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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some great =
power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got corrupt=
ed somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but everyone =
on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them e-mail =
me the files. I will have them soon though...

Here is how it fared...

Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
Link Torque 216
TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I am=
not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)

The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators n=
oted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal dyn=
o chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about 11.5:1-12:1. =
EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not glow as much th=
is time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was just around the=
collector right before redline..

Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on that =
setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on there=
finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I happene=
d to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo. =
We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a littl=
e bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull o=
n the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with th=
e Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had mad=
e 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn t=
he boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect. =
11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301. Ad=
ded a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.5* o=
f timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16.5 =
(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This bigge=
r turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid rage po=
wer gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP curve =
further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of made=
more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to 7100.=
=20=20

The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you are=
instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel a=
s the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it =
is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane. =
Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get=
full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.=20=20

I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon..... Tors=
en will be toast soon.

I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I g=
et them..

Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D

Danny

Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and Ar=
chie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough =
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno ope=
rator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both g=
ave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking 300w=
hp..

And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this t=
hing will do at the track tomorrow night!!=20

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Mail From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>

Nice numbers. Now for a rear end and tranny that will take it! Have fun wit=
h it.

Jess

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Mail From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>

way to go danny! cool that we now have a tec vs link test under our belts.
so the tec is a little higher and significantly smoother.... perhaps it's
logic is faster reacting in there or something.

i'm glad its not *way* out in front only because i drive a link!


please be careful with that rear, when mine went it was not pretty and
fortunately i was just off the interstate and decelerating, it was still bad

have fun with that lunatic car of yours and post some kills too!


>From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0600
>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some great
>power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
>corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
>everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
>them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>
>Here is how it fared...
>
>Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
>Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
>Link Torque 216
>TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I am
>not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
>The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators
>noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal
>dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
>11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
>glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
>just around the collector right before redline..
>
>Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on that
>setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on there
>finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I happened
>to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo. We
>swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a little
>bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull on
>the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with the
>Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had made
>207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn the
>boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
>11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.
>Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.5*
>of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16.5
>(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
>bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
>rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
>curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
>of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it
>to 7100.
>
>The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you are
>instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel as
>the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it is
>still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
>Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
>full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
>I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
>Torsen will be toast soon.
>
>I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I
>get them..
>
>Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>
>Danny
>
>Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
>Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
>enough is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the
>dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
>Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on
>breaking 300whp..
>
>And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this
>thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!




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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Remember the only thing stopping me from squeezing power out the TEC is the
fact that the turbo blew. I spent a lot more runs on the link to get that
power...

I stopped at 317 on the new turbo for sanity reasons. :D

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


> way to go danny! cool that we now have a tec vs link test under our belts.
> so the tec is a little higher and significantly smoother.... perhaps it's
> logic is faster reacting in there or something.
>
> i'm glad its not *way* out in front only because i drive a link!
>
>
> please be careful with that rear, when mine went it was not pretty and
> fortunately i was just off the interstate and decelerating, it was still
bad
>
> have fun with that lunatic car of yours and post some kills too!
>
>
> >From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
> >To: <(email redacted)>
> >Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0600
> >
> > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
great
> >power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> >corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> >everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
> >them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> >
> >Here is how it fared...
> >
> >Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> >Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> >Link Torque 216
> >TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
am
> >not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >
> >The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators
> >noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal
> >dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> >11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> >glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time
was
> >just around the collector right before redline..
> >
> >Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
that
> >setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
there
> >finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
happened
> >to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo.
We
> >swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a little
> >bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull
on
> >the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with
the
> >Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had
made
> >207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn
the
> >boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
> >11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.
> >Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
1.5*
> >of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
16.5
> >(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
> >bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> >rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the
HP
> >curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
> >of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it
> >to 7100.
> >
> >The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
are
> >instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
as
> >the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
is
> >still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> >Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I
get
> >full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >
> >I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> >Torsen will be toast soon.
> >
> >I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I
> >get them..
> >
> >Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> >
> >Danny
> >
> >Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
> >Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
> >enough is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the
> >dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
> >Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on
> >breaking 300whp..
> >
> >And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this
> >thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>
>
>
>
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Mail From: Xin <(email redacted)>

Congrds, Danny. What kind of BIG turbo are you using?

Xin

Daniel Godelfer wrote:

> Remember the only thing stopping me from squeezing power out the TEC is the
> fact that the turbo blew. I spent a lot more runs on the link to get that
> power...
>
> I stopped at 317 on the new turbo for sanity reasons. :D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
> > way to go danny! cool that we now have a tec vs link test under our belts.
> > so the tec is a little higher and significantly smoother.... perhaps it's
> > logic is faster reacting in there or something.
> >
> > i'm glad its not *way* out in front only because i drive a link!
> >
> >
> > please be careful with that rear, when mine went it was not pretty and
> > fortunately i was just off the interstate and decelerating, it was still
> bad
> >
> > have fun with that lunatic car of yours and post some kills too!
> >
> >
> > >From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
> > >To: <(email redacted)>
> > >Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0600
> > >
> > > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
> great
> > >power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> > >corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> > >everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
> > >them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> > >
> > >Here is how it fared...
> > >
> > >Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > >Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > >Link Torque 216
> > >TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
> am
> > >not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> > >
> > >The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators
> > >noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal
> > >dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> > >11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> > >glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time
> was
> > >just around the collector right before redline..
> > >
> > >Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
> that
> > >setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
> there
> > >finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
> happened
> > >to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo.
> We
> > >swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a little
> > >bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull
> on
> > >the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with
> the
> > >Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had
> made
> > >207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn
> the
> > >boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
> > >11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.
> > >Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
> 1.5*
> > >of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
> 16.5
> > >(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
> > >bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> > >rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the
> HP
> > >curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
> > >of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it
> > >to 7100.
> > >
> > >The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
> are
> > >instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
> as
> > >the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
> is
> > >still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> > >Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I
> get
> > >full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> > >
> > >I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> > >Torsen will be toast soon.
> > >
> > >I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I
> > >get them..
> > >
> > >Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> > >
> > >Danny
> > >
> > >Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
> > >Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
> > >enough is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the
> > >dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
> > >Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on
> > >breaking 300whp..
> > >
> > >And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this
> > >thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.
> > hotmail.com
> >
> >

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Mail From: "Dan Bettis" <(email redacted)>

You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just goes to=
show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to do with =
my car. Just need more money now.

