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Mail From: pm <(email redacted)>

hi,

i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly rebuilt
motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings will
seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive oil
loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings and out
every seal in the new motor).

is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with three
ty-raps but it does not look very secure.

tia,
peter

--
It indicates the quality of the logic?
A: It is contrary to logical thought
Q: Why is top posting bad?

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Mail From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>

Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't have
a vacuum leak.


KEN


On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> hi,
>
> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly rebuilt
> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings will
> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive oil
> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings and out
> every seal in the new motor).
>
> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with three
> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
>
> tia,
> peter
>
> --
> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> Q: Why is top posting bad?

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removing the
vacuum is going to let it try to close.


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open


> Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't have
> a vacuum leak.
>
>
> KEN
>
>
> On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly
>> rebuilt
>> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings will
>> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive oil
>> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings and
>> out
>> every seal in the new motor).
>>
>> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with three
>> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
>>
>> tia,
>> peter
>>
>> --
>> It indicates the quality of the logic?
>> A: It is contrary to logical thought
>> Q: Why is top posting bad?
>

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Mail From: "Ray" <(email redacted)>

Please don't shoot the messenger but if you've really been blowing high-boo=
st combustion products past the unseated rings then the rings may very well=
have become annealed by the heat. If so they won't have enough springines=
s left to seat. BTDT once even without boost.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: pm=20
To: Miatapower=20
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: keeping jr/sc bypass open


hi,

i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly rebu=
ilt motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings wil=
l seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive oil=
loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings and ou=
t every seal in the new motor).=20

is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with three =
ty-raps but it does not look very secure.

tia,
peter

--=20
It indicates the quality of the logic?
A: It is contrary to logical thought=20
Q: Why is top posting bad?=20=

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Mail From: pm <(email redacted)>

On Dec 15, 2007 4:14 PM, Ray <(email redacted)> wrote:

> Please don't shoot the messenger
>
nah, i would go to the source of the problem...


> but if you've really been blowing high-boost combustion products past the
> unseated rings then the rings may very well have become annealed by the
> heat. If so they won't have enough springiness left to seat. BTDT once
> even without boost.
>
and you determined this by a compression and leak down test?

it doesnt look pretty for me does it?


peter
--
It indicates the quality of the logic?
A: It is contrary to logical thought
Q: Why is top posting bad?

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Mail From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>

Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!

I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.

KEN


On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removing the
> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>
>
> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't have
> > a vacuum leak.
> >
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly
> >> rebuilt
> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings will
> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive oil
> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings and
> >> out
> >> every seal in the new motor).
> >>
> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with three
> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
> >>
> >> tia,
> >> peter
> >>
> >> --
> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
> >
>
>

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the bypass worked!!
:)


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open


> Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
>
> I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
>
> KEN
>
>
> On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
>> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removing the
>> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
>> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
>> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>>
>> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
>> Masters Miata
>> RAGS 074
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
>> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
>> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>>
>>
>> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't have
>> > a vacuum leak.
>> >
>> >
>> > KEN
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly
>> >> rebuilt
>> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings
>> >> will
>> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive
>> >> oil
>> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings
>> >> and
>> >> out
>> >> every seal in the new motor).
>> >>
>> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with
>> >> three
>> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
>> >>
>> >> tia,
>> >> peter
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
>> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
>> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
>> >
>>
>>

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Mail From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>

Per Tom at FFS, I am consider re-plumbing my bypass to the vacuum
distribution block instead of the intake so the bypass will no longer
see boost. It just needs to see atmospheric pressure to close.

I have gone through 2 bypass actuators this year, blowing out the
diaphragms. This should eliminate the positive pressure from the unit.

Of course, this does not solve the original question.

KEN


On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the bypass worked!!
> :)
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>
>
> > Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
> >
> > I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removing the
> >> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >>
> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> Masters Miata
> >> RAGS 074
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
> >> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >>
> >>
> >> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't have
> >> > a vacuum leak.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > KEN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my newly
> >> >> rebuilt
> >> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings
> >> >> will
> >> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the massive
> >> >> oil
> >> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings
> >> >> and
> >> >> out
> >> >> every seal in the new motor).
> >> >>
> >> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with
> >> >> three
> >> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
> >> >>
> >> >> tia,
> >> >> peter
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> >> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> >> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>
>

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

Describe what you mean by the vacuum distribution block?


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open


> Per Tom at FFS, I am consider re-plumbing my bypass to the vacuum
> distribution block instead of the intake so the bypass will no longer
> see boost. It just needs to see atmospheric pressure to close.
>
> I have gone through 2 bypass actuators this year, blowing out the
> diaphragms. This should eliminate the positive pressure from the unit.
>
> Of course, this does not solve the original question.
>
> KEN
>
>
> On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
>> You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the bypass
>> worked!!
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
>> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
>> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>>
>> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
>> Masters Miata
>> RAGS 074
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
>> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
>> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>>
>>
>> > Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
>> >
>> > I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
>> >
>> > KEN
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
>> >> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removing
>> >> the
>> >> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Larry
>> >>
>> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
>> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
>> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>> >>
>> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
>> >> Masters Miata
>> >> RAGS 074
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
>> >> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
>> >> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't
>> >> > have
>> >> > a vacuum leak.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > KEN
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
>> >> >> hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my
>> >> >> newly
>> >> >> rebuilt
>> >> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the
>> >> >> massive
>> >> >> oil
>> >> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> every seal in the new motor).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with
>> >> >> three
>> >> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> tia,
>> >> >> peter
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
>> >> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
>> >> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

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Mail From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>

It is just a junction block for tapping into the vacuum. FFS kits come with one.

Here is detail on the proposed change:
fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1037


KEN

On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Describe what you mean by the vacuum distribution block?
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>
>
> > Per Tom at FFS, I am consider re-plumbing my bypass to the vacuum
> > distribution block instead of the intake so the bypass will no longer
> > see boost. It just needs to see atmospheric pressure to close.
> >
> > I have gone through 2 bypass actuators this year, blowing out the
> > diaphragms. This should eliminate the positive pressure from the unit.
> >
> > Of course, this does not solve the original question.
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the bypass
> >> worked!!
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >>
> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> Masters Miata
> >> RAGS 074
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> >> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >>
> >>
> >> > Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
> >> >
> >> > I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
> >> >
> >> > KEN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removing
> >> >> the
> >> >> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >>
> >> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >> >>
> >> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> >> Masters Miata
> >> >> RAGS 074
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > a vacuum leak.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KEN
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> >> hi,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my
> >> >> >> newly
> >> >> >> rebuilt
> >> >> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the rings
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the
> >> >> >> massive
> >> >> >> oil
> >> >> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the rings
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> every seal in the new motor).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open with
> >> >> >> three
> >> >> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> tia,
> >> >> >> peter
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> >> >> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> >> >> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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Mail From: "Ray" <(email redacted)>

This was the first motor I ever rebuilt, a '55 Chev.V8. I was young and im=
patient and was driving it full throttle after the 1st 20 miles. 10K miles=
later the rings still hadn't seated so I took it apart again and found the=
problem. I was blaming the ring mfgr until my dad explained it to me.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: pm=20
To: Ray=20
Cc: Miatapower=20
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open





On Dec 15, 2007 4:14 PM, Ray <(email redacted)> wrote:

Please don't shoot the messenger=20
nah, i would go to the source of the problem...
=20=20=20

but if you've really been blowing high-boost combustion products past t=
he unseated rings then the rings may very well have become annealed by the =
heat. If so they won't have enough springiness left to seat. BTDT once ev=
en without boost.
and you determined this by a compression and leak down test?

it doesnt look pretty for me does it?

=20=20=20
peter
--=20
It indicates the quality of the logic?=20
A: It is contrary to logical thought
Q: Why is top posting bad?=20=

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Mail From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>

I thought the JRSC was already set up that way? The bypass is plumbed in be=
tween the throttle body and the supercharger inlet. That's how the Uber wor=
ked too.

Keith


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) on behalf of Ken Bogart
Sent: Sun 12/16/2007 7:59 AM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: pm; Miatapower
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
=20
It is just a junction block for tapping into the vacuum. FFS kits come with=
one.

Here is detail on the proposed change:
fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D1037


KEN

On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Describe what you mean by the vacuum distribution block?
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>
>
> > Per Tom at FFS, I am consider re-plumbing my bypass to the vacuum
> > distribution block instead of the intake so the bypass will no longer
> > see boost. It just needs to see atmospheric pressure to close.
> >
> > I have gone through 2 bypass actuators this year, blowing out the
> > diaphragms. This should eliminate the positive pressure from the unit.
> >
> > Of course, this does not solve the original question.
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the bypass
> >> worked!!
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >>
> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> Masters Miata
> >> RAGS 074
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> >> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >>
> >>
> >> > Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
> >> >
> >> > I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
> >> >
> >> > KEN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so removi=
ng
> >> >> the
> >> >> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >>
> >> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >> >>
> >> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> >> Masters Miata
> >> >> RAGS 074
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don't
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > a vacuum leak.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KEN
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> >> hi,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my
> >> >> >> newly
> >> >> >> rebuilt
> >> >> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the ri=
ngs
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the
> >> >> >> massive
> >> >> >> oil
> >> >> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the ri=
ngs
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> every seal in the new motor).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open wi=
th
> >> >> >> three
> >> >> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> tia,
> >> >> >> peter
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> >> >> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> >> >> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

RE: keeping jr/sc bypass openWell I think your right about the JRSC being s=
etup that way but if Ken is mentioning the distribution block I'm guessing =
he's not running a JRSC since it doesn't have that block.


Larry
=20
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
=20
LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Keith Tanner=20
To: Ken Bogart ; Larry Alster=20
Cc: pm ; Miatapower=20
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: keeping jr/sc bypass open


I thought the JRSC was already set up that way? The bypass is plumbed in =
between the throttle body and the supercharger inlet. That's how the Uber w=
orked too.

Keith


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) on behalf of Ken Bogart
Sent: Sun 12/16/2007 7:59 AM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: pm; Miatapower
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open

It is just a junction block for tapping into the vacuum. FFS kits come wi=
th one.

Here is detail on the proposed change:
fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D1037


KEN

On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Describe what you mean by the vacuum distribution block?
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>
>
> > Per Tom at FFS, I am consider re-plumbing my bypass to the vacuum
> > distribution block instead of the intake so the bypass will no longer
> > see boost. It just needs to see atmospheric pressure to close.
> >
> > I have gone through 2 bypass actuators this year, blowing out the
> > diaphragms. This should eliminate the positive pressure from the unit.
> >
> > Of course, this does not solve the original question.
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the bypass
> >> worked!!
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >>
> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> Masters Miata
> >> RAGS 074
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> >> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower" <(email redacted)=
t>
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >>
> >>
> >> > Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
> >> >
> >> > I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
> >> >
> >> > KEN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass open so remo=
ving
> >> >> the
> >> >> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >>
> >> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> >> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> >> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >> >>
> >> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> >> Masters Miata
> >> >> RAGS 074
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose so you don=
't
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > a vacuum leak.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KEN
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> >> hi,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new belt on my
> >> >> >> newly
> >> >> >> rebuilt
> >> >> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to see if the =
rings
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will stop the
> >> >> >> massive
> >> >> >> oil
> >> >> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air past the =
rings
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> every seal in the new motor).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have it open =
with
> >> >> >> three
> >> >> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> tia,
> >> >> >> peter
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> >> >> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> >> >> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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Mail From: "Bill Cardell" <(email redacted)>

Read the fine print. It's an FFS system Ken is talking about. We learned
the same lesson with the old FMIII systems, which used the magnusson
bypass valve. The diaphragm doesn't like to see boost.
=20
Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
Flyin' Miata
1-800-FLY-MX5S
www.flyinmiata.com
=20

________________________________

From: Larry Alster [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:44 AM
To: Keith Tanner; Ken Bogart
Cc: pm; Miatapower
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open


Well I think your right about the JRSC being setup that way but if Ken
is mentioning the distribution block I'm guessing he's not running a
JRSC since it doesn't have that block.
=20
=20
Larry
=20
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
=20
LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Keith Tanner <mailto:(email redacted)>=20=20
To: Ken Bogart <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Larry Alster
<mailto:(email redacted)>=20=20
Cc: pm <mailto:(email redacted)> ; Miatapower
<mailto:(email redacted)>=20=20
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: keeping jr/sc bypass open


I thought the JRSC was already set up that way? The bypass is
plumbed in between the throttle body and the supercharger inlet. That's
how the Uber worked too.
=09
Keith
=09
=09
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) on behalf of Ken Bogart
Sent: Sun 12/16/2007 7:59 AM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: pm; Miatapower
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
=09
It is just a junction block for tapping into the vacuum. FFS
kits come with one.
=09
Here is detail on the proposed change:
=09
fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3D1037
=09
=09
KEN
=09
On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Describe what you mean by the vacuum distribution block?
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR
Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower"
<(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
>
>
> > Per Tom at FFS, I am consider re-plumbing my bypass to the
vacuum
> > distribution block instead of the intake so the bypass will
no longer
> > see boost. It just needs to see atmospheric pressure to
close.
> >
> > I have gone through 2 bypass actuators this year, blowing
out the
> > diaphragms. This should eliminate the positive pressure from
the unit.
> >
> > Of course, this does not solve the original question.
> >
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > On 12/16/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> You scared me for a minute, I thought I wasn't sure how the
bypass
> >> worked!!
> >> :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+
Turbo
> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR
Supercharger
> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >>
> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> Masters Miata
> >> RAGS 074
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> >> Cc: "pm" <(email redacted)>; "Miatapower"
<(email redacted)>
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >>
> >>
> >> > Oop! You are right, I don't know what I was thinking!
> >> >
> >> > I would use wire ties or remove the SC belt.
> >> >
> >> > KEN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/15/07, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> I'm confused. It's the vacuum that holds the bypass
open so removing
> >> >> the
> >> >> vacuum is going to let it try to close.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >>
> >> >> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> >> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+
Turbo
> >> >> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR
Supercharger
> >> >> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
> >> >>
> >> >> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> >> >> Masters Miata
> >> >> RAGS 074
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Ken Bogart" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> To: "pm" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Cc: "Miatapower" <(email redacted)>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:31 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Remove the vacuum hose from it, and plug up the hose
so you don't
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > a vacuum leak.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KEN
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 12/15/07, pm <(email redacted)> wrote:
> >> >> >> hi,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> i decided to follow the list's advice and put a new
belt on my
> >> >> >> newly
> >> >> >> rebuilt
> >> >> >> motor and super charger and tie the bypass open to
see if the rings
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> seat after a few thousnad more mile hoping that will
stop the
> >> >> >> massive
> >> >> >> oil
> >> >> >> loss fromthe seals (i guess the blower i forcing air
past the rings
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> every seal in the new motor).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> is there an easy way to hold the bypass open? i have
it open with
> >> >> >> three
> >> >> >> ty-raps but it does not look very secure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> tia,
> >> >> >> peter
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> It indicates the quality of the logic?
> >> >> >> A: It is contrary to logical thought
> >> >> >> Q: Why is top posting bad?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
=09
=09

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Mail From: "Ray" <(email redacted)>

Only with a 600 grit final hone after boring with a decent deck plate. We =
did 400 back then and didn't know about deck plates ... and lots of low-end=
shops still do 400 today and don't use deck plates.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: Ray=20
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: keeping jr/sc bypass open


so I'm guessing you don't buy the theory of a few hard throttle apps and =
hard decels early on?

Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
Flyin' Miata
1-800-FLY-MX5S
www.flyinmiata.com




---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
From: Ray [mailto:(email redacted)]=20
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:57 AM
To: pm
Cc: Miatapower
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open


This was the first motor I ever rebuilt, a '55 Chev.V8. I was young and =
impatient and was driving it full throttle after the 1st 20 miles. 10K mil=
es later the rings still hadn't seated so I took it apart again and found t=
he problem. I was blaming the ring mfgr until my dad explained it to me.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: pm=20
To: Ray=20
Cc: Miatapower=20
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: keeping jr/sc bypass open





On Dec 15, 2007 4:14 PM, Ray <(email redacted)> wrote:

Please don't shoot the messenger=20
nah, i would go to the source of the problem...
=20=20=20=20=20

but if you've really been blowing high-boost combustion products past=
the unseated rings then the rings may very well have become annealed by th=
e heat. If so they won't have enough springiness left to seat. BTDT once =
even without boost.
and you determined this by a compression and leak down test?

it doesnt look pretty for me does it?

=20=20=20=20=20
peter
--=20
It indicates the quality of the logic?=20
A: It is contrary to logical thought
Q: Why is top posting bad?=20=