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Mail From: "Frank Devocht" <(email redacted)>

Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an ever =
so slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was =
inherent on the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any =
further into it. =20
Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I put =
my (very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more =
hesitation! =20
And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely =
sure to never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try =
magnecors again.

Frank

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Mail From: "Ray Ayala" <(email redacted)>

IIRC its because their impedance is too low so you get a hotter but =
unfortunately shorter spark. The Miata manual specifies the impedance =
range of suitable wires.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Frank Devocht=20
To: power=20
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: magnecors problem (LPC)


Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an =
ever so slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was =
inherent on the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any =
further into it. =20
Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I =
put my (very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more =
hesitation! =20
And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely =
sure to never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try =
magnecors again.

Frank

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Mail From: "Shiv Pathak" <(email redacted)>

I've run nothing but Magnecor on all my TEC-II applications. In the last
four years, neither myself of any of my customers have ever had any ignition
problems other than the rubber boots sometimes loosening up with time.
Solved that by adding a dab of silicone goop to the boots so that they would
stay put in the valve cover.

Under boost, the stock 1.8 Miata coils to be marginal at best-- Misfiring
readily when a/f mixture becomes what it deems to be too rich. Obviously,
this makes on-boost tuning somewhat of a compromise. What you are seeing is
basically a component-matching problem. The solution would be to either get
an appropriate high output ignition system (not CDI) or higher impedance
wires. The former would undoubtedly get you the best results.

Good luck,
shiv

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From: "Frank Devocht" <(email redacted)>
To: "power" <(email redacted)>
Subject: magnecors problem (LPC)
Date: Mon, Feb 19, 2001, 10:00 AM


Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an ever so
slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was inherent on
the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any further into it.
Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I put my
(very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more hesitation!
And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely sure to
never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try magnecors again.

Frank

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Mail From: "Apsilon" <(email redacted)>


A while back we (in Australia) had a big problem with counterfeit magnecor
leads. These fake leads were made in the US so it's possible that they were
also sold in the US. I can't recall how you could tell the real ones from
the fake other than it was to do with the markings.

FWIW neither I or anyone I know has had problems with magnecor leads. My ECU
manufacturer actually specifies that only magnecor leads be used with their
computers.

Assuming you have the same warranty we get (10 years, 150,000km) I'd exchage
them or at least get a refund.

Just another data point.

Matt.
'94 Laguna Blue Clubman
T28BB Turbo
MX-5 Club of NSW #582 Australia


Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an ever so
slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was inherent on
the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any further into it.
Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I put my
(very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more hesitation!
And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely sure to
never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try magnecors again.

Frank

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>


Hmm, Steve, the guy at Magnecor has a funny accent so we always *assumed*
they were from Australia ;-)

Bill Cardell
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
flyinmiata.com
200mphmiata.net
1-800-FLY-MX5S (orders only)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)


-----Original Message-----
From: Apsilon [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:19 PM
To: Miata Power List
Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)



A while back we (in Australia) had a big problem with counterfeit magnecor
leads. These fake leads were made in the US so it's possible that they were
also sold in the US. I can't recall how you could tell the real ones from
the fake other than it was to do with the markings.

FWIW neither I or anyone I know has had problems with magnecor leads. My ECU
manufacturer actually specifies that only magnecor leads be used with their
computers.

Assuming you have the same warranty we get (10 years, 150,000km) I'd exchage
them or at least get a refund.

Just another data point.

Matt.
'94 Laguna Blue Clubman
T28BB Turbo
MX-5 Club of NSW #582 Australia


Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an ever so
slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was inherent on
the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any further into it.
Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I put my
(very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more hesitation!
And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely sure to
never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try magnecors again.

Frank

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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>


I thought they had a lifetime guarantee?? Why not contact Bill, if
that's where you got them.

> Frank Devocht wrote:
>
> Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an
> ever so slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was
> inherent on the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any
> further into it.
> Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I
> put my (very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more
> hesitation!
> And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely
> sure to never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try
> magnecors again.
>
> Frank
>

--
Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

Low Country Miata drive.to/lowcountrymiata
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

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Mail From: "Apsilon" <(email redacted)>


What accent ;)

My understanding is that the "official" magnecor leads are made in the local
market. I could of course be wrong, happens all of the time. I got mine
direct from the Australian distributor as they're near by and they made them
while I waited as they didn't have any in stock.

I was only referring to the fake ones that were being sold here at the time
as being made in the US. Maybe they're all made here but I was under the
impression magnecor was an American company. Is this not correct?

Matt.
'94 Laguna Blue Clubman
T28BB Turbo
MX-5 Club of NSW #582 Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Cardell" <(email redacted)>
To: "'Apsilon'" <(email redacted)>; "Miata Power List"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: magnecors problem (LPC)


> Hmm, Steve, the guy at Magnecor has a funny accent so we always *assumed*
> they were from Australia ;-)
>
> Bill Cardell
> (email redacted)
> Flyin' Miata
> flyinmiata.com
> 200mphmiata.net
> 1-800-FLY-MX5S (orders only)
> 1-970-242-3800 (tech)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Apsilon [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:19 PM
> To: Miata Power List
> Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)
>
>
>
> A while back we (in Australia) had a big problem with counterfeit magnecor
> leads. These fake leads were made in the US so it's possible that they
were
> also sold in the US. I can't recall how you could tell the real ones from
> the fake other than it was to do with the markings.
>
> FWIW neither I or anyone I know has had problems with magnecor leads. My
ECU
> manufacturer actually specifies that only magnecor leads be used with
their
> computers.
>
> Assuming you have the same warranty we get (10 years, 150,000km) I'd
exchage
> them or at least get a refund.
>
> Just another data point.
>
> Matt.
> '94 Laguna Blue Clubman
> T28BB Turbo
> MX-5 Club of NSW #582 Australia
>
>
> Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an ever
so
> slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was inherent on
> the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any further into it.
> Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I put my
> (very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more hesitation!
> And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely sure
to
> never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try magnecors
again.
>
> Frank
>

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Mail From: "Scott Wegener" <(email redacted)>


I believe Magnecor may not cover the wires for Mazda 1.6L/1.8L apps, as they
has a Tech Bulletin about our engines:
magnecor.com/magnecor1/techbulletins/techmaz.htm

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
To: "Frank Devocht" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "power" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)


>
> I thought they had a lifetime guarantee?? Why not contact Bill, if
> that's where you got them.
>
> > Frank Devocht wrote:
> >
> > Ever since I installed the turbo (back in 1998), the car has had an
> > ever so slight hesitation every now and then. I always thought it was
> > inherent on the turbo setup (afpr/pierburg combo) and didn't look any
> > further into it.
> > Since the hesitation was still there with the new engine and Link I
> > put my (very old) oem spark plug wires back in and presto! no more
> > hesitation!
> > And to think I bought the magnecors 'cause I wanted to be absolutely
> > sure to never have ignition lead problems ... don't think I'll try
> > magnecors again.
> >
> > Frank
> >
>
> --
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
> Low Country Miata drive.to/lowcountrymiata
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074

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Mail From: "Apsilon" <(email redacted)>


It may differ between areas but I was aware of this bulletin when I
purchased them (about 2.5 years ago). I was going to bring it up with the
guy at the distributor but he beat me to it. He showed me where to apply the
silicon spray (he said the spray would work as well as the grease) mentioned
in the bulletin and even applied it to the set when he finished making them.
Said it should be done about every 3 months and when the plugs are changed
and that if I ever had a problem to bring them back.

I'm still on the same set and have never had a problem despite the fact I
haven't kept up on the silicon treatment only doing it when I change plugs
(which is every 5,000km anyway).

YMMV but I'm very happy with them.

Matt.
'94 Laguna Blue Clubman
T28BB Turbo
MX-5 Club of NSW #582 Australia


>
> I believe Magnecor may not cover the wires for Mazda 1.6L/1.8L apps, as
they
> has a Tech Bulletin about our engines:
> magnecor.com/magnecor1/techbulletins/techmaz.htm
>
> Scott
>

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Mail From: (email redacted)


In a message dated 20/02/2001 01:10:22 GMT Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<< I was only referring to the fake ones that were being sold here at the time
as being made in the US. Maybe they're all made here but I was under the
impression magnecor was an American company. Is this not correct? >>

I was once talking the the Magnecor guy in the UK. He says that all the ones
they supply are made in the UK, as they have had problems with batches in the
past from the States.

Si.

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Mail From: "Frank Devocht" <(email redacted)>


I contacted magnecor about my wires. They basically say that it's a common
problem and that they fail because the miata has a poorly designed head
(moisture gets trapped inside etc).
They are willing to take a look at them and let me know what was wrong with
them but they don't warrantee them. They are saying that Mazda needs to
redesign it's engine to avoid these problems.
This just sounds as a load of crap to me. I find it a bit easy to state
that Mazda needs to redesign their engine because the magnecors fail. I
would think that it's magnecor who should redesign their ignition wires, no?
Anyway, I'm staying with the stock wires for now, might upgrade to the 1.8
coil though.

<\rant mode>
Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 09:37
Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)


>
> In a message dated 20/02/2001 01:10:22 GMT Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> << I was only referring to the fake ones that were being sold here at the
time
> as being made in the US. Maybe they're all made here but I was under the
> impression magnecor was an American company. Is this not correct? >>
>
> I was once talking the the Magnecor guy in the UK. He says that all the
ones
> they supply are made in the UK, as they have had problems with batches in
the
> past from the States.
>
> Si.
>

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Mail From: Ray Ayala <(email redacted)>


When you upgrade to the 1.8 coils, upgrade to the stock 1.8 wires too
;-)

Frank Devocht wrote:
>
> I contacted magnecor about my wires. They basically say that it's a common
> problem and that they fail because the miata has a poorly designed head
> (moisture gets trapped inside etc).
> They are willing to take a look at them and let me know what was wrong with
> them but they don't warrantee them. They are saying that Mazda needs to
> redesign it's engine to avoid these problems.
> This just sounds as a load of crap to me. I find it a bit easy to state
> that Mazda needs to redesign their engine because the magnecors fail. I
> would think that it's magnecor who should redesign their ignition wires, no?
> Anyway, I'm staying with the stock wires for now, might upgrade to the 1.8
> coil though.
>
> <\rant mode>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 09:37
> Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)
>
> >
> > In a message dated 20/02/2001 01:10:22 GMT Standard Time,
> > (email redacted) writes:
> >
> > << I was only referring to the fake ones that were being sold here at the
> time
> > as being made in the US. Maybe they're all made here but I was under the
> > impression magnecor was an American company. Is this not correct? >>
> >
> > I was once talking the the Magnecor guy in the UK. He says that all the
> ones
> > they supply are made in the UK, as they have had problems with batches in
> the
> > past from the States.
> >
> > Si.
> >

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Mail From: "Frank Devocht" <(email redacted)>


had it coming :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Ayala <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 19:43
Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)


>
> When you upgrade to the 1.8 coils, upgrade to the stock 1.8 wires too
> ;-)
>
> Frank Devocht wrote:
> >
> > I contacted magnecor about my wires. They basically say that it's a
common
> > problem and that they fail because the miata has a poorly designed head
> > (moisture gets trapped inside etc).
> > They are willing to take a look at them and let me know what was wrong
with
> > them but they don't warrantee them. They are saying that Mazda needs to
> > redesign it's engine to avoid these problems.
> > This just sounds as a load of crap to me. I find it a bit easy to state
> > that Mazda needs to redesign their engine because the magnecors fail. I
> > would think that it's magnecor who should redesign their ignition wires,
no?
> > Anyway, I'm staying with the stock wires for now, might upgrade to the
1.8
> > coil though.
> >
> > <\rant mode>
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <(email redacted)>
> > To: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 09:37
> > Subject: Re: magnecors problem (LPC)
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 20/02/2001 01:10:22 GMT Standard Time,
> > > (email redacted) writes:
> > >
> > > << I was only referring to the fake ones that were being sold here at
the
> > time
> > > as being made in the US. Maybe they're all made here but I was under
the
> > > impression magnecor was an American company. Is this not correct? >>
> > >
> > > I was once talking the the Magnecor guy in the UK. He says that all
the
> > ones
> > > they supply are made in the UK, as they have had problems with batches
in
> > the
> > > past from the States.
> > >
> > > Si.
> > >
>