Dan Bettis
(email redacted)
predatormotorsport.com
zrracing.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some grea=
t power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got corru=
pted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but everyon=
e on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them e-mai=
l me the files. I will have them soon though...

Here is how it fared...

Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
Link Torque 216
TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I =
am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)

The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators=
noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal d=
yno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about 11.5:1-12:1=
. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not glow as much =
this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was just around t=
he collector right before redline..

Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on tha=
t setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on the=
re finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I happe=
ned to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo.=
We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a lit=
tle bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull=
on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with =
the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had m=
ade 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn=
the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.=
11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301. =
Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.5*=
of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16.5=
(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This big=
ger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid rage =
power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP curv=
e further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of ma=
de more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to 710=
0.=20=20

The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you a=
re instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel=
as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because i=
t is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane=
. Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I g=
et full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.=20=20

I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon..... To=
rsen will be toast soon.

I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I=
get them..

Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D

Danny

Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and =
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enoug=
h is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno o=
perator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both=
gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking 30=
0whp..

And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this=
thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!=20

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Same Snail that Ric Uses in his Kits. It gave up about 20ftlb of torque up
to about 3300 vs a FM II sleve bearing, after that it was all over!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Xin" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


> Congrds, Danny. What kind of BIG turbo are you using?
>
> Xin
>
> Daniel Godelfer wrote:
>
> > Remember the only thing stopping me from squeezing power out the TEC is
the
> > fact that the turbo blew. I spent a lot more runs on the link to get
that
> > power...
> >
> > I stopped at 317 on the new turbo for sanity reasons. :D
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>
> > To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> > > way to go danny! cool that we now have a tec vs link test under our
belts.
> > > so the tec is a little higher and significantly smoother.... perhaps
it's
> > > logic is faster reacting in there or something.
> > >
> > > i'm glad its not *way* out in front only because i drive a link!
> > >
> > >
> > > please be careful with that rear, when mine went it was not pretty and
> > > fortunately i was just off the interstate and decelerating, it was
still
> > bad
> > >
> > > have fun with that lunatic car of yours and post some kills too!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
> > > >To: <(email redacted)>
> > > >Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> > > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0600
> > > >
> > > > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
> > great
> > > >power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> > > >corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs,
but
> > > >everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and
have
> > > >them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> > > >
> > > >Here is how it fared...
> > > >
> > > >Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > > >Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > > >Link Torque 216
> > > >TEC Torque 245 ( I think
but I
> > am
> > > >not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> > > >
> > > >The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
operators
> > > >noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
normal
> > > >dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> > > >11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did
not
> > > >glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This
time
> > was
> > > >just around the collector right before redline..
> > > >
> > > >Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
> > that
> > > >setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
> > there
> > > >finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
> > happened
> > > >to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
turbo.
> > We
> > > >swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a
little
> > > >bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
pull
> > on
> > > >the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
with
> > the
> > > >Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had
> > made
> > > >207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
turn
> > the
> > > >boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
perfect.
> > > >11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
301.
> > > >Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not
worth
> > 1.5*
> > > >of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
> > 16.5
> > > >(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
> > > >bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious
mid
> > > >rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held
the
> > HP
> > > >curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and
could
> > > >of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only
revving it
> > > >to 7100.
> > > >
> > > >The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and
you
> > are
> > > >instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the
wheel
> > as
> > > >the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because
it
> > is
> > > >still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is
insane.
> > > >Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where
I
> > get
> > > >full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> > > >
> > > >I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> > > >Torsen will be toast soon.
> > > >
> > > >I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space,
once I
> > > >get them..
> > > >
> > > >Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> > > >
> > > >Danny
> > > >
> > > >Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan,
and
> > > >Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
> > > >enough is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as
the
> > > >dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric
and
> > > >Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam
on
> > > >breaking 300whp..
> > > >
> > > >And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
this
> > > >thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>


Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)

The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
sure that the link crew can find the missing power.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:

> You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
do with my car. Just need more money now.
>=20
> Dan Bettis
> (email redacted)
> predatormotorsport.com
> zrracing.com
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Daniel Godelfer=20
> To: (email redacted)=20
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>=20
>=20
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some gr=
eat power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got cor=
rupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but every=
one on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them e-m=
ail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>=20
> Here is how it fared...
>=20
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> Link Torque 216
> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but =
I am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>=20
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operato=
rs noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal=
dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about 11.5:1-12=
:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not glow as muc=
h this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was just around=
the collector right before redline..
>=20
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on t=
hat setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on t=
here finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I hap=
pened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turb=
o. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a l=
ittle bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pu=
ll on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it wit=
h the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had=
made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to tu=
rn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfec=
t. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.=
Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.=
5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16=
.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This b=
igger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid rag=
e power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP cu=
rve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of =
made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to 7=
100.=20=20
>=20
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you=
are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the whe=
el as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because=
it is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insa=
ne. Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I=
get full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.=20=20
>=20
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon..... =
Torsen will be toast soon.
>=20
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once=
I get them..
>=20
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>=20
> Danny
>=20
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, an=
d Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when eno=
ugh is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno=
operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv bo=
th gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking =
300whp..
>=20
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what th=
is thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!=20
>=20

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Mail From: "Hassan Malik" <(email redacted)>

The coils made a really big difference, atleast in Danny's car. I have been
helping danny with his car since he got it and even with his Greddy kit it
was always the same problem. This is the first time his dyno looked nice and
smooth and not all broken up.

