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Mail From: "Robert McElwee" <(email redacted)>

Hehehehe, Larry has spoken the truth:

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:

> There is nothing fancy about this engine other than it's built to have
> the snot beat out of it forever.
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> Larry
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> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5
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> *From:* (email redacted) [mailto:
> (email redacted)] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2008 6:59 PM
> *To:* (email redacted)
> *Subject:* Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)
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> Well I was researching the OTM Dodge Neon I will probably be buying, they
> have 2 liters, are 300lb heavier, with 20% more horsepower and get 50%
> BETTER gas mileage (high 30's highway)
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> I wonder if the 1.6 Miata runs rich by design or something. I mean it's a
> lighter car with smaller displacement. Could the O2 Sensor be intercepted
> top force a leaner condition for cruising?
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> Also, low rolling resistance tires would help, for plain daily driving. Yes
> I know they won't stop or turn as good so save the smart remarks and jokes,
> there can be track tires for that. ;)
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> treehugger.com/files/2005/05/low_rolling_res.php
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> At 2200lbs and 1.6 liters this should be a 40MPG car
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Mail From: "Chris" <(email redacted)>

Hey I wonder if the neon motor would fit as a swap? That would be 45MPG
easy, and more power and lots more torque. And you can beat the snot out of
it just as much.



Seriously, wonder if the dