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Mail From: "Marc Kulak" <(email redacted)>

Hi Folks,

I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!

I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
if I have a hope in hell of winning.

I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
folloed me for a minute of so..
Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
anyone offer any help?

Thanks,

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
Performance....

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Mail From: Keith Tanner <(email redacted)>

Welcome to the US :) It's a difficult mindset to understand when you're from
Ontario. Pretty much all of North America is hooked up, so any speeding
ticket is going to show up on your record.

I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my tickets as
I've earned every one of them.
Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata / Flyin' Protege
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
flyinprotege.com <flyinprotege.com/>
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: December 7, 2003 19:51
To: (email redacted)
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police


Hi Folks,

I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back on
Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police and he
charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as I was
going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to him and
he would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar or
discuss it with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kept
it as I did not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very
disappointed and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I
just found out that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my
car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very
pissed!!!

I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if I
have a hope in hell of winning...

I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in the
opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and folloed me for
a minute of so..
Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a court
date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to court,
will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they want
to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any help?

Thanks,

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....

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Mail From: "Marc Kulak" <(email redacted)>

I'm still quite shocked.. While I deserved something.. I did not earn
the full amount. Only New York and Michigan are hooked up with
Ontario.. I'll remember than next time :-), I'm in the USA quite often
and usually on long drives. I was just surprised he nailed me to the
wall with a big ticket, if I was in Ontario, the cop would have probably
reduce the charge on the spot.. Very different.. I think he figured..
There is no way this guy is coming back to fight it.

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
Performance....

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Tanner [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: December 7, 2003 9:54 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: Michigan State Police

Welcome to the US :) It's a difficult mindset to understand when you're
from Ontario. Pretty much all of North America is hooked up, so any
speeding ticket is going to show up on your record.

I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my
tickets as I've earned every one of them.
Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata / Flyin' Protege
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
flyinprotege.com <flyinprotege.com/>
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: December 7, 2003 19:51
To: (email redacted)
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
Hi Folks,

I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!

I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
if I have a hope in hell of winning...

I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
folloed me for a minute of so..
Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
anyone offer any help?

Thanks,

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
Performance....

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Mail From: LUKE JAY MARTIN <(email redacted)>

In WI (not sure if it applies to MI) the best means to fight a ticket is plead not guilty, then plea bargain out with the D.A. Of course, it usually means that you have to take a driver's ed course, but a lot of times you can get rid of the points, which is key to keeping the insurance down. Not sure if it's worth all that trouble to you though.

Luke

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2003 8:51 pm
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police

> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and
> drove back
> on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> Policeand he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite
> upset with
> this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> rentalvan to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
> Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
> to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not
> used to
> this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
> has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and
> driver'slicense in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> if I have a hope in hell of winning.
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me
> going in
> the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> folloed me for a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> show-up
> to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> convicted or
> will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
> anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> Performance....
>
>

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Mail From: "Robert Mangas" <(email redacted)>


If it'd be really bad for you to get a ticket then consider getting a local
lawyer; you may not even have to come back for anything. It'll cost.

I always fight them and generally get some reduction but they just launched
a new enforcement initiative in the face of massive state budget shortfalls
which may not bode well. Good luck.

Robert

>From: "Marc Kulak" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:51:12 -0500
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
>on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
>and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
>this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
>explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
>van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
>Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
>to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
>this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
>has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
>license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
>I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
>if I have a hope in hell of winning.
>
>I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
>the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
>folloed me for a minute of so..
>Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
>court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
>to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
>will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
>anyone offer any help?
>
>Thanks,
>
>__________________
>Later, Marc
>TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
>1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
>Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
>Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
>2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
>2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
>Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
>Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
>North America's Fastest Miata
>Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
>Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
>Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
>Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
>Performance....
>

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Mail From: "Mark V. Mellinger" <(email redacted)>

What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than highway saf=
ety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review your options. =
I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can you ge=
t a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I emailed the court=
asking for the names of lawyers who could represent me. When I got the li=
st I called the court clerk to feel out who did a lot of this work in that =
court. It cost me several hundred but i got the charge reduced.

Mark

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marc Kulak=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police


Hi Folks,

=20=20=20

I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back =
on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police an=
d he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as=
I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to h=
im and he would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar o=
r discuss it with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kep=
t it as I did not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am ver=
y disappointed and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. =
I just found out that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect m=
y car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pis=
sed!!!

=20=20=20

I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if=
I have a hope in hell of winning.

=20=20=20

I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in t=
he opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and folloed me=
for a minute of so..

Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a cour=
t date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to cour=
t, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they w=
ant to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any =
help?

=20=20=20

Thanks,

=20=20=20

__________________

Later, Marc

TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...

1990 Mazda Miata Turbo

Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202

Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph

2003 CSCS Super Street Champion

2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up

Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata

Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda

North America's Fastest Miata

Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing=
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bul=
ly Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground C=
ontrol, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....

=20=20=20

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Mail From: "Fred Hubert" <(email redacted)>

I fought a ticket in Florida via mail and won. I was in the Navy at the
time, so perhaps it was a courtesy they extended military personnel. But
I didn't have to appear, just filled out a written statement and sent along
a statement from a passenger that was with me... Not sure if this is an
option with MI, but it wouldn't hurt to call and try.

If you can fight it this way, a second statement from a passenger would
likely go a long way...