Hassan
92 Integra VTEC Turbo
88 RX-7 TurboII (monster in the making)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Peugeot [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:37 AM
To: Dan Bettis
Cc: Daniel Godelfer; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)

The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
sure that the link crew can find the missing power.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:

> You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
do with my car. Just need more money now.
>
> Dan Bettis
> (email redacted)
> predatormotorsport.com
> zrracing.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Godelfer
> To: (email redacted)
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>
> Here is how it fared...
>
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> Link Torque 216
> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
just around the collector right before redline..
>
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of
made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
7100.
>
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
Torsen will be toast soon.
>
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once
I get them..
>
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>
> Danny
>
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both
gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
300whp..
>
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>

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Mail From: (email redacted)


>Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!

>Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
>Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp

I'm easily confused, I guess? Looks to me like the Link VS Tec
Dyno results were 289hp not 317hp? Am I missing something?

Jim in Tucson



In a message dated 2/21/02 8:18:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some great
> power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
> them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>
> Here is how it fared...
>
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> Link Torque 216
> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I am
> not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators
> noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal
> dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
> just around the collector right before redline..
>
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on that
> setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on there
> finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I happened
> to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo. We
> swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a little
> bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull on
> the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with the
> Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had made
> 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn the
> boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
> 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.
> Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.5*
> of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16.5
> (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
> bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
> curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
> of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it
> to 7100.
>
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you are
> instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel as
> the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it is
> still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
> full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> Torsen will be toast soon.
>
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I
> get them..
>
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>
> Danny
>
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
> Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
> enough is enough. Tom from <A HREF="lightningmotorsports.com/">www.lightningmotorsports.com</A> was great as the
> dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
> Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on
> breaking 300whp..
>
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this
> thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>

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Mail From: "Hassan Malik" <(email redacted)>

265 vs. 289 is the comparison of the two computers. The 317 is hp after we
swapped the turbo on the dyno.
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:00 AM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



>Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!

>Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
>Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp

I'm easily confused, I guess? Looks to me like the Link VS Tec
Dyno results were 289hp not 317hp? Am I missing something?

Jim in Tucson



In a message dated 2/21/02 8:18:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:



Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...

Here is how it fared...

Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
Link Torque 216
TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)

The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
just around the collector right before redline..

Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of
made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
7100.

The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.

I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
Torsen will be toast soon.

I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once
I get them..

Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D

Danny

Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both
gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
300whp..

And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!

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Mail From: (email redacted)

In a message dated 2/22/02 10:06:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:


> I'm easily confused, I guess? Looks to me like the Link VS Tec
> Dyno results were 289hp not 317hp? Am I missing something?
>
> Jim in Tucson
>
>
>
>

The 317 was with a TEC-II and a BIGGER turbo......

Gibb

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Mail From: "Ralph Doehrmann" <(email redacted)>

It was confusing..
265-289 was with identical hardware. The 317 was with a different turbo.
Of course there are lots of variable when "simply" swapping ecus.
I wonder how a Link with better coils would fare? Good stuff. Thanks for
the notes Danny.

Ralph

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Mail From: "Hassan Malik" <(email redacted)>

I don't believe the coils are the only difference but they did help a lot in
making the curve nice and smooth

Hassan

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Peugeot [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:22 AM
To: Hassan Malik
Cc: Dan Bettis; Daniel Godelfer; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



Are you sure the coils are the only difference? I would not be surprised
if they were a significant part of the equation, but it that the
difference and if so... I would be surprised if coil packs were not in the
miata's future.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Hassan Malik wrote:

> The coils made a really big difference, atleast in Danny's car. I have
been
> helping danny with his car since he got it and even with his Greddy kit it
> was always the same problem. This is the first time his dyno looked nice
and
> smooth and not all broken up.
>
> Hassan
> 92 Integra VTEC Turbo
> 88 RX-7 TurboII (monster in the making)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Peugeot [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:37 AM
> To: Dan Bettis
> Cc: Daniel Godelfer; (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
>
> Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
> and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
> things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)
>
> The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
> sure that the link crew can find the missing power.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:
>
> > You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
> goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
> do with my car. Just need more money now.
> >
> > Dan Bettis
> > (email redacted)
> > predatormotorsport.com
> > zrracing.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Godelfer
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> > Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> >
> > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
> great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
them
> e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> >
> > Here is how it fared...
> >
> > Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > Link Torque 216
> > TEC Torque 245 ( I think but
I
> am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >
> > The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
> operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like
a
> normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
> just around the collector right before redline..
> >
> > Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
> that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
> there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
> happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
> turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it
in
> a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time.
First
> pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
> with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
> had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet
to
> turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
> perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and
pulled
> 301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not
worth
> 1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
> 16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected
This
> bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the
HP
> curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
of
> made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
> 7100.
> >
> > The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and
you
> are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the
wheel
> as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because
it
> is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
> full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >
> > I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> Torsen will be toast soon.
> >
> > I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space,
once
> I get them..
> >
> > Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan,
and
> Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
enough
> is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
> operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv
both
> gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
> 300whp..
> >
> > And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
> this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >
>
>
>

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Are you sure the coils are the only difference? I would not be surprised
if they were a significant part of the equation, but it that the
difference and if so... I would be surprised if coil packs were not in the
miata's future.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Hassan Malik wrote:

> The coils made a really big difference, atleast in Danny's car. I have been
> helping danny with his car since he got it and even with his Greddy kit it
> was always the same problem. This is the first time his dyno looked nice and
> smooth and not all broken up.
>
> Hassan
> 92 Integra VTEC Turbo
> 88 RX-7 TurboII (monster in the making)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Peugeot [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:37 AM
> To: Dan Bettis
> Cc: Daniel Godelfer; (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
>
> Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
> and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
> things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)
>
> The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
> sure that the link crew can find the missing power.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:
>
> > You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
> goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
> do with my car. Just need more money now.
> >
> > Dan Bettis
> > (email redacted)
> > predatormotorsport.com
> > zrracing.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Godelfer
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> > Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> >
> > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
> great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
> e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> >
> > Here is how it fared...
> >
> > Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > Link Torque 216
> > TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
> am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >
> > The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
> operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
> normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
> just around the collector right before redline..
> >
> > Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
> that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
> there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
> happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
> turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
> a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
> pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
> with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
> had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
> turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
> perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
> 301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
> 1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
> 16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
> bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
> curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of
> made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
> 7100.
> >
> > The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
> are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
> as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
> is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
> full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >
> > I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> Torsen will be toast soon.
> >
> > I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once
> I get them..
> >
> > Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
> Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
> is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
> operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both
> gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
> 300whp..
> >
> > And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
> this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >
>
>
>

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Correction Factor.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, (email redacted) wrote:

>
> >Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
> >Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> >Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
>
> I'm easily confused, I guess? Looks to me like the Link VS Tec
> Dyno results were 289hp not 317hp? Am I missing something?
>
> Jim in Tucson
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/21/02 8:18:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> >
> > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some great
> > power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> > corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> > everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
> > them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> >
> > Here is how it fared...
> >
> > Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > Link Torque 216
> > TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I am
> > not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >
> > The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators
> > noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal
> > dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> > 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> > glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
> > just around the collector right before redline..
> >
> > Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on that
> > setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on there
> > finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I happened
> > to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo. We
> > swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a little
> > bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull on
> > the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with the
> > Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had made
> > 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn the
> > boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
> > 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.
> > Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.5*
> > of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16.5
> > (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
> > bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> > rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
> > curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
> > of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it
> > to 7100.
> >
> > The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you are
> > instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel as
> > the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it is
> > still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> > Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
> > full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >
> > I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> > Torsen will be toast soon.
> >
> > I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I
> > get them..
> >
> > Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
> > Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
> > enough is enough. Tom from <A HREF="lightningmotorsports.com/">www.lightningmotorsports.com</A> was great as the
> > dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
> > Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on
> > breaking 300whp..
> >
> > And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this
> > thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >
>
>

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At least on the surface it seems to be a pretty fair test by someone
completely unbiased (maybe even slightly biased to the link). It was a
bigger difference than I expected.

One question, were the same plug wires used with both ECU's??? Not to
nit-pick but ignition problems can be a real bugger to track down
sometimes and I have seen something as simple as spark plug wires account
for large differences.

The most bizarre things I have seen lately have been in rotary motors,
where a set of plugs (1 heat range colder) was worth 15 HP and a header
swap from a RB Header to a custom Header was worth 30 HP (at the cost of
having to pour in 10% more fuel!!!)

As ralph stated. Excellent test and I look forward to seeing the dyno
graphs...

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ralph Doehrmann wrote:

> It was confusing..
> 265-289 was with identical hardware. The 317 was with a different turbo.
> Of course there are lots of variable when "simply" swapping ecus.
> I wonder how a Link with better coils would fare? Good stuff. Thanks for
> the notes Danny.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>

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Mail From: "Hassan Malik" <(email redacted)>

Actually no on the plugs on the wires and plugs. I beleive the plugs were
new but the wires came off from my integra. They are old and used for about
35k miles. That is all we could do at 11 at night.

Hassan

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Peugeot [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:28 AM
To: Ralph Doehrmann
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



At least on the surface it seems to be a pretty fair test by someone
completely unbiased (maybe even slightly biased to the link). It was a
bigger difference than I expected.

One question, were the same plug wires used with both ECU's??? Not to
nit-pick but ignition problems can be a real bugger to track down
sometimes and I have seen something as simple as spark plug wires account
for large differences.

The most bizarre things I have seen lately have been in rotary motors,
where a set of plugs (1 heat range colder) was worth 15 HP and a header
swap from a RB Header to a custom Header was worth 30 HP (at the cost of
having to pour in 10% more fuel!!!)

As ralph stated. Excellent test and I look forward to seeing the dyno
graphs...

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ralph Doehrmann wrote:

> It was confusing..
> 265-289 was with identical hardware. The 317 was with a different turbo.
> Of course there are lots of variable when "simply" swapping ecus.
> I wonder how a Link with better coils would fare? Good stuff. Thanks for
> the notes Danny.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>

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Mail From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>

was that the new link chip with cas correction?


>From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
>To: "Xin" <(email redacted)>
>CC: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:00:50 -0600
>
>Same Snail that Ric Uses in his Kits. It gave up about 20ftlb of torque up
>to about 3300 vs a FM II sleve bearing, after that it was all over!!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Xin" <(email redacted)>
>Cc: <(email redacted)>
>Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:05 PM
>Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
> > Congrds, Danny. What kind of BIG turbo are you using?
> >
> > Xin
> >
> > Daniel Godelfer wrote:
> >
> > > Remember the only thing stopping me from squeezing power out the TEC
>is
>the
> > > fact that the turbo blew. I spent a lot more runs on the link to get
>that
> > > power...
> > >
> > > I stopped at 317 on the new turbo for sanity reasons. :D
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>
> > > To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> > >
> > > > way to go danny! cool that we now have a tec vs link test under our
>belts.
> > > > so the tec is a little higher and significantly smoother.... perhaps
>it's
> > > > logic is faster reacting in there or something.
> > > >
> > > > i'm glad its not *way* out in front only because i drive a link!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > please be careful with that rear, when mine went it was not pretty
>and
> > > > fortunately i was just off the interstate and decelerating, it was
>still
> > > bad
> > > >
> > > > have fun with that lunatic car of yours and post some kills too!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
> > > > >To: <(email redacted)>
> > > > >Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> > > > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made
>some
> > > great
> > > > >power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> > > > >corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno
>runs,
>but
> > > > >everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and
>have
> > > > >them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> > > > >
> > > > >Here is how it fared...
> > > > >
> > > > >Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > > > >Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > > > >Link Torque 216
> > > > >TEC Torque 245 ( I think
>but I
> > > am
> > > > >not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> > > > >
> > > > >The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
>operators
> > > > >noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
>normal
> > > > >dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> > > > >11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold
>did
>not
> > > > >glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This
>time
> > > was
> > > > >just around the collector right before redline..
> > > > >
> > > > >Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power
>on
> > > that
> > > > >setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was
>on
> > > there
> > > > >finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
> > > happened
> > > > >to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
>turbo.
> > > We
> > > > >swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a
>little
> > > > >bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
>pull
> > > on
> > > > >the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
>with
> > > the
> > > > >Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
>had
> > > made
> > > > >207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
>turn
> > > the
> > > > >boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
>perfect.
> > > > >11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
>301.
> > > > >Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not
>worth
> > > 1.5*
> > > > >of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to
>about
> > > 16.5
> > > > >(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected
>This
> > > > >bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some
>serious
>mid
> > > > >rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It
>held
>the
> > > HP
> > > > >curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and
>could
> > > > >of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only
>revving it
> > > > >to 7100.
> > > > >
> > > > >The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and
>you
> > > are
> > > > >instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the
>wheel
> > > as
> > > > >the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful
>because
>it
> > > is
> > > > >still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is
>insane.
> > > > >Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen
>where
>I
> > > get
> > > > >full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies
>soon.....
> > > > >Torsen will be toast soon.
> > > > >
> > > > >I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space,
>once I
> > > > >get them..
> > > > >
> > > > >Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> > > > >
> > > > >Danny
> > > > >
> > > > >Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's
>Hassan,
>and
> > > > >Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me
>when
> > > > >enough is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great
>as
>the
> > > > >dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric
>and
> > > > >Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some
>enthusiam
>on
> > > > >breaking 300whp..
> > > > >
> > > > >And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see
>what
>this
> > > > >thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Same Plugs and same type of wires. Magnecor 8.5mm. NGK ZFR7F11.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
To: "Ralph Doehrmann" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


