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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>


Mel Hoagland wrote:
>
> OK, please bear with me. Do you mean longitudinally, or would this be a side-to-side movement? Jonny Hinojosa asked earlier about movement when the clutch is depressed and the engine running. Would this be an alternate (or better) means of checking?
>
> Thanks, Bill
>
> Mel
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Dealer Alternative
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Mail From: "Jonny Hinojosa" <(email redacted)>

With the engine running, how much movement should I see at the pulley on the
other end, when I depress the clutch??

TIA

Jonny

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Mail From: The Dealer Alternative <(email redacted)>

Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.

Jonny Hinojosa wrote:

> With the engine running, how much movement should I see at the pulley
> on the other end, when I depress the clutch??TIA Jonny

--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
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Mail From: "Jonny Hinojosa" <(email redacted)>

So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000 miles?

Jonny
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The Dealer Alternative
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
To: Jonny Hinojosa
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:

With the engine running, how much movement should I see at the pulley
on the other end, when I depress the clutch??TIA Jonny
--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
970-242-3800 tech inquiries
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only

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Mail From: The Dealer Alternative <(email redacted)>

That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the infamous
thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like very bad
timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly dealers?

Jonny Hinojosa wrote:

> So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000
> miles?Jonny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The
> Dealer Alternative
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
> To: Jonny Hinojosa
> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
>
> Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
>
> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>
> > With the engine running, how much movement should I see at
> > the pulley on the other end, when I depress the
> > clutch??TIA Jonny
>
> --
> Bill Cardell
> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> Grand Junction, CO
> dlralt.com
> 200mphmiata.net
> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>
>
--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
970-242-3800 tech inquiries
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only

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Mail From: "Jonny Hinojosa" <(email redacted)>

Clint (of the Houston Clints) has managed to get this problem taken care of.
I'll hold off on the turbo install 'till this all flushes out.
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The Dealer Alternative
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 2:59 PM
To: Jonny Hinojosa
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the infamous
thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like very bad timing
on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly dealers?
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:

So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000
miles?Jonny
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The Dealer Alternative
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
To: Jonny Hinojosa
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression

Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:

With the engine running, how much movement should I see at the
pulley on the other end, when I depress the clutch??TIA Jonny
--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
970-242-3800 tech inquiries
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only

--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
970-242-3800 tech inquiries
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only

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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>


I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, plug the
return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your oil pan
back... or swap the pan.

Mark



The Dealer Alternative wrote:

> That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the
> infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like
> very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly
> dealers?
>
> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>
>> So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000
>> miles?Jonny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: (email redacted)
>> [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The
>> Dealer Alternative
>> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
>> To: Jonny Hinojosa
>> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
>> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
>> Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
>>
>> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>>
>> > With the engine running, how much movement should I see
>> > at the pulley on the other end, when I depress the
>> > clutch??TIAJonny
>>
>> --
>> Bill Cardell
>> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
>> Grand Junction, CO
>> dlralt.com
>> 200mphmiata.net
>> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
>> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>>
> --
> Bill Cardell
> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> Grand Junction, CO
> dlralt.com
> 200mphmiata.net
> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>

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Mail From: The Dealer Alternative <(email redacted)>

Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about screwing the
dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was there long before the
turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the problem, but I don't think
they know yet how widespread it is.

Mark Peugeot wrote:

>
> I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, plug the
> return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your oil pan
> back... or swap the pan.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> The Dealer Alternative wrote:
>
>> That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the
>> infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like
>> very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly
>> dealers?
>>
>> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>>
>> > So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000
>> > miles?Jonny
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: (email redacted)
>> > [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The
>> > Dealer Alternative
>> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
>> > To: Jonny Hinojosa
>> > Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
>> > Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
>> > Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
>> >
>> > Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>> >
>> > > With the engine running, how much movement should I see
>> > > at the pulley on the other end, when I depress the
>> > > clutch??TIAJonny
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bill Cardell
>> > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
>> > Grand Junction, CO
>> > dlralt.com
>> > 200mphmiata.net
>> > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
>> > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>> >
>> --
>> Bill Cardell
>> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
>> Grand Junction, CO
>> dlralt.com
>> 200mphmiata.net
>> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
>> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>
--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
970-242-3800 tech inquiries
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only

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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>


I wasn't suggesting to screw the dealer, but rather this is a known
problem and I would not give the dealer the opportunity to deny a
warranty claim based on the fact that a turbo was installed when the
installation of the turbo has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problem.
I do not know about his dealer but the dealer I have in California
denied that there was even a bulletin issued regarding this issue. Now
the Dealer I used in Arizona was GREAT, they knew what the problem was,
and would not care if there was a turbo on it from the way they were
talking.... If you ever are in AZ, I really recommend the dealership in
Mesa. Great bunch of guys, worked with me every inch of the way. BERGE
VW/MAZDA was great. So I will give them a good plug. 602-833-0001...
BTW they have all jacked up prices but the service dept rocks.

Mark


The Dealer Alternative wrote:

> Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about screwing the
> dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was there long before the
> turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the problem, but I don't think
> they know yet how widespread it is.
>
> Mark Peugeot wrote:
>
>>
>> I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, plug the
>> return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your oil
>> pan back... or swap the pan.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> The Dealer Alternative wrote:
>>
>> > That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the
>> > infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds
>> > like very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any
>> > friendly dealers?
>> >
>> > Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000
>> >> miles?Jonny
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: (email redacted)
>> >> [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of
>> >> The Dealer Alternative
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
>> >> To: Jonny Hinojosa
>> >> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
>> >> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
>> >> Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
>> >>
>> >> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > With the engine running, how much movement should I
>> >> > see at the pulley on the other end, when I depress
>> >> > the clutch??TIAJonny
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bill Cardell
>> >> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
>> >> Grand Junction, CO
>> >> dlralt.com
>> >> 200mphmiata.net
>> >> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
>> >> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>> >>
>> > --
>> > Bill Cardell
>> > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
>> > Grand Junction, CO
>> > dlralt.com
>> > 200mphmiata.net
>> > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
>> > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>>
> --
> Bill Cardell
> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> Grand Junction, CO
> dlralt.com
> 200mphmiata.net
> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>

Can someone tell me the exact procedure to go through to check for this =
problem, please? My girlfriend has a 10AE with less than 1500 miles on =
it. Would it show up this soon?

TIA

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 906 FMII vrrooommmm
----- Original Message -----=20
From: The Dealer Alternative=20
To: Mark Peugeot=20
Cc: Jonny Hinojosa ; Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about screwing the =
dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was there long before the =
turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the problem, but I don't think =
they know yet how widespread it is.=20
Mark Peugeot wrote:=20

=20
I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, plug the =
return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your oil pan =
back... or swap the pan.=20
Mark=20
=20
=20

The Dealer Alternative wrote:=20

That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the =
infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like =
very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly =
dealers?=20
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:=20

So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000 =
miles?Jonny=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: (email redacted) =
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The Dealer =
Alternative=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM=20
To: Jonny Hinojosa=20
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.=20
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:=20

With the engine running, how much movement should I see at =
the pulley on the other end, when I depress the clutch??TIAJonny
--=20
Bill Cardell=20
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
Grand Junction, CO=20
dlralt.com=20
200mphmiata.net=20
970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
--=20
Bill Cardell=20
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
Grand Junction, CO=20
dlralt.com=20
200mphmiata.net=20
970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
--=20
Bill Cardell=20
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
Grand Junction, CO=20
dlralt.com=20
200mphmiata.net=20
970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only=20
=20

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


Yes, you are right, the turbo installation has absolutely nothing to do with
the engine being defective. In a real world situation, however, you could be
in for a long road getting Mazda to live up to their obligations if they are
inclined to stick by the fine print stating that the warranty is void if the
car is raced. They have very deep pockets and could hold you up for a very
long time. If you have a dealer who is a decent person, you may have no
trouble. If, on the other hand, your dealer is a pr*ck, it would s*ck.

The obvious advice (please forgive me for stating the obvious) is to check
the engine thoroughly before making major mods. Otherwise, do your best to
return the engine to original condition before letting the dealer see it.
Why ask for trouble? And besides, wouldn't you be removing all that
expensive equipment before an engine swap anyway?