~ Fred

>-- Original Message --
>From: "Marc Kulak" <(email redacted)>
>To: "'Keith Tanner'" <(email redacted)>,
> <(email redacted)>
>Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:22:45 -0500
>
>
>I'm still quite shocked.. While I deserved something.. I did not earn
>the full amount. Only New York and Michigan are hooked up with
>Ontario.. I'll remember than next time :-), I'm in the USA quite often
>and usually on long drives. I was just surprised he nailed me to the
>wall with a big ticket, if I was in Ontario, the cop would have probably
>reduce the charge on the spot.. Very different.. I think he figured..
>There is no way this guy is coming back to fight it.
>
>__________________
>Later, Marc
>TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
>1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
>Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
>Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
>2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
>2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
>Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
>Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
>North America's Fastest Miata
>Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
>Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
>Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
>Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
>Performance....
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Tanner [mailto:(email redacted)]
>Sent: December 7, 2003 9:54 PM
>To: (email redacted)
>Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
>
>Welcome to the US :) It's a difficult mindset to understand when you're
>from Ontario. Pretty much all of North America is hooked up, so any
>speeding ticket is going to show up on your record.
>
>I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my
>tickets as I've earned every one of them.
>Keith Tanner
>Flyin' Miata / Flyin' Protege
>(email redacted)
>flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
>flyinprotege.com <flyinprotege.com/>
>1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
>1-970-242-3800 (tech)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
>Sent: December 7, 2003 19:51
>To: (email redacted)
>Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>Hi Folks,
>
>I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
>on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
>and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
>this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
>explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
>van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
>Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
>to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
>this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
>has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
>license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
>I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
>if I have a hope in hell of winning...
>
>I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
>the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
>folloed me for a minute of so..
>Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
>court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
>to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
>will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
>anyone offer any help?
>
>Thanks,
>
>__________________
>Later, Marc
>TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
>1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
>Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
>Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
>2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
>2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
>Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
>Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
>North America's Fastest Miata
>Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
>Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
>Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
>Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
>Performance....
>

NewEnglandSynthetics.com
"First In Synthetics"

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

No matter what go to court.

Plead guilty but ask to give an explanation.

Explain you were in a rental van and there is no way you really believe the=
speed you were charged with.
Explain that is likely that you were exceeding the limit but you find it ha=
rd to believe you were really going as fast as the officer said and that he=
refused to let you see the reading for some reason.

You will get a fine, you will get it on your record but usually they will l=
ower the fine and sometimes the point value of the ticket.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
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Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

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RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Marc Kulak=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police


Hi Folks,

=20=20=20

I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back =
on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police an=
d he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as=
I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to h=
im and he would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar o=
r discuss it with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kep=
t it as I did not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am ver=
y disappointed and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. =
I just found out that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect m=
y car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pis=
sed!!!

=20=20=20

I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if=
I have a hope in hell of winning.

=20=20=20

I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in t=
he opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and folloed me=
for a minute of so..

Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a cour=
t date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to cour=
t, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they w=
ant to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any =
help?

=20=20=20

Thanks,

=20=20=20

__________________

Later, Marc

TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...

1990 Mazda Miata Turbo

Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202

Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph

2003 CSCS Super Street Champion

2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up

Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata

Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda

North America's Fastest Miata

Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing=
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bul=
ly Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground C=
ontrol, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....

=20=20=20

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Mail From: "steven krause" <(email redacted)>

i live in michigan. i have plead guilty and asked for a monetary fine with=
out points. the magistrate left it to the officer and he agreed. no point=
s. i had a clean record previously. that was about 5 years ago. it also w=
asn't for a ticket that high.

by law, the police have to show you the radar reading if requested. that m=
ay be the out.

as for asking for the money, i've had it happen in ohio. i've also had to =
surrender my license in ontario once for an infraction. they mailed it bac=
k to me. it's not that uncommon.

steve

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Mail From: "Tom Graham" <(email redacted)>

Perhaps you can find a mistake on the ticket? That and hiring a lawyer is
the only way I think you'll get out of this.

I showed up in court to oppose a bad ticket (really! we crossed a double
yellow on our bikes and the OHP gave us tickets. It was a parade and as we
got the tickets an entire line of cars needed to do the same.) The OHP
didn't show. Judge made us tell our story. He still gave us points. Before
you are guilty you have a chance to face your accuser, if he doesn't show
the case should be dropped. My experience is a lawyer ($) will be needed to
force the court to play by the rules you want to manipulate.

Tom

----- Original Message -----

> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
> on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
> and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
> this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
> van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
> Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
> to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
> this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
> has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
> license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> if I have a hope in hell of winning.
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
> the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> folloed me for a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
> to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
> will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
> anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> Performance....
>
>

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We don't offer a DE course (I've had my share of tickets). Pray you call a
court date and the cop doesn't show, they toss it out.

FWIW, I sent your mail to a good pal of mine that is a State Trooper, I'll
let you know what he says.. same guy that helped me bring the Sub home at
slightly higher than normal speeds. :)

Also, read the ticket very carefully. Check the date at the top and the
bottom, make sure they are both the right day. Make sure time of
infraction is right, as is all the location info. If he got any of that
wrong, you may get it tossed out on a technicality.

Wallyman




LUKE JAY MARTIN
<lukemartin@wisc. To: (email redacted)
edu> cc:
Subject: Re: FW: Michigan State Police
12/07/2003 10:52
PM






In WI (not sure if it applies to MI) the best means to fight a ticket is
plead not guilty, then plea bargain out with the D.A. Of course, it
usually means that you have to take a driver's ed course, but a lot of
times you can get rid of the points, which is key to keeping the insurance
down. Not sure if it's worth all that trouble to you though.

Luke

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2003 8:51 pm
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police

> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and
> drove back
> on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> Policeand he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite
> upset with
> this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> rentalvan to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
> Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
> to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not
> used to
> this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
> has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and
> driver'slicense in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> if I have a hope in hell of winning.
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me
> going in
> the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> folloed me for a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> show-up
> to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> convicted or
> will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
> anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> Performance....
>
>

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Oh, yeah, forgot about that.. $920 million short in the coffers this year..
all our registration fees have increased by some large margin, too..
Seatbelt tickets are $100, IIRC... and I thought Canada was a socialist
state. ;)

Wallyman



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If it'd be really bad for you to get a ticket then consider getting a local

lawyer; you may not even have to come back for anything. It'll cost.

I always fight them and generally get some reduction but they just launched

a new enforcement initiative in the face of massive state budget shortfalls

which may not bode well. Good luck.

Robert

>From: "Marc Kulak" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:51:12 -0500
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
>on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
>and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
>this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
>explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
>van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
>Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
>to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
>this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
>has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
>license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
>I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
>if I have a hope in hell of winning.
>
>I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
>the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
>folloed me for a minute of so..
>Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
>court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
>to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
>will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
>anyone offer any help?
>
>Thanks,
>
>__________________
>Later, Marc
>TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
>1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
>Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
>Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
>2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
>2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
>Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
>Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
>North America's Fastest Miata
>Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
>Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
>Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
>Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
>Performance....
>

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Mail From: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>

Couple things...

As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law enforcement (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state cops are bad as far as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs are worse. Those guys have a real burr up their behind...

If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE fine. In a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an automatic reckless driving ticket. He could have written you up on that too, but he probably realized he was pushing it already. You don't even want to know what one of those will do to your records and insurance.

If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a lawyer. You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record, even if the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.

Ray

_____

From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Marc Kulak
Cc: miatapower list
Subject: Re: Michigan State Police


What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than highway safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review your options. I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can you get a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I emailed the court asking for the names of lawyers who could represent me. When I got the list I called the court clerk to feel out who did a lot of this work in that court. It cost me several hundred but i got the charge reduced.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: FW: Michigan State Police

Hi Folks,

I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!

I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if I have a hope in hell of winning...

I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and folloed me for a minute of so..
Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any help?

Thanks,

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....

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Thge office was in his car and I asked if I could get out of my rental Van and
come to his car, he told me to stay in the car and then when I mentioned to him
that I'm sorry, I don't think I was doing that speed, he told me if I felt so
strong, I could fight the ticket..
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting steven krause <(email redacted)>:

> i live in michigan. i have plead guilty and asked for a monetary fine
> without points. the magistrate left it to the officer and he agreed. no
> points. i had a clean record previously. that was about 5 years ago. it
> also wasn't for a ticket that high.
>
> by law, the police have to show you the radar reading if requested. that may
> be the out.
>
> as for asking for the money, i've had it happen in ohio. i've also had to
> surrender my license in ontario once for an infraction. they mailed it back
> to me. it's not that uncommon.
>
> steve

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When I convert the 28Mph to KMs (Around 46kms over) and put it on my Ontario
License it is a 4 point ticket.. It is bad, but not deadly! I have a clean
record currently and I'm 26 years old.. Points don't really affect insurance
in Ontario, Canada, it is the number of Minor and Major infractions.. I think
this one might fall into Major.. :(

mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm

For info on my demerit point system in Ontario!

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:

> Couple things...
>
> As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law enforcement
> (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state cops are bad as far
> as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs are worse. Those guys have
> a real burr up their behind...
>
> If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE fine. In
> a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an automatic reckless
> driving ticket. He could have written you up on that too, but he probably
> realized he was pushing it already. You don't even want to know what one of
> those will do to your records and insurance.
>
> If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a lawyer.
> You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record, even if
> the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.
>
> Ray
>
> _____
>
> From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
> To: Marc Kulak
> Cc: miatapower list
> Subject: Re: Michigan State Police
>
>
> What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than highway
> safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review your options.
> I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can you get
> a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I emailed the court
> asking for the names of lawyers who could represent me. When I got the list
> I called the court clerk to feel out who did a lot of this work in that
> court. It cost me several hundred but i got the charge reduced.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
> To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
> Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back on
> Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police and he
> charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as I was
> going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to him and he
> would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar or discuss it
> with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did
> not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed
> and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out
> that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and
> driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if I
> have a hope in hell of winning...
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in the
> opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and folloed me for
> a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a court
> date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to court,
> will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they want
> to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
> Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
> Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
> Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
>
>

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Mail From: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>

"Crowding the driver's seat"

I don't get it...the only way I can think of a driver's seat being "crowded" is if the driver is overweight and takes up a lot of space - or is wearing a big fluffy jacket. Can you get a ticket for wearing a big fluffy jacket in Ontario? :-)

P.S. I love all those uplifting and positive signs on the 401..."Fatigue kills!"

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:49 AM
To: Ackley, Ray (R.A.)
Cc: 'Mark V. Mellinger'; 'miatapower list'
Subject: RE: Michigan State Police

When I convert the 28Mph to KMs (Around 46kms over) and put it on my Ontario License it is a 4 point ticket.. It is bad, but not deadly! I have a clean record currently and I'm 26 years old.. Points don't really affect insurance in Ontario, Canada, it is the number of Minor and Major infractions.. I think this one might fall into Major.. :(

mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm

For info on my demerit point system in Ontario!

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:

> Couple things...
>
> As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law
> enforcement (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state
> cops are bad as far as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs
> are worse. Those guys have a real burr up their behind...
>
> If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE
> fine. In a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an
> automatic reckless driving ticket. He could have written you up on
> that too, but he probably realized he was pushing it already. You
> don't even want to know what one of those will do to your records and insurance.
>
> If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a lawyer.
> You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record,
> even if the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.
>
> Ray
>
> _____
>
> From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
> To: Marc Kulak
> Cc: miatapower list
> Subject: Re: Michigan State Police
>
>
> What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than
> highway safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review your options.
> I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can
> you get a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I
> emailed the court asking for the names of lawyers who could represent
> me. When I got the list I called the court clerk to feel out who did
> a lot of this work in that court. It cost me several hundred but i got the charge reduced.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
> To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
> Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove
> back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset
> with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my
> Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in
> US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am
> not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out
> that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> if I have a hope in hell of winning...
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going
> in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> folloed me for a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
>
>

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Mail From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>

I love the 401, both of my race tracks are on the 401.. Sometimes it is hard to
drive the limit in Ontario as everyone drives fast.. You can so 20-25kms over
in Ontario on the highway and you will never get pulled.. If your doing 30kms
over, you will probably get pulled and the cop will knock the ticket down to 15
or 16 over.. Then you goto court and get it knocked down again!!

I love Ontario!!! :) Just don't get caught Street Racing or driving a hopped
up Civic in Metro Toronto or surronding areas, it is worse than been a drug
dealer :)
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:

> "Crowding the driver's seat"
>
> I don't get it...the only way I can think of a driver's seat being "crowded"
> is if the driver is overweight and takes up a lot of space - or is wearing a
> big fluffy jacket. Can you get a ticket for wearing a big fluffy jacket in
> Ontario? :-)
>
> P.S. I love all those uplifting and positive signs on the 401..."Fatigue
> kills!"
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:49 AM
> To: Ackley, Ray (R.A.)
> Cc: 'Mark V. Mellinger'; 'miatapower list'
> Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
>
> When I convert the 28Mph to KMs (Around 46kms over) and put it on my Ontario
> License it is a 4 point ticket.. It is bad, but not deadly! I have a clean
> record currently and I'm 26 years old.. Points don't really affect insurance
> in Ontario, Canada, it is the number of Minor and Major infractions.. I
> think this one might fall into Major.. :(
>
> mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm
>
> For info on my demerit point system in Ontario!
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
> Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
> Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
> Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:
>
> > Couple things...
> >
> > As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law
> > enforcement (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state
> > cops are bad as far as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs
> > are worse. Those guys have a real burr up their behind...
> >
> > If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE
> > fine. In a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an
> > automatic reckless driving ticket. He could have written you up on
> > that too, but he probably realized he was pushing it already. You
> > don't even want to know what one of those will do to your records and
> insurance.
> >
> > If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a lawyer.
>
> > You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record,
> > even if the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
> > To: Marc Kulak
> > Cc: miatapower list
> > Subject: Re: Michigan State Police
> >
> >
> > What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than
> > highway safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review your
> options.
> > I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can
> > you get a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I
> > emailed the court asking for the names of lawyers who could represent
> > me. When I got the list I called the court clerk to feel out who did
> > a lot of this work in that court. It cost me several hundred but i got the
> charge reduced.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
> > To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
> > Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove
> > back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> > Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset
> > with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> > explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> > rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my
> > Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in
> > US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am
> > not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out
> > that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance
> and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
> >
> > I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> > if I have a hope in hell of winning...
> >
> > I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going
> > in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> > folloed me for a minute of so..
> > Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> > court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> > show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> > convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state
> laws.. Can anyone offer any help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > __________________
> > Later, Marc
> > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda North America's Fastest Miata
> > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> > Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> > Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> > Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
> >
> >
>

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Mail From: "Dusty Smith" <(email redacted)>

<html><div style='background-color:'><P>In Georgia, you can *display* your license in leiu of bond, not surrender.&nbsp; Basically, if you don't show up to court, your license is suspended, but they don't confiscate your license on the spot, they just check a little box on the bottom of the ticket that says (suprisingly enough) "License displayed in leiu of bond."&nbsp; They have to actually take you to jail to make you pay the bond (which I was threatened with by a cop when I was 17 and speeding), they can't collect it on the side of the road.&nbsp; The only offense which require immediate surrender of your license is DUI.</P>
<P>As far as fighting your ticket in court, I'm 3 for 5 fighting them.&nbsp; Once because calibration on the unit was out of date, once because the officer didnt perform the required accuracy test before he wrote the ticket out and the third time because the judge just didnt like speed traps.&nbsp; One of the times I didn't win was in a small town in south Georgia where the officer "clocked me" using his rearview mirror at 4am.&nbsp; It turned out he was the judge's nephew.&nbsp; Atleast she didn't give me any points and reduced it to 14mph over after finding me guilty.</P>
<P>If its not too far away from your hometown, I'd say go ahead and fight it.&nbsp; It can only help and usually the DA/solicitor will reduce the ammount, the fine or the points if you have a decent driving record.&nbsp; See the National Motorists Association (<A href="motorists.com/">motorists.com/</A>) for some info on how to fight speeding tickets, as well as pertinant info on Michigan laws and lawyers.&nbsp; There are even some book references IIRC.&nbsp; There are many websites on how to beat speeding tickets, try a google search along the lines of "beat speeding ticket."&nbsp; (<A href="speedingticket.net">www.speedingticket.net</A>) also offers a free "e-book" on how to beat speeding tickets, which is suprisingly insightful and almost 100 pages.<BR><BR>What rental van loaded down with all your crap can go&nbsp;100 anyways?&nbsp; You'd need about&nbsp;5 miles of straightaway in all the van's I've ever been in.&nbsp; </P>
<P>-Dusty Smith</P>
<P>Athens, GA</P>
<P>'92 Red GReddy<BR><BR><BR></P>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P>----Original Message Follows---- </P>
<P>Hi Folks, I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!! I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if I have a hope in hell of winning. I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and folloed me for a minute of so.. Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any help?</P></div><br clear=all><hr> <a href="g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2740??PS=">Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! </a> </html>

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Mail From: Keith Tanner <(email redacted)>

Think bench seats, not buckets :)

I like the big signs that tell you how much it costs to speed. I want to put
a big "BEST VALUE!" sticker up on the one that's the lowest $ per km/h.

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata / Flyin' Protege
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com
flyinprotege.com
1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ackley, Ray (R.A.) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: December 8, 2003 08:54
To: 'Marc Kulak'; Ackley, Ray (R.A.)
Cc: 'Mark V. Mellinger'; 'miatapower list'
Subject: RE: Michigan State Police


"Crowding the driver's seat"

I don't get it...the only way I can think of a driver's seat being "crowded"
is if the driver is overweight and takes up a lot of space - or is wearing a
big fluffy jacket. Can you get a ticket for wearing a big fluffy jacket in
Ontario? :-)

P.S. I love all those uplifting and positive signs on the 401..."Fatigue
kills!"