>
> At least on the surface it seems to be a pretty fair test by someone
> completely unbiased (maybe even slightly biased to the link). It was a
> bigger difference than I expected.
>
> One question, were the same plug wires used with both ECU's??? Not to
> nit-pick but ignition problems can be a real bugger to track down
> sometimes and I have seen something as simple as spark plug wires account
> for large differences.
>
> The most bizarre things I have seen lately have been in rotary motors,
> where a set of plugs (1 heat range colder) was worth 15 HP and a header
> swap from a RB Header to a custom Header was worth 30 HP (at the cost of
> having to pour in 10% more fuel!!!)
>
> As ralph stated. Excellent test and I look forward to seeing the dyno
> graphs...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ralph Doehrmann wrote:
>
> > It was confusing..
> > 265-289 was with identical hardware. The 317 was with a different
turbo.
> > Of course there are lots of variable when "simply" swapping ecus.
> > I wonder how a Link with better coils would fare? Good stuff. Thanks
for
> > the notes Danny.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> >
> >
>

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

I dynoed with the newest chip and newest software. It had temp comp, and
the leading trailing stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


> was that the new link chip with cas correction?
>
>
> >From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
> >To: "Xin" <(email redacted)>
> >CC: <(email redacted)>
> >Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:00:50 -0600
> >
> >Same Snail that Ric Uses in his Kits. It gave up about 20ftlb of torque
up
> >to about 3300 vs a FM II sleve bearing, after that it was all over!!
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Xin" <(email redacted)>
> >Cc: <(email redacted)>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> >
> > > Congrds, Danny. What kind of BIG turbo are you using?
> > >
> > > Xin
> > >
> > > Daniel Godelfer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Remember the only thing stopping me from squeezing power out the TEC
> >is
> >the
> > > > fact that the turbo blew. I spent a lot more runs on the link to
get
> >that
> > > > power...
> > > >
> > > > I stopped at 317 on the new turbo for sanity reasons. :D
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chris P" <(email redacted)>
> > > > To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> > > >
> > > > > way to go danny! cool that we now have a tec vs link test under
our
> >belts.
> > > > > so the tec is a little higher and significantly smoother....
perhaps
> >it's
> > > > > logic is faster reacting in there or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > i'm glad its not *way* out in front only because i drive a link!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > please be careful with that rear, when mine went it was not pretty
> >and
> > > > > fortunately i was just off the interstate and decelerating, it was
> >still
> > > > bad
> > > > >
> > > > > have fun with that lunatic car of yours and post some kills too!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > >To: <(email redacted)>
> > > > > >Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0600
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made
> >some
> > > > great
> > > > > >power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on
got
> > > > > >corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno
> >runs,
> >but
> > > > > >everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow
and
> >have
> > > > > >them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here is how it fared...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > > > > >Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > > > > >Link Torque 216
> > > > > >TEC Torque 245 ( I
think
> >but I
> > > > am
> > > > > >not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
> >operators
> > > > > >noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
> >normal
> > > > > >dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> > > > > >11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold
> >did
> >not
> > > > > >glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This
> >time
> > > > was
> > > > > >just around the collector right before redline..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more
power
> >on
> > > > that
> > > > > >setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that
was
> >on
> > > > there
> > > > > >finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while.
I
> > > > happened
> > > > > >to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
> >turbo.
> > > > We
> > > > > >swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
a
> >little
> > > > > >bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time.
First
> >pull
> > > > on
> > > > > >the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
> >with
> > > > the
> > > > > >Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
> >had
> > > > made
> > > > > >207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet
to
> >turn
> > > > the
> > > > > >boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
> >perfect.
> > > > > >11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and
pulled
> >301.
> > > > > >Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not
> >worth
> > > > 1.5*
> > > > > >of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to
> >about
> > > > 16.5
> > > > > >(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected
> >This
> > > > > >bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some
> >serious
> >mid
> > > > > >rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It
> >held
> >the
> > > > HP
> > > > > >curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline,
and
> >could
> > > > > >of made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only
> >revving it
> > > > > >to 7100.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first
and
> >you
> > > > are
> > > > > >instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to
the
> >wheel
> > > > as
> > > > > >the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful
> >because
> >it
> > > > is
> > > > > >still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is
> >insane.
> > > > > >Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen
> >where
> >I
> > > > get
> > > > > >full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies
> >soon.....
> > > > > >Torsen will be toast soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some
space,
> >once I
> > > > > >get them..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy
:D
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Danny
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's
> >Hassan,
> >and
> > > > > >Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me
> >when
> > > > > >enough is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was
great
> >as
> >the
> > > > > >dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat.
Ric
> >and
> > > > > >Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some
> >enthusiam
> >on
> > > > > >breaking 300whp..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see
> >what
> >this
> > > > > >thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

Good numbers, Danny! If you were running the latest Link chip, then we've
still got our work cut out for us.