Happy motoring

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>
To: The Dealer Alternative <(email redacted)>
Cc: Jonny Hinojosa <(email redacted)>; Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


>
> I wasn't suggesting to screw the dealer, but rather this is a known
> problem and I would not give the dealer the opportunity to deny a
> warranty claim based on the fact that a turbo was installed when the
> installation of the turbo has absolutely NOTHING to do with the problem.
> I do not know about his dealer but the dealer I have in California
> denied that there was even a bulletin issued regarding this issue. Now
> the Dealer I used in Arizona was GREAT, they knew what the problem was,
> and would not care if there was a turbo on it from the way they were
> talking.... If you ever are in AZ, I really recommend the dealership in
> Mesa. Great bunch of guys, worked with me every inch of the way. BERGE
> VW/MAZDA was great. So I will give them a good plug. 602-833-0001...
> BTW they have all jacked up prices but the service dept rocks.
>
> Mark
>
>
> The Dealer Alternative wrote:
>
> > Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about screwing the
> > dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was there long before the
> > turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the problem, but I don't think
> > they know yet how widespread it is.
> >
> > Mark Peugeot wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, plug the
> >> return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your oil
> >> pan back... or swap the pan.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Dealer Alternative wrote:
> >>
> >> > That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the
> >> > infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds
> >> > like very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any
> >> > friendly dealers?
> >> >
> >> > Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with 12,000
> >> >> miles?Jonny
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: (email redacted)
> >> >> [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of
> >> >> The Dealer Alternative
> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
> >> >> To: Jonny Hinojosa
> >> >> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> >> >> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
> >> >> Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > With the engine running, how much movement should I
> >> >> > see at the pulley on the other end, when I depress
> >> >> > the clutch??TIAJonny
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Bill Cardell
> >> >> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> >> >> Grand Junction, CO
> >> >> dlralt.com
> >> >> 200mphmiata.net
> >> >> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> >> >> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> >> >>
> >> > --
> >> > Bill Cardell
> >> > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> >> > Grand Junction, CO
> >> > dlralt.com
> >> > 200mphmiata.net
> >> > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> >> > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> >>
> > --
> > Bill Cardell
> > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> > Grand Junction, CO
> > dlralt.com
> > 200mphmiata.net
> > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> >
>

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Mail From: The Dealer Alternative <(email redacted)>

There's a bulletin on miata.net. Basically, grab the crank pulley and
see if it moves back and forth. .3mm is the limit, which is twelve
thousandths of an inch, not much.

Mel Hoagland wrote:

> Can someone tell me the exact procedure to go through to check for
> this problem, please? My girlfriend has a 10AE with less than 1500
> miles on it. Would it show up this
> soon? TIA Mel------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))"Wheezy" black 906 FMII vrrooommmm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Dealer Alternative
> To: Mark Peugeot
> Cc: Jonny Hinojosa ; Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
> Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about
> screwing the dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was
> there long before the turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on
> the problem, but I don't think they know yet how widespread
> it is.
>
> Mark Peugeot wrote:
>
> >
> > I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo,
> > plug the return hole and tell them to fix it... and that
> > you want your oil pan back... or swap the pan.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > The Dealer Alternative wrote:
> >
> > > That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds
> > > like the infamous thrust bearing problem documented on
> > > Miata.net. Sounds like very bad timing on your turbo
> > > installation :-( Know any friendly dealers?
> > >
> > > Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
> > >
> > >> So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE
> > >> with 12,000 miles?Jonny
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: (email redacted)
> > >> [mailto:(email redacted)]On
> > >> Behalf Of The Dealer Alternative
> > >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM
> > >> To: Jonny Hinojosa
> > >> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> > >> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch
> > >> depression
> > >> Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too
> > >> much.
> > >>
> > >> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > With the engine running, how much movement
> > >> > should I see at the pulley on the other
> > >> > end, when I depress the clutch??TIAJonny
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Bill Cardell
> > >> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> > >> Grand Junction, CO
> > >> dlralt.com
> > >> 200mphmiata.net
> > >> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> > >> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Bill Cardell
> > > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> > > Grand Junction, CO
> > > dlralt.com
> > > 200mphmiata.net
> > > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> > > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> >
> --
> Bill Cardell
> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> Grand Junction, CO
> dlralt.com
> 200mphmiata.net
> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>
>
--
Bill Cardell
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
Grand Junction, CO
dlralt.com
200mphmiata.net
970-242-3800 tech inquiries
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>

OK, please bear with me. Do you mean longitudinally, or would this be a =
side-to-side movement? Jonny Hinojosa asked earlier about movement when =
the clutch is depressed and the engine running. Would this be an =
alternate (or better) means of checking?

Thanks, Bill

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
----- Original Message -----=20
From: The Dealer Alternative=20
To: Mel Hoagland=20
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


There's a bulletin on miata.net. Basically, grab the crank pulley and =
see if it moves back and forth. .3mm is the limit, which is twelve =
thousandths of an inch, not much.=20
Mel Hoagland wrote:=20

Can someone tell me the exact procedure to go through to check for =
this problem, please? My girlfriend has a 10AE with less than 1500 miles =
on it. Would it show up this soon? TIA =
Mel------------------------------------------------------------=20
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))"Wheezy" black 906 FMII vrrooommmm =

----- Original Message -----
From: The Dealer Alternative
To: Mark Peugeot
Cc: Jonny Hinojosa ; Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about screwing =
the dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was there long before the =
turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the problem, but I don't think =
they know yet how widespread it is.=20
Mark Peugeot wrote:=20

=20
I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, plug =
the return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your oil =
pan back... or swap the pan.=20
Mark=20
=20
=20

The Dealer Alternative wrote:=20

That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like the =
infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like =
very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly =
dealers?=20
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:=20

So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with =
12,000 miles?Jonny=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: (email redacted) =
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The Dealer =
Alternative=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM=20
To: Jonny Hinojosa=20
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.=20
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:=20

With the engine running, how much movement should I see =
at the pulley on the other end, when I depress the clutch??TIAJonny
--=20
Bill Cardell=20
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
Grand Junction, CO=20
dlralt.com=20
200mphmiata.net=20
970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>

Sorry for the bandwidth. I've got my answer (checked the bulletin).

Thanks.

Mel
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Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96 FMII vrrooommmm
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mel Hoagland=20
To: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


OK, please bear with me. Do you mean longitudinally, or would this be =
a side-to-side movement? Jonny Hinojosa asked earlier about movement =
when the clutch is depressed and the engine running. Would this be an =
alternate (or better) means of checking?

Thanks, Bill

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
----- Original Message -----=20
From: The Dealer Alternative=20
To: Mel Hoagland=20
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression


There's a bulletin on miata.net. Basically, grab the crank pulley =
and see if it moves back and forth. .3mm is the limit, which is twelve =
thousandths of an inch, not much.=20
Mel Hoagland wrote:=20

Can someone tell me the exact procedure to go through to check for =
this problem, please? My girlfriend has a 10AE with less than 1500 miles =
on it. Would it show up this soon? TIA =
Mel------------------------------------------------------------=20
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))"Wheezy" black 906 FMII =
vrrooommmm=20
----- Original Message -----
From: The Dealer Alternative
To: Mark Peugeot
Cc: Jonny Hinojosa ; Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the bandwagon about =
screwing the dealer or Mazda, I guarantee this problem was there long =
before the turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the problem, but I =
don't think they know yet how widespread it is.=20
Mark Peugeot wrote:=20


I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off the turbo, =
plug the return hole and tell them to fix it... and that you want your =
oil pan back... or swap the pan.=20
Mark=20
=20
=20

The Dealer Alternative wrote:=20

That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000 miles. Sounds like =
the infamous thrust bearing problem documented on Miata.net. Sounds like =
very bad timing on your turbo installation :-( Know any friendly =
dealers?=20
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:=20

So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even for a 10AE with =
12,000 miles?Jonny=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: (email redacted) =
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of The Dealer =
Alternative=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:32 PM=20
To: Jonny Hinojosa=20
Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net=20
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
Max of .3mm. If you can see it, it's too much.=20
Jonny Hinojosa wrote:=20

With the engine running, how much movement should I =
see at the pulley on the other end, when I depress the clutch??TIAJonny
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--=20
Bill Cardell=20
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
Grand Junction, CO=20
dlralt.com=20
200mphmiata.net=20
970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
--=20
Bill Cardell=20
The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
Grand Junction, CO=20
dlralt.com=20
200mphmiata.net=20
970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only=20
=20
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The Dealer Alternative, Inc.=20
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970-242-3800 tech inquiries=20
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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>

What happens is that the clutch applies pressure to the crank and moves
it back and forth across the bearings. This causes the engine to run
funny and eventually FAIL.

It is a longitudinal movement.

Mel Hoagland wrote:

> OK, please bear with me. Do you mean longitudinally, or would this be
> a side-to-side movement? Jonny Hinojosa asked earlier about movement
> when the clutch is depressed and the engine running. Would this be an
> alternate (or better) means of checking? Thanks,
> Bill Mel------------------------------------------------------------
> Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Dealer Alternative
> To: Mel Hoagland
> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
> There's a bulletin on miata.net. Basically, grab the crank
> pulley and see if it moves back and forth. .3mm is the
> limit, which is twelve thousandths of an inch, not much.
>
> Mel Hoagland wrote:
>
> > Can someone tell me the exact procedure to go through to
> > check for this problem, please? My girlfriend has a 10AE
> > with less than 1500 miles on it. Would it show up this
> > soon? TIA
> > Mel------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))"Wheezy" black 906 FMII
> > vrrooommmm
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: The Dealer Alternative
> > To: Mark Peugeot
> > Cc: Jonny Hinojosa ; Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch
> > depression
> > Exactly. Any before anyone jumps on the
> > bandwagon about screwing the dealer or Mazda, I
> > guarantee this problem was there long before the
> > turbo went on. Mazda has a bulletin on the
> > problem, but I don't think they know yet how
> > widespread it is.
> >
> > Mark Peugeot wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I would get that motor changed ASAP... Take off
> > > the turbo, plug the return hole and tell them
> > > to fix it... and that you want your oil pan
> > > back... or swap the pan.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Dealer Alternative wrote:
> > >
> > >> That'd be too much for '90 with 125,000
> > >> miles. Sounds like the infamous thrust
> > >> bearing problem documented on Miata.net.
> > >> Sounds like very bad timing on your turbo
> > >> installation :-( Know any friendly dealers?
> > >>
> > >> Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > So, 6.5 - 7.0 mm is a little to much even
> > >> > for a 10AE with 12,000 miles?Jonny
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From:
> > >> > (email redacted)
> > >> > [mailto:(email redacted)]On
> > >> > Behalf Of The Dealer Alternative
> > >> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999
> > >> > 12:32 PM
> > >> > To: Jonny Hinojosa
> > >> > Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net
> > >> > Subject: Re: Main shaft movement
> > >> > on clutch depression
> > >> > Max of .3mm. If you can see it,
> > >> > it's too much.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jonny Hinojosa wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > With the engine running, how
> > >> > > much movement should I see at
> > >> > > the pulley on the other end,
> > >> > > when I depress the
> > >> > > clutch??TIAJonny
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Bill Cardell
> > >> > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> > >> > Grand Junction, CO
> > >> > dlralt.com
> > >> > 200mphmiata.net
> > >> > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> > >> > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> > >> >
> > >> --
> > >> Bill Cardell
> > >> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> > >> Grand Junction, CO
> > >> dlralt.com
> > >> 200mphmiata.net
> > >> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> > >> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> > >
> > --
> > Bill Cardell
> > The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> > Grand Junction, CO
> > dlralt.com
> > 200mphmiata.net
> > 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> > 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
> >
> --
> Bill Cardell
> The Dealer Alternative, Inc.
> Grand Junction, CO
> dlralt.com
> 200mphmiata.net
> 970-242-3800 tech inquiries
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S orders only
>
>

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Mail From: Ray Ayala <(email redacted)>



Stepping on the clutch pushes the crankshaft forward, but
what pushes it rearward again? I assume that when you're
measuring the end play you have to push the front crank
pulley rearward by hand? Just curious. - Ray

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Mail From: "Jonny Hinojosa" <(email redacted)>



When the clutch is released, the shaft moves back to the original position.

Jonny

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of Ray Ayala
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:46 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression




Stepping on the clutch pushes the crankshaft forward, but
what pushes it rearward again? I assume that when you're
measuring the end play you have to push the front crank
pulley rearward by hand? Just curious. - Ray

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Mail From: "Jonny Hinojosa" <(email redacted)>


Ooops, meant to say that in my test the motor was running so ....

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of Jonny Hinojosa
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 9:26 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: Main shaft movement on clutch depression




When the clutch is released, the shaft moves back to the original position.

Jonny

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of Ray Ayala
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:46 PM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression




Stepping on the clutch pushes the crankshaft forward, but
what pushes it rearward again? I assume that when you're
measuring the end play you have to push the front crank
pulley rearward by hand? Just curious. - Ray

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Mail From: "Bill Bowser" <(email redacted)>


FWIW the term to properly decsribe this motion is axial (with the
direction of the axis of rotation) So the crankshaft moves axially.

Regards,

Bill Bowser & Drifter
Black & Red '93 LE
Cincinnati, Ohio

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> From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>
> To: Mel Hoagland <(email redacted)>
> Cc: Miatapower@Miatapower. Net <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: Main shaft movement on clutch depression
> Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 23:57
>
>
> Mel Hoagland wrote:
> >
> > OK, please bear with me. Do you mean longitudinally, or would this be
a side-to-side movement? Jonny Hinojosa asked earlier about movement when
the clutch is depressed and the engine running. Would this be an alternate
(or better) means of checking?
> >
> > Thanks, Bill
> >
> > Mel
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: The Dealer Alternative
> front to back
>