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:49 AM
To: Ackley, Ray (R.A.)
Cc: 'Mark V. Mellinger'; 'miatapower list'
Subject: RE: Michigan State Police

When I convert the 28Mph to KMs (Around 46kms over) and put it on my Ontario
License it is a 4 point ticket.. It is bad, but not deadly! I have a clean
record currently and I'm 26 years old.. Points don't really affect
insurance in Ontario, Canada, it is the number of Minor and Major
infractions.. I think this one might fall into Major.. :(

mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm

For info on my demerit point system in Ontario!

__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:

> Couple things...
>
> As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law
> enforcement (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state
> cops are bad as far as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs
> are worse. Those guys have a real burr up their behind...
>
> If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE
> fine. In a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an
> automatic reckless driving ticket. He could have written you up on
> that too, but he probably realized he was pushing it already. You
> don't even want to know what one of those will do to your records and
insurance.
>
> If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a
lawyer.
> You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record,
> even if the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.
>
> Ray
>
> _____
>
> From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
> To: Marc Kulak
> Cc: miatapower list
> Subject: Re: Michigan State Police
>
>
> What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than
> highway safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review
your options.
> I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can
> you get a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I
> emailed the court asking for the names of lawyers who could represent
> me. When I got the list I called the court clerk to feel out who did
> a lot of this work in that court. It cost me several hundred but i got
the charge reduced.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
> To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
> Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove
> back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset
> with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my
> Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in
> US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am
> not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out
> that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance
and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> if I have a hope in hell of winning...
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going
> in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> folloed me for a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state
laws.. Can anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
>
>

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Mail From: (email redacted)


I've raced at London's track, and drive the 402/401 to get there.. 140
km/hr or so. ;) I bet in 10 visits to CAN, I've seen a total of 3 OPP
cars... no speed traps, nothin. and you guys have polite drivers! Come up
on someone in the left lane, and they MOVE OVER! Amazing....

I have a pal in Mississauga that got busted in a caravan for 160 km/hr or
so.. there were 7 or 8 cars (F-Bodies), one OPP cruiser bagged them all,
$350ish fine.. ouch.

Wallyman




Marc Kulak
<marc@etdracing.c To: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>
om> cc: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>, "'Mark V. Mellinger'"
<(email redacted)>, "'miatapower list'" <(email redacted)>
12/08/2003 10:58 Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
AM






I love the 401, both of my race tracks are on the 401.. Sometimes it is
hard to
drive the limit in Ontario as everyone drives fast.. You can so 20-25kms
over
in Ontario on the highway and you will never get pulled.. If your doing
30kms
over, you will probably get pulled and the cop will knock the ticket down
to 15
or 16 over.. Then you goto court and get it knocked down again!!

I love Ontario!!! :) Just don't get caught Street Racing or driving a
hopped
up Civic in Metro Toronto or surronding areas, it is worse than been a drug

dealer :)
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing,
Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:

> "Crowding the driver's seat"
>
> I don't get it...the only way I can think of a driver's seat being
"crowded"
> is if the driver is overweight and takes up a lot of space - or is
wearing a
> big fluffy jacket. Can you get a ticket for wearing a big fluffy jacket
in
> Ontario? :-)
>
> P.S. I love all those uplifting and positive signs on the 401..."Fatigue
> kills!"
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:49 AM
> To: Ackley, Ray (R.A.)
> Cc: 'Mark V. Mellinger'; 'miatapower list'
> Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
>
> When I convert the 28Mph to KMs (Around 46kms over) and put it on my
Ontario
> License it is a 4 point ticket.. It is bad, but not deadly! I have a
clean
> record currently and I'm 26 years old.. Points don't really affect
insurance
> in Ontario, Canada, it is the number of Minor and Major infractions.. I
> think this one might fall into Major.. :(
>
> mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm
>
> For info on my demerit point system in Ontario!
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
> Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing,
Bully
> Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
> Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:
>
> > Couple things...
> >
> > As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law
> > enforcement (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state
> > cops are bad as far as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs
> > are worse. Those guys have a real burr up their behind...
> >
> > If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE
> > fine. In a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an
> > automatic reckless driving ticket. He could have written you up on
> > that too, but he probably realized he was pushing it already. You
> > don't even want to know what one of those will do to your records and
> insurance.
> >
> > If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a
lawyer.
>
> > You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record,
> > even if the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
> > To: Marc Kulak
> > Cc: miatapower list
> > Subject: Re: Michigan State Police
> >
> >
> > What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than
> > highway safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review
your
> options.
> > I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can
> > you get a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I
> > emailed the court asking for the names of lawyers who could represent
> > me. When I got the list I called the court clerk to feel out who did
> > a lot of this work in that court. It cost me several hundred but i got
the
> charge reduced.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
> > To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
> > Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove
> > back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> > Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset
> > with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> > explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> > rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my
> > Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in
> > US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am
> > not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out
> > that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car
insurance
> and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
> >
> > I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> > if I have a hope in hell of winning...
> >
> > I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going
> > in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> > folloed me for a minute of so..
> > Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> > court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> > show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> > convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state
> laws.. Can anyone offer any help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > __________________
> > Later, Marc
> > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda North America's Fastest Miata
> > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> > Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> > Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> > Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
Performance....
> >
> >
>

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Mail From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>

How far are you from the London track? I race there the most...
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting (email redacted):