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:48 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some great
power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...

Here is how it fared...

Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
Link Torque 216
TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I am
not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)

The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno operators
noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a normal
dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
just around the collector right before redline..

Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on that
setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on there
finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I happened
to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the turbo. We
swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in a little
bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First pull on
the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with the
Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had made
207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn the
boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled 301.
Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth 1.5*
of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about 16.5
(was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This bigger
turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid rage power
gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP curve
further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of made
more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to 7100.

The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you are
instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel as
the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it is
still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane. Get
on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get full
boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.

I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
Torsen will be toast soon.

I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once I
get them..

Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D

Danny

Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com
<lightningmotorsports.com> was great as the dyno operator, and
really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both gave me
pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking 300whp..

And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what this
thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

One thing I looked at when I decided to go to the TEC was adding ignition to
the link. MSD DIS box and coils, with Two step rev limiter cost over 400.
I paid less than 400 to upgrade to the TEC with the sale of the link. It is
as simple as that. It made perfect sense to me to go with a computer that
has broken 300 in the past (with no knock), on a stock motor, vs a computer
that has not. It was very simple math to me. Well it looks like my math
paid out.

Hey Scott I know that you had done the same thing, and you know why your
results were thrown out, because Shiv helped you. People on the list
automatically take whatever Shiv does with a grain of salt. It is a shame
considering what Shiv has done with the TEC. I tuned this myself with my
friends help. I could of waited till next week when I am in San Antonio to
have Ric tune my car, but then the same thing will be thrown out because it
is biased....

I am the type of person if someone tells me that something cant be done (by
me) I will try to do it.

Greddy wont make over 200hp without NOS..............Did it
Greddy wont run 12's withou NOS..............................Did it
Greddy wont make more power than Similar FM car....Did it
Link wont make over 300hp........................................Tried and
failed.
Tec wont make more power than link............................Did it
Only shiv or Ric can tune over 300 whp........................I did it.

You can ask my friends. I love to prove people wrong. Ask Jim Bobowski,
Mark Peugeot, Jess Gypin, Scott Wegner, and Ric Stevens. When I went to the
1.8 and big turbo I wanted to be the first to break 300whp with a link and a
stock motor... Well 19 dyno runs later and a total top end gain of about
5hp I gave up. I did everything. I turned the boost up, cranked the timing
up, leaned it out, richened it up, everything and it would not make more
power... It hit a damn wall......Still dont know what the hell
happened.....But it would not make more power...

First run on the TEC was 281. For the Next 6 or so runs all I did was
smooth A/F. The last 2 were playing with timing but the turbo blew... I
am wondering how big the margin would of been...

Danny


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott MacLean" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


> 24whp is nothing to sneeze at and the 289 was on a dying turbo which
> limited the tune time (per Danny's post)
>
> Considering that the ECU prices are so similar 24whp in those
circumstances
> is great and maybe a final answer?
>
> >
> >>Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> >>Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> >>Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> >
> > I'm easily confused, I guess? Looks to me like the Link VS Tec
> > Dyno results were 289hp not 317hp? Am I missing something?
> >
> > Jim in Tucson
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/21/02 8:18:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> > (email redacted) writes:
> >
> >>
> >> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
> >> great
> >> power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> >> corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs,
> >> but everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow
> >> and have them e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> >>
> >> Here is how it fared...
> >>
> >> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> >> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> >> Link Torque 216
> >> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but
> >> I am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >>
> >> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
> >> operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked
> >> like a normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F
> >> to about 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The
> >> Manifold did not glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very
> >> brightly. This time was just around the collector right before
> >> redline..
> >>
> >> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
> >> that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that
> >> was on there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a
> >> while. I happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We
> >> decided to swap the turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for
> >> about 15min to break it in a little bit. I know this was too
> >> little but I was short on time. First pull on the same ignition map
> >> and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it with the Boost controller
> >> off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link had made 207 with
> >> the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to turn the
> >> boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was perfect.
> >> 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
> >> 301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was
> >> not worth 1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the
> >> boost to about 16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of
> >> torque uncorrected This bigger turbo since much better suited to the
> >> motor made some serious mid rage power gains. In some spots close to
> >> 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP curve further. The HP curve kept
> >> on making power to redline, and could of made more power if we reved
> >> it to about 7500. We were only revving it to 7100.
> >>
> >> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and
> >> you are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on
> >> to the wheel as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be
> >> careful because it is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on
> >> the interstate is insane. Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before
> >> 4150. I haven't seen where I get full boost at by starting at
> >> 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >>
> >> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> >> Torsen will be toast soon.
> >>
> >> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space,
> >> once I get them..
> >>
> >> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> >>
> >> Danny
> >>
> >> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan,
> >> and Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me
> >> when enough is enough. Tom from <A
> >>
>
HREF="lightningmotorsports.com/">www.lightningmotorsports.com</A>
> >> was great as the dyno operator, and really helped me get the AF
> >> dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both gave me pointers on how to tune
> >> the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking 300whp..
> >>
> >> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
> >> this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >>
>
>
>
>

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Mail From: Ray <(email redacted)>

IIRC Bill's already got one ... just looking for time to install it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
To: "Dan Bettis" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)

The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
sure that the link crew can find the missing power.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:

> You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
do with my car. Just need more money now.
>
> Dan Bettis
> (email redacted)
> predatormotorsport.com
> zrracing.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Godelfer
> To: (email redacted)
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>
> Here is how it fared...
>
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> Link Torque 216
> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
just around the collector right before redline..
>
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of
made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
7100.
>
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
Torsen will be toast soon.
>
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once
I get them..
>
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>
> Danny
>
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both
gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
300whp..
>
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

Yes, I've got a Tec, a DTA and probably getting an autronic. "Might" even
try the low end Motronic.

