouldn't
change the pistons or the rods unless you really do want differential
breaking power levels. Then all you'll need is new rings - I got mine from
MazdaComp for around $100. Put it back together, don't forget to
plastiguage everything, and you'll drive with confidence knowing you have a
good-as-new motor in your car, that'll purr like a kitten and you'll barely
be able to tell it's running most of the time. The total expense is low and
will give you much piece of mind. Probably only take the shop 1-3 days to
do. Might as well give them your clutch and flywheel when you do the
balancing. Same cost and it'll turn out much better.



Er, and don't forget to gap the rings. :-) People will say rude things to
you (some of them deserved) if you muck that one up. Anyways, don't stress,
the worst you're looking at it $300, and it'll make it easy to install
MazdaSpeed motor mounts.



-Abe.



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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:59 PM
To: 'Tom Reynolds '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Well I used a cotton cloth, not a rotary tool or anything, just by hand.
And well its only bad really on cyl's 2 and 3, but just having (1) is bad
enough.

I guess I really screwed up and left it in too long then huh? I must have
circled the crank 100 times with oil on top of the pistons--there seems to
be a friction spot...but could that be caused by the oil making some type of
suction/seal as its moving w/ the piston?

Am I pulling the block and buying new pistons? bearings? rods?

Or am I bolting it back together until things start smoking b/c my pistons
rings have become shot.

:-(

:-(

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Reynolds
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Sorry Mike I hadn't seen these posts.



No that has never happened to me but I never felt for it either. I've
never left it in more than about 12 hrs total but not because I was ever
afraid of it eating my block. I'd clean it up and move the pistons
around cleaning it up as much as you can with the softest cloth you
have.







Tom



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From: Burgess, Michael L. [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:24 PM
To: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
and it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4
pistons.

When It rains it pours.

So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my
current pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?

I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please
say it.

And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same
DAY!

I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.

No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.

Thanks.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40

everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can

take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out

of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.

----- Original Message -----
From: Burgess, Michael L. < mailto:(email redacted)
<mailto:(email redacted)> >



Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike





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Wow I did mine last weak and I have and I would describe it the way you did.
I didn't leave it on for more than about 8 hours. but I did it a couple of
times.
It had low compression on the center two cylinders and popped a couple of
coolant hoses under full load prior when it wasn't overheating. I'm pretty
sure it was a head gasket issue and the head had warped from spewing
coolant. replaced the head and she seem happy again.

I got about 250 miles on it now and I will be at Thunderhill with it Monday.
See you there.

Bob Bundy

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From: "Ian McCloghrie" <(email redacted)>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


> On Mar 30, 2005 "Tom Reynolds" wrote:
> > The friction is probably something else. I'd do what I originally
suggested
> > and bolt it back up, drive it about 30-50 miles and then change the oil
and
> > oil filter. You'll know pretty fast if it's a problem I think.
>
> FWIW, I did the Mopar combustion chamber cleaner thing when I had the
> head off a month ago. I didn't leave the stuff in there more than maybe
> six hours (although only because I didn't want to leave the fumes in the
> garage unattended). When I was done, there was a noticable color change
> on the cylinder walls, but it didn't feel any different to my fingers,
> or when moving the crank around. The head's back on the car now, and
> I've filled up the gas tank at least three times, so it's done probably
> 500 miles and it's not obviously smoking or consuming massive quantities
> of oil. I'm taking it to Thunderhill on Monday, so we'll see how it
> does with a hundred miles of track use.
>
> I'd say bolt it up and see how it goes. If it dies then all it'll cost
> you is a head gasket, right? That is, unless you're looking for an
> excuse to overbore and build the bottom end. :)
>
> --Ian

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When I used the stuff, I let it sit for 12-24 hours each time before
cleaning it out. It didn't discolor or leave any deposits on the cylinder
walls at all.