>
> I've raced at London's track, and drive the 402/401 to get there.. 140
> km/hr or so. ;) I bet in 10 visits to CAN, I've seen a total of 3 OPP
> cars... no speed traps, nothin. and you guys have polite drivers! Come up
> on someone in the left lane, and they MOVE OVER! Amazing....
>
> I have a pal in Mississauga that got busted in a caravan for 160 km/hr or
> so.. there were 7 or 8 cars (F-Bodies), one OPP cruiser bagged them all,
> $350ish fine.. ouch.
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
>
> Marc Kulak
>
> <marc@etdracing.c To: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)"
> <(email redacted)>
> om> cc: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)"
> <(email redacted)>, "'Mark V. Mellinger'"
> <(email redacted)>,
> "'miatapower list'" <(email redacted)>
> 12/08/2003 10:58 Subject: RE: Michigan State
> Police
> AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I love the 401, both of my race tracks are on the 401.. Sometimes it is
> hard to
> drive the limit in Ontario as everyone drives fast.. You can so 20-25kms
> over
> in Ontario on the highway and you will never get pulled.. If your doing
> 30kms
> over, you will probably get pulled and the cop will knock the ticket down
> to 15
> or 16 over.. Then you goto court and get it knocked down again!!
>
> I love Ontario!!! :) Just don't get caught Street Racing or driving a
> hopped
> up Civic in Metro Toronto or surronding areas, it is worse than been a drug
>
> dealer :)
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
> Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing,
> Bully
> Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
> Control,
> TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:
>
> > "Crowding the driver's seat"
> >
> > I don't get it...the only way I can think of a driver's seat being
> "crowded"
> > is if the driver is overweight and takes up a lot of space - or is
> wearing a
> > big fluffy jacket. Can you get a ticket for wearing a big fluffy jacket
> in
> > Ontario? :-)
> >
> > P.S. I love all those uplifting and positive signs on the 401..."Fatigue
> > kills!"
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:49 AM
> > To: Ackley, Ray (R.A.)
> > Cc: 'Mark V. Mellinger'; 'miatapower list'
> > Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
> >
> > When I convert the 28Mph to KMs (Around 46kms over) and put it on my
> Ontario
> > License it is a 4 point ticket.. It is bad, but not deadly! I have a
> clean
> > record currently and I'm 26 years old.. Points don't really affect
> insurance
> > in Ontario, Canada, it is the number of Minor and Major infractions.. I
> > think this one might fall into Major.. :(
> >
> > mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm
> >
> > For info on my demerit point system in Ontario!
> >
> > __________________
> > Later, Marc
> > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> > North America's Fastest Miata
> > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
> > Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing,
> Bully
> > Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
> > Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>:
> >
> > > Couple things...
> > >
> > > As a Michigander and someone who used to work for state-wide law
> > > enforcement (in a computer-related capacity) I can say that the state
> > > cops are bad as far as getting off of tickets. Only county sheriffs
> > > are worse. Those guys have a real burr up their behind...
> > >
> > > If he wrote you up for 98 in a 70, that's a huge ticket and a HUGE
> > > fine. In a way you're lucky - more than 15 over the limit is an
> > > automatic reckless driving ticket. He could have written you up on
> > > that too, but he probably realized he was pushing it already. You
> > > don't even want to know what one of those will do to your records and
> > insurance.
> > >
> > > If I were you I would get follow a similar course of action - get a
> lawyer.
> >
> > > You don't want the full impact of this ticket to be on your record,
> > > even if the lawyer fees amount to more in the short term.
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Mark V. Mellinger [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:59 PM
> > > To: Marc Kulak
> > > Cc: miatapower list
> > > Subject: Re: Michigan State Police
> > >
> > >
> > > What a sickening feeling. These are more for local income than
> > > highway safety. It's always best to plead not guilty while you review
> your
> > options.
> > > I don't see how they can keep your license! That's outrageous. Can
> > > you get a new copy? I once got a ticket outside of Buffalo. I
> > > emailed the court asking for the names of lawyers who could represent
> > > me. When I got the list I called the court clerk to feel out who did
> > > a lot of this work in that court. It cost me several hundred but i got
> the
> > charge reduced.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Kulak <mailto:(email redacted)>
> > > To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:51 PM
> > > Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
> > >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove
> > > back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> > > Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset
> > > with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> > > explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> > > rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my
> > > Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in
> > > US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am
> > > not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out
> > > that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car
> insurance
> > and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
> > >
> > > I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> > > if I have a hope in hell of winning...
> > >
> > > I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going
> > > in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> > > folloed me for a minute of so..
> > > Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> > > court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> > > show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> > > convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state
> > laws.. Can anyone offer any help?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > __________________
> > > Later, Marc
> > > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda North America's Fastest Miata
> > > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> > > Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> > > Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> > > Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> Performance....
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Mail From: Vijay Iyer <(email redacted)>

Was the cop moving in the other direction, or was he sitting in the
median? I believe that most radar systems must be used when stationary and
are invalid otherwise. You may want to look into the law from that angle.

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Marc Kulak wrote:

> I'm still quite shocked.. While I deserved something.. I did not earn
> the full amount. Only New York and Michigan are hooked up with
> Ontario.. I'll remember than next time :-), I'm in the USA quite often
> and usually on long drives. I was just surprised he nailed me to the
> wall with a big ticket, if I was in Ontario, the cop would have probably
> reduce the charge on the spot.. Very different.. I think he figured..
> There is no way this guy is coming back to fight it.
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> Performance....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Tanner [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: December 7, 2003 9:54 PM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
>
> Welcome to the US :) It's a difficult mindset to understand when you're
> from Ontario. Pretty much all of North America is hooked up, so any
> speeding ticket is going to show up on your record.
>
> I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my
> tickets as I've earned every one of them.
> Keith Tanner
> Flyin' Miata / Flyin' Protege
> (email redacted)
> flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
> flyinprotege.com <flyinprotege.com/>
> 1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
> 1-970-242-3800 (tech)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: December 7, 2003 19:51
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
> Hi Folks,
>
> I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
> on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
> and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
> this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
> van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
> Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
> to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
> this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
> has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
> license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
>
> I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> if I have a hope in hell of winning...
>
> I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
> the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> folloed me for a minute of so..
> Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
> to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
> will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
> anyone offer any help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> __________________
> Later, Marc
> TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> North America's Fastest Miata
> Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> Performance....
>
>

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Mail From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>

I think he was moving, but I'm not 100% sure.. I noticed him as he was driving
across the grass 4x4 stylez!!
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting Vijay Iyer <(email redacted)>:

> Was the cop moving in the other direction, or was he sitting in the
> median? I believe that most radar systems must be used when stationary and
> are invalid otherwise. You may want to look into the law from that angle.
>
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Marc Kulak wrote:
>
> > I'm still quite shocked.. While I deserved something.. I did not earn
> > the full amount. Only New York and Michigan are hooked up with
> > Ontario.. I'll remember than next time :-), I'm in the USA quite often
> > and usually on long drives. I was just surprised he nailed me to the
> > wall with a big ticket, if I was in Ontario, the cop would have probably
> > reduce the charge on the spot.. Very different.. I think he figured..
> > There is no way this guy is coming back to fight it.
> >
> > __________________
> > Later, Marc
> > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> > North America's Fastest Miata
> > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> > Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> > Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> > Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> > Performance....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Tanner [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: December 7, 2003 9:54 PM
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Subject: RE: Michigan State Police
> >
> > Welcome to the US :) It's a difficult mindset to understand when you're
> > from Ontario. Pretty much all of North America is hooked up, so any
> > speeding ticket is going to show up on your record.
> >
> > I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my
> > tickets as I've earned every one of them.
> > Keith Tanner
> > Flyin' Miata / Flyin' Protege
> > (email redacted)
> > flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
> > flyinprotege.com <flyinprotege.com/>
> > 1-800-FLY-MX5s (orders)
> > 1-970-242-3800 (tech)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Kulak [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: December 7, 2003 19:51
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back
> > on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police
> > and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with
> > this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> > explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental
> > van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
> > Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
> > to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to
> > this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
> > has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's
> > license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
> >
> > I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> > if I have a hope in hell of winning...
> >
> > I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in
> > the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> > folloed me for a minute of so..
> > Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> > court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up
> > to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or
> > will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
> > anyone offer any help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > __________________
> > Later, Marc
> > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> > North America's Fastest Miata
> > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> > Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> > Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> > Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> > Performance....
> >
> >
>

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Mail From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>

So not fair... Look how far I have to drive to fight this..

mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?
go=1&do=nw&ct=NA&1y=US&1a=5660+VIVIAN+RD&1c=Stouffville&1s=ON&1z=L4A+7X4&1ah=&2y
=US&2a=110+East+Mack+Street&2c=Corunna&2s=Mi&2z=48817&2ah=

I spoke to the courts, $176 fine!
I was think about getting an informal hearing with the officer and the court
(No Lawyers), and see if we can get the tickets knocked down .. Seems like a
lot of BS..
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing, Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....




Quoting (email redacted):

>
> We don't offer a DE course (I've had my share of tickets). Pray you call a
> court date and the cop doesn't show, they toss it out.
>
> FWIW, I sent your mail to a good pal of mine that is a State Trooper, I'll
> let you know what he says.. same guy that helped me bring the Sub home at
> slightly higher than normal speeds. :)
>
> Also, read the ticket very carefully. Check the date at the top and the
> bottom, make sure they are both the right day. Make sure time of
> infraction is right, as is all the location info. If he got any of that
> wrong, you may get it tossed out on a technicality.
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
>
> LUKE JAY MARTIN
>
> <lukemartin@wisc. To:
> (email redacted)
>
> edu> cc:
>
> Subject: Re: FW: Michigan
> State Police
> 12/07/2003 10:52
>
> PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In WI (not sure if it applies to MI) the best means to fight a ticket is
> plead not guilty, then plea bargain out with the D.A. Of course, it
> usually means that you have to take a driver's ed course, but a lot of
> times you can get rid of the points, which is key to keeping the insurance
> down. Not sure if it's worth all that trouble to you though.
>
> Luke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Kulak <(email redacted)>
> Date: Sunday, December 7, 2003 8:51 pm
> Subject: FW: Michigan State Police
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and
> > drove back
> > on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State
> > Policeand he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite
> > upset with
> > this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I
> > explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my
> > rentalvan to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario
> > Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH
> > to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not
> > used to
> > this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario
> > has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and
> > driver'slicense in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!!
> >
> > I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know
> > if I have a hope in hell of winning.
> >
> > I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me
> > going in
> > the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite quickly and
> > folloed me for a minute of so..
> > Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a
> > court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't
> > show-up
> > to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and
> > convicted or
> > will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can
> > anyone offer any help?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > __________________
> > Later, Marc
> > TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
> > 1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
> > Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
> > Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
> > 2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
> > 2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
> > Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
> > Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
> > North America's Fastest Miata
> > Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO
> > Racing Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD
> > Racing, Bully Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous
> > Express, Ground Control, TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner
> > Performance....
> >
> >
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The way the process works is you mail it back as "not guilty" [mail it the
last possible date you can, helps to drag out before points are assessed]
and then they schedule an informal hearing [usually a month to 3 out] with
the Magistrate and the cop and you.. you got any witnesses with you, BTW?
If the cop is a no-show, you win be default [The ONLY way I've won] So, the
magistrate decides guilty or not after hearing both sides. If he/she
shafts you, you still have the legal right to request a formal trial, with
a judge. BUT you pay costs ad crap if you lose. One thing to remember, as
far as I know, is that the points don't get assigned to your license until
you are finally found guilty.. so if you drag out the first 6 months in
this process, you really only have 1.5 years of those points being on the
license, since they are from the date of infraction but not given to you
till guilty... not 100% sure on that, but I believe that is how it works.

Good Grief, where the heck were you when you got busted? You gotta go
almost to Lansing?? Ugh. That's like an hour and half from my house! 481
miles... vs. $176 and 4 points? Tough call. FWIW, there isn't any way to
reduce it with driving schools or anything.. so whatever you walk out with
it what you get.

One thing that might work in your favor (maybe!) is that you are such a
serious racer.. and that you have the clean record.

"Judge, I go 100 on the drag strip, not the highway! I was going with the
flow of traffic [not a legal reason, but it helps if true].. yes, I was
speeding, but not 98!"