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:45 AM
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


IIRC Bill's already got one ... just looking for time to install it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
To: "Dan Bettis" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)

The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
sure that the link crew can find the missing power.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:

> You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
do with my car. Just need more money now.
>
> Dan Bettis
> (email redacted)
> predatormotorsport.com
> zrracing.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Godelfer
> To: (email redacted)
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>
> Here is how it fared...
>
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> Link Torque 216
> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
just around the collector right before redline..
>
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of
made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
7100.
>
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
Torsen will be toast soon.
>
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once
I get them..
>
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>
> Danny
>
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both
gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
300whp..
>
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>

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Mail From: J Bobowski <(email redacted)>

But if 280+hp means I'll start replacing transmissions
and torsens, I'll stay with the Link & 265hp. Still
spanks everything I've come across. (well, except that
600hp Supra ;)
Jim

--- Bill Cardell <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Good numbers, Danny! If you were running the latest
> Link chip, then we've
> still got our work cut out for us.
>
>
> Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> (email redacted)
> Flyin' Miata
> 1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
> 970-242-3800 (tech support)
> flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:48 PM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news.
> The car made some great
> power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno
> runs home on got
> corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the
> other dyno runs, but
> everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the
> shop tomorrow and have them
> e-mail me the files. I will have them soon
> though...
>
> Here is how it fared...
>
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected
> hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected
> hp
> Link Torque
> 216
> TEC Torque
> 245 ( I think but I am
> not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the
> link. The dyno operators
> noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It
> looked like a normal
> dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the
> A/F to about
> 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400.
> The Manifold did not
> glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very
> brightly. This time was
> just around the collector right before redline..
>
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of
> made more power on that
> setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the
> turbo that was on there
> finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going
> for a while. I happened
> to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided
> to swap the turbo. We
> swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to
> break it in a little
> bit. I know this was too little but I was short
> on time. First pull on
> the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the
> zones we ran it with the
> Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made
> 230whp. The link had made
> 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy
> as I had yet to turn the
> boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F
> was. 6% was perfect.
> 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear
> pull and pulled 301.
> Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock.
> 2hp was not worth 1.5*
> of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned
> the boost to about 16.5
> (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque
> uncorrected This bigger
> turbo since much better suited to the motor made
> some serious mid rage power
> gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It
> held the HP curve
> further. The HP curve kept on making power to
> redline, and could of made
> more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were
> only revving it to 7100.
>
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on
> it in first and you are
> instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and
> hold on to the wheel as
> the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and
> be careful because it is
> still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the
> interstate is insane. Get
> on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I
> haven't seen where I get full
> boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than
> trannies soon.....
> Torsen will be toast soon.
>
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give
> me some space, once I
> get them..
>
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power
> than the Greddy :D
>
> Danny
>
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My
> friend's Hassan, and
> Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning,
> and telling me when enough
> is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com
> <lightningmotorsports.com> was great as
> the dyno operator, and
> really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
> Shiv both gave me
> pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam
> on breaking 300whp..
>
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the
> help... Lets see what this
> thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>
>


__________________________________________________
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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Well I going after those guys :D I was breaking trannies at 220whp...
Just think about it now... Time for the Turbo II upgrade.....

Danny

----- Original Message -----
From: "J Bobowski" <(email redacted)>
To: "Bill Cardell" <(email redacted)>; "'Daniel Godelfer'"
<(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


> But if 280+hp means I'll start replacing transmissions
> and torsens, I'll stay with the Link & 265hp. Still
> spanks everything I've come across. (well, except that
> 600hp Supra ;)
> Jim
>
> --- Bill Cardell <(email redacted)> wrote:
> > Good numbers, Danny! If you were running the latest
> > Link chip, then we've
> > still got our work cut out for us.
> >
> >
> > Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> > (email redacted)
> > Flyin' Miata
> > 1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
> > 970-242-3800 (tech support)
> > flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:48 PM
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> >
> > Well I have some good news and some bad news.
> > The car made some great
> > power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno
> > runs home on got
> > corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the
> > other dyno runs, but
> > everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the
> > shop tomorrow and have them
> > e-mail me the files. I will have them soon
> > though...
> >
> > Here is how it fared...
> >
> > Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected
> > hp
> > Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected
> > hp
> > Link Torque
> > 216
> > TEC Torque
> > 245 ( I think but I am
> > not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >
> > The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the
> > link. The dyno operators
> > noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It
> > looked like a normal
> > dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the
> > A/F to about
> > 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400.
> > The Manifold did not
> > glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very
> > brightly. This time was
> > just around the collector right before redline..
> >
> > Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of
> > made more power on that
> > setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the
> > turbo that was on there
> > finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going
> > for a while. I happened
> > to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided
> > to swap the turbo. We
> > swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to
> > break it in a little
> > bit. I know this was too little but I was short
> > on time. First pull on
> > the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the
> > zones we ran it with the
> > Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made
> > 230whp. The link had made
> > 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy
> > as I had yet to turn the
> > boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F
> > was. 6% was perfect.
> > 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear
> > pull and pulled 301.
> > Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock.
> > 2hp was not worth 1.5*
> > of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned
> > the boost to about 16.5
> > (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque
> > uncorrected This bigger
> > turbo since much better suited to the motor made
> > some serious mid rage power
> > gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It
> > held the HP curve
> > further. The HP curve kept on making power to
> > redline, and could of made
> > more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were
> > only revving it to 7100.
> >
> > The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on
> > it in first and you are
> > instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and
> > hold on to the wheel as
> > the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and
> > be careful because it is
> > still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the
> > interstate is insane. Get
> > on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I
> > haven't seen where I get full
> > boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >
> > I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than
> > trannies soon.....
> > Torsen will be toast soon.
> >
> > I will post the files somewhere if someone can give
> > me some space, once I
> > get them..
> >
> > Both of the turbos today made more low end power
> > than the Greddy :D
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My
> > friend's Hassan, and
> > Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning,
> > and telling me when enough
> > is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com
> > <lightningmotorsports.com> was great as
> > the dyno operator, and
> > really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and
> > Shiv both gave me
> > pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam
> > on breaking 300whp..
> >
> > And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the
> > help... Lets see what this
> > thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Mail From: Ray <(email redacted)>

Danny, would you be willing to post your Link tuning map used for the
previous dyno run along with the TEC tuning map?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
To: "Dan Bettis" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!



Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)

The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
sure that the link crew can find the missing power.

Mark


On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:

> You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
do with my car. Just need more money now.
>
> Dan Bettis
> (email redacted)
> predatormotorsport.com
> zrracing.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Godelfer
> To: (email redacted)
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
> Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have them
e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
>
> Here is how it fared...
>
> Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> Link Torque 216
> TEC Torque 245 ( I think but I
am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
>
> The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like a
normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
just around the collector right before redline..
>
> Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it in
a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time. First
pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet to
turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and pulled
301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not worth
1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected This
bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the HP
curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could of
made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
7100.
>
> The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and you
are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the wheel
as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because it
is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
>
> I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
Torsen will be toast soon.
>
> I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space, once
I get them..
>
> Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
>
> Danny
>
> Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan, and
Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when enough
is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv both
gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
300whp..
>
> And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
>

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Mail From: "Tom Graham" <(email redacted)>

Somebody should ask Danny if the timing was the same for both the Link and
the TEC.

So how 'bout it Danny, was the timing the same? What about plug gap.

Tom

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

No Problem.... Once I get the lap top back. I have to borrow it every
time, and its like pulling teeth..

Same plug gap also..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!


> Danny, would you be willing to post your Link tuning map used for the
> previous dyno run along with the TEC tuning map?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Dan Bettis" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
>
>
>
> Now if I was in the Link camp, I know that I would be buying myself a TEC
> and figuring out exactly what is different because there are only 2
> things... TIMING AND FUEL. (well there are the coils too.)
>
> The engines are exactly the same and the tests done back to back. I am
> sure that the link crew can find the missing power.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Dan Bettis wrote:
>
> > You have to love all that time they spent developing the TEC. Just
> goes to show why so many people who race use it. That's my next thing to
> do with my car. Just need more money now.
> >
> > Dan Bettis
> > (email redacted)
> > predatormotorsport.com
> > zrracing.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daniel Godelfer
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:48 PM
> > Subject: Link VS Tec Dyno results....317hp!!!
> >
> >
> > Well I have some good news and some bad news. The car made some
> great power today. But the disk that I brought the dyno runs home on got
> corrupted somehow on just my files. It got all the other dyno runs, but
> everyone on my car got screwed. I will call the shop tomorrow and have
them
> e-mail me the files. I will have them soon though...
> >
> > Here is how it fared...
> >
> > Best Link with EXACT SAME SETUP... 265 Uncorrected hp
> > Best TEC with EXACT SAME SETUP... 289 Uncorrected hp
> > Link Torque 216
> > TEC Torque 245 ( I think but
I
> am not sure, but it was about 30ftlb.)
> >
> > The TEC's Dyno chart was MUCH smoother than the link. The dyno
> operators noted how much smoother my car was on the dyno. It looked like
a
> normal dyno chart, no spikes and jagged edges.. I got the A/F to about
> 11.5:1-12:1. EGT's were low and just around 1400. The Manifold did not
> glow as much this time. Last time it glowed very brightly. This time was
> just around the collector right before redline..
> >
> > Here is where the good stuff comes in. I could of made more power on
> that setup (maybe broken 300, but I am not sure) but the turbo that was on
> there finally blew the rear oil seal. It has been going for a while. I
> happened to have my nice big turbo sitting there. We decided to swap the
> turbo. We swapped the turbo and let it idle for about 15min to break it
in
> a little bit. I know this was too little but I was short on time.
First
> pull on the same ignition map and 6% more fuel across the zones we ran it
> with the Boost controller off. At 7lb of boost it made 230whp. The link
> had made 207 with the other turbo. This made me very happy as I had yet
to
> turn the boost up. We did a 3rd gear pull to see how A/F was. 6% was
> perfect. 11.5:1 across the boosted zones. We did a 4th gear pull and
pulled
> 301. Added a little timing and got to 303 with no knock. 2hp was not
worth
> 1.5* of timing so I pulled it back out. We then turned the boost to about
> 16.5 (was 15 before) and got 317hp and 291 ftlb of torque uncorrected
This
> bigger turbo since much better suited to the motor made some serious mid
> rage power gains. In some spots close to 65ftlb of torque. It held the H
P
> curve further. The HP curve kept on making power to redline, and could
of
> made more power if we reved it to about 7500. We were only revving it to
> 7100.
> >
> > The car is a BEAST on street now. Roll or stomp on it in first and
you
> are instantly at fuel cut from wheel spin. Hit 2nd and hold on to the
wheel
> as the car is jumping across lanes. Shift to 3rd and be careful because
it
> is still getting loose in the back. 5th gear on the interstate is insane.
> Get on the gas at 4000 full boost before 4150. I haven't seen where I get
> full boost at by starting at 2000rpm, but I will later.
> >
> > I have a feeling that I will be breaking more than trannies soon.....
> Torsen will be toast soon.
> >
> > I will post the files somewhere if someone can give me some space,
once
> I get them..
> >
> > Both of the turbos today made more low end power than the Greddy :D
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > Ohh yea there are a few people I have to thank. My friend's Hassan,
and
> Archie helped me out a lot today with the tuning, and telling me when
enough
> is enough. Tom from www.lightningmotorsports.com was great as the dyno
> operator, and really helped me get the AF dialed in flat. Ric and Shiv
both
> gave me pointers on how to tune the TEC, and some enthusiam on breaking
> 300whp..
> >
> > And Thanks to everyone on the List for all the help... Lets see what
> this thing will do at the track tomorrow night!!
> >
>
>