Weird.

lagunamiata.home.att.net



>From: "Burgess, Michael L." <(email redacted)>
>To: 'Abraham Mara ' <(email redacted)>,"'(email redacted)
>'" <(email redacted)>
>Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:24:00 -0500
>
> Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
>and
>it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4 pistons.
>
>When It rains it pours.
>
>So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my current
>pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?
>
>I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please say
>it.
>
>And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same DAY!
>
>I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
>formal complaint depending on what we decide here.
>
>No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
>chambers'....argh.
>
>Thanks.
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Abraham Mara
>To: (email redacted)
>Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
>Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!
>
>Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
>think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40
>everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
>there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
>off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
>else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can
>take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
>it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
>process (give them that head, too?)...
>
>When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
>deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
>after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
>diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out
>of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
>dremel I'll be impressed.
> -Abe.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>
>
>
>
>Oh great.
>
>I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
>And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.
>
>How did the pitting feel to the touch?
>
>I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.
>
>?
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
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Bob,

So you had this 'line' / 'discoloration' as well left over from the
MOPAR's? Could you feel the line or was it only something you could see?

You *can* feel mine.

Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Bundy [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:36 AM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


Wow I did mine last weak and I have and I would describe it the way you did.
I didn't leave it on for more than about 8 hours. but I did it a couple of
times.
It had low compression on the center two cylinders and popped a couple of
coolant hoses under full load prior when it wasn't overheating. I'm pretty
sure it was a head gasket issue and the head had warped from spewing
coolant. replaced the head and she seem happy again.

I got about 250 miles on it now and I will be at Thunderhill with it Monday.
See you there.

Bob Bundy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian McCloghrie" <(email redacted)>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


> On Mar 30, 2005 "Tom Reynolds" wrote:
> > The friction is probably something else. I'd do what I originally
suggested
> > and bolt it back up, drive it about 30-50 miles and then change the oil
and
> > oil filter. You'll know pretty fast if it's a problem I think.
>
> FWIW, I did the Mopar combustion chamber cleaner thing when I had the
> head off a month ago. I didn't leave the stuff in there more than maybe
> six hours (although only because I didn't want to leave the fumes in the
> garage unattended). When I was done, there was a noticable color change
> on the cylinder walls, but it didn't feel any different to my fingers,
> or when moving the crank around. The head's back on the car now, and
> I've filled up the gas tank at least three times, so it's done probably
> 500 miles and it's not obviously smoking or consuming massive quantities
> of oil. I'm taking it to Thunderhill on Monday, so we'll see how it
> does with a hundred miles of track use.
>
> I'd say bolt it up and see how it goes. If it dies then all it'll cost
> you is a head gasket, right? That is, unless you're looking for an
> excuse to overbore and build the bottom end. :)
>
> --Ian


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Is the ring raised or a pit? If raised, I'm sure you can get it off
(obviously it was liquid enough to become a ring). If it's a pit, I'd say
it's overbore time..

Does the can give a time frame, i.e. let sit for xx minutes?

Wally




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RE: MOPAR combustion chamber
cleaner at my cylinder walls!










Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
and it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4
pistons.


When It rains it pours.


So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my current
pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?


I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please say
it.


And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same DAY!


I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.


No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.


Thanks.
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40
everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can
take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out
of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.


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From: Burgess, Michael L. <mailto:(email redacted)>






Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.

?

Mike








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Raised or pitted I cannot be sure.

All I know is there is a frictional difference.

The only engine I am boring out is a 1.8 1mm to 1.5 mm...and going ALL OUT.

No more 1.6

I'm sure my engine is/will be fine.

I am no longer affraid of the light.

Mike

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Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


Is the ring raised or a pit? If raised, I'm sure you can get it off
(obviously it was liquid enough to become a ring). If it's a pit, I'd say
it's overbore time..

Does the can give a time frame, i.e. let sit for xx minutes?

Wally




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Subject
RE: MOPAR combustion chamber
cleaner at my cylinder walls!










Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
and it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4
pistons.


When It rains it pours.


So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my current
pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?


I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please say
it.


And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same DAY!


I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.


No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.


Thanks.
Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40
everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can
take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...

When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out
of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.


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Oh great.

I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.

How did the pitting feel to the touch?

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?

Mike








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... till you realize the light is coming from an engine fire. ;)

Good Luck, buddy! Sounds like the prevailing thought is to put it back
together and not look back... If it's raised, I'd bet it wouldn't be for
long once you fire it back up.

Wallyman




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Raised or pitted I cannot be sure.


All I know is there is a frictional difference.


The only engine I am boring out is a 1.8 1mm to 1.5 mm...and going ALL OUT.


No more 1.6


I'm sure my engine is/will be fine.


I am no longer affraid of the light.


Mike


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Is the ring raised or a pit? If raised, I'm sure you can get it off
(obviously it was liquid enough to become a ring). If it's a pit, I'd say
it's overbore time..


Does the can give a time frame, i.e. let sit for xx minutes?


Wally







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RE: MOPAR combustion chamber
cleaner at my cylinder walls!













Ok well scrubbing didn't work. There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders
and it turns out there **IS** a friction point at mid stroke for all 4
pistons.





When It rains it pours.





So what are my options here? The friction is going to wear out my current
pistons and I'm going to be blowing by and burning oil shortly?





I look forward to the responses. If you have something to say please say
it.





And for those about to clean their pistons off...DO IT all in the same DAY!





I'm going to contact the manufacturer of MOPAR's stuff tomorrow with a
formal complaint depending on what we decide here.





No where on the can does it say it will EAT, or DISTORT 'combustion
chambers'....argh.





Thanks.
Mike





-----Original Message-----
From: Abraham Mara
To: (email redacted)
Sent: 3/30/2005 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!





Unless the pits are pretty deep, I doubt it'd need to be overbored. I
think coating it with oil is a good instinct - perhaps some of the WD-40
everyone is bagging on. Something to displace any water that might be
there and protect stuff a bit. I guess you might even try polishing it
off (perhaps a polishing head on a dremel?? I dunno, see what everyone
else thinks!). Worst case, I'm sure that any competant machine shop can
take off so little you'll never notice. Just get it "honed". I think
it's like $80, and they'll blast clean anything you need as part of the
process (give them that head, too?)...


When I screwed up and put the oversized rings in my motor I had some
deep scratches, but they took it right out and I had them measure it
after. If you DID polish it out, you can have a shop measure the
diameter where you polished and where you didn't to tell you if it's out
of spec or out of round - but if you remove that much material with a
dremel I'll be impressed.
-Abe.





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Oh great.


I think I will have to try to remove it by hand first...if possible.
And get some pics. Otherwise. SOL I guess.


How did the pitting feel to the touch?


I let it sit long enough to drain past the rings and into the oil pan.


?


Mike











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Michael,

Can you determine if the rings are raised deposits or etched grooves in
the cylinder walls?


On Wednesday, March 30, 2005, at 10:24 PM, Burgess, Michael L. wrote:

> There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders and it turns out there **IS**
> a friction point at mid stroke for all 4 pistons.

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They must be raised deposits b/c I can feel them when the pistons go by only
when going super slow. When I move the piston somewhat faster, there is no
noticeable drag.

Mike

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Cc: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



Michael,


Can you determine if the rings are raised deposits or etched grooves in the
cylinder walls?



On Wednesday, March 30, 2005, at 10:24 PM, Burgess, Michael L. wrote:


There is a 'ring' in all four cylinders and it turns out there **IS** a
friction point at mid stroke for all 4 pistons.


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I find it hard to believe, but I think Wally is right -

If they are raised deposits, the must be composed of material that was=20
suspended in the cleaner liquid. If they were loosened and suspended=20
before, it makes sense that they could be loosened and washed away with=20
the same solvent.

The time factor might be uncomfortable for doing this by hand, but a=20
small test area could be tested with a saturated cotton ball/pad=20
covered with something to reduce the evaporative rate. If the test were=20
successful, then you could go ahead and clean all four cylinders. If=20
the test proves unsuccessful, you have already determined your course=20
of action.

The best of luck, and keep us posted.


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> They must be raised deposits b/c I can feel them when the pistons go=20
> by only when going super slow.=A0 When I move the piston somewhat=20
> faster, there is no noticeable drag.
> =A0
> Mike
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Ok. So I will hit a test section with MOPARs again to see if I can get the
material to go away. If it is pitting. Well...we'll determine that if need
be.

Thanks for all your help..everyone.


Mike

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:36 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.
Cc: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!



I find it hard to believe, but I think Wally is right -


If they are raised deposits, the must be composed of material that was
suspended in the cleaner liquid. If they were loosened and suspended before,
it makes sense that they could be loosened and washed away with the same
solvent.


The time factor might be uncomfortable for doing this by hand, but a small
test area could be tested with a saturated cotton ball/pad covered with
something to reduce the evaporative rate. If the test were successful, then
you could go ahead and clean all four cylinders. If the test proves
unsuccessful, you have already determined your course of action.


The best of luck, and keep us posted.



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They must be raised deposits b/c I can feel them when the pistons go by only
when going super slow. When I move the piston somewhat faster, there is no
noticeable drag.



Mike



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=93I find it hard to believe, but I think Wally is right=94

/me prepares for the world to end today=85

Seriously though that makes sense, the carbon taken off the pistons was
suspended in the solution and then dried on the cylinder wall. You could
MCCC it off or just run the engine. Either way I don=92t think it=92s a pro=
blem.



Tom

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:36 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.
Cc: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

I find it hard to believe, but I think Wally is right -

If they are raised deposits, the must be composed of material that was
suspended in the cleaner liquid. If they were loosened and suspended before,
it makes sense that they could be loosened and washed away with the same
solvent.

The time factor might be uncomfortable for doing this by hand, but a small
test area could be tested with a saturated cotton ball/pad covered with
something to reduce the evaporative rate. If the test were successful, then
you could go ahead and clean all four cylinders. If the test proves
unsuccessful, you have already determined your course of action.

The best of luck, and keep us posted.


On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Burgess, Michael L. wrote:
They must be raised deposits b/c I can feel them when the pistons go by only
when going super slow.=A0 When I move the piston somewhat faster, there is =
no
noticeable drag.
=A0
Mike

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What would be the first signs of damage cause by this though, if I'm wrong?

Blue smoke? Burnt oil stink from exhaust?

Mike

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From: Tom Reynolds [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:42 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!


"I find it hard to believe, but I think Wally is right"

/me prepares for the world to end today...

Seriously though that makes sense, the carbon taken off the pistons was
suspended in the solution and then dried on the cylinder wall. You could
MCCC it off or just run the engine. Either way I don't think it's a problem.



Tom

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:36 AM
To: Burgess, Michael L.
Cc: 'Abraham Mara '; '(email redacted) '
Subject: Re: MOPAR combustion chamber cleaner at my cylinder walls!

I find it hard to believe, but I think Wally is right -

If they are raised deposits, the must be composed of material that was
suspended in the cleaner liquid. If they were loosened and suspended before,
it makes sense that they could be loosened and washed away with the same
solvent.

The time factor might be uncomfortable for doing this by hand, but a small
test area could be tested with a saturated cotton ball/pad covered with
something to reduce the evaporative rate. If the test were successful, then
you could go ahead and clean all four cylinders. If the test proves
unsuccessful, you have already determined your course of action.

The best of luck, and keep us posted.


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when going super slow.=A0 When I move the piston somewhat faster, there is =
no
noticeable drag.
=A0
Mike



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