Might do you a favor, might seal your fate.. you just never know. :)

Wallyman





Marc Kulak
<marc@etdracing.c To: (email redacted)
om> cc: LUKE JAY MARTIN <(email redacted)>, (email redacted)
Subject: Re: FW: Michigan State Police
12/08/2003 02:29
PM






So not fair... Look how far I have to drive to fight this..

mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?
go=1&do=nw&ct=NA&1y=US&1a=5660+VIVIAN+RD&1c=Stouffville&1s=ON&1z=L4A+7X4&1ah
=&2y
=US&2a=110+East+Mack+Street&2c=Corunna&2s=Mi&2z=48817&2ah=

I spoke to the courts, $176 fine!
I was think about getting an informal hearing with the officer and the
court
(No Lawyers), and see if we can get the tickets knocked down .. Seems like
a
lot of BS..
__________________
Later, Marc
TurboMiata Motorsports - Home of The Flamin' Tomato...
1990 Mazda Miata Turbo
Best 1/4 Mile ET - 11.202
Best 1/4 Mile Mph - 131.20Mph
2003 CSCS Super Street Champion
2003 NCRA Pro-Street Runner-up
Canada's Quickest and Fastest Miata
Canada's Quickest Piston Powered Mazda
North America's Fastest Miata
Sponsored by Pro Racing Fuels, Flex-a-lite, Unorthodox Racing, FJO Racing
Electronics, KVR Performance, Mother's Inc., Tokico (USA), ETD Racing,
Bully
Clutch, BFGoodrich Tires, Vibrant Performance, Nitrous Express, Ground
Control,
TurboSmart/JRP and Stewart Warner Performance....

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From: "Ackley, Ray (R.A.)" <(email redacted)>
> P.S. I love all those uplifting and positive signs on the 401..."Fatigue
kills!"
>
> Ray
>

And that's why it's better to drive fast.. to get to your destination faster
and spend less time on the road! Most accidents do happen on the latter
part of long journeys.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Tanner

>> I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my tickets
as I've earned >> every one of them.

Would you still feel you earned them if the speed limit was a more realistic
130-140 kph / 80-87 mph like in Europe?

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Mail From: David Colby <(email redacted)>

As far as fighting it, my experience is its not worth it... I DE, reduced fine, etc... but usually the points stick... I have been without my DL twice in my life and have not rec'd a ticket for 5 years... Knock on wood! I do my speeding on the track!

David

Dusty Smith <(email redacted)> wrote:

In Georgia, you can *display* your license in leiu of bond, not surrender. Basically, if you don't show up to court, your license is suspended, but they don't confiscate your license on the spot, they just check a little box on the bottom of the ticket that says (suprisingly enough) "License displayed in leiu of bond." They have to actually take you to jail to make you pay the bond (which I was threatened with by a cop when I was 17 and speeding), they can't collect it on the side of the road. The only offense which require immediate surrender of your license is DUI.

As far as fighting your ticket in court, I'm 3 for 5 fighting them. Once because calibration on the unit was out of date, once because the officer didnt perform the required accuracy test before he wrote the ticket out and the third time because the judge just didnt like speed traps. One of the times I didn't win was in a small town in south Georgia where the officer "clocked me" using his rearview mirror at 4am. It turned out he was the judge's nephew. Atleast she didn't give me any points and reduced it to 14mph over after finding me guilty.

If its not too far away from your hometown, I'd say go ahead and fight it. It can only help and usually the DA/solicitor will reduce the ammount, the fine or the points if you have a decent driving record. See the National Motorists Association (motorists.com/) for some info on how to fight speeding tickets, as well as pertinant info on Michigan laws and lawyers. There are even some book references IIRC. There are many websites on how to beat speeding tickets, try a google search along the lines of "beat speeding ticket." (www.speedingticket.net) also offers a free "e-book" on how to beat speeding tickets, which is suprisingly insightful and almost 100 pages.

What rental van loaded down with all your crap can go 100 anyways? You'd need about 5 miles of straightaway in all the van's I've ever been in.

-Dusty Smith

Athens, GA

'92 Red GReddy





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Hi Folks, I drove to Indianapolis, IN this weekend for the PRI show and drove back on Sunday. On the way back I got pulled over by a Michigan State Police and he charged me with 98Mph in a 70Mph Zone. I am quite upset with this, as I was going 85 in a 70. (Yeah, I was still speeding) I explained this to him and he would not even let me get out of my rental van to see the radar or discuss it with him. He took my Ontario Driver's License from me and kept it as I did not $100 left in US CASH to post a bond (I had $93) I am very disappointed and I am not used to this type of thing in Ontario, CANADA. I just found out that Ontario has a partner program and this will affect my car insurance and driver's license in Ontario, Canada.. I'm now very pissed!!! I really don't want to have to drive back to fight it, as I don't know if I have a hope in hell of winning. I was going North on 69, he was South on 69, he must of got me going in the opposite direction and he corssed the grass quite
quickly and folloed me for a minute of so.. Do I have any chance of getting off this ticket.. Shall I ask for a court date to prolong this going on my record? What if I don't show-up to court, will I just get mailed a bill or the ticket and convicted or will they want to arrest me? I have no idea of MI state laws.. Can anyone offer any help?



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Mail From: Keith Tanner <(email redacted)>

If the limit's clearly posted and I decide to drive faster than that - and
get caught - then I earned it. If the limit is higher then I'm less likely
to exceed it, but it's still a decision that I make.

It's called taking responsibility for your actions.

Keith Tanner
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From: Jason C [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: December 8, 2003 14:43
To: Keith Tanner; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Michigan State Police


----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Tanner

>> I can't offer any advice on fighting it. I've always just paid my tickets
as I've earned >> every one of them.

Would you still feel you earned them if the speed limit was a more realistic
130-140 kph / 80-87 mph like in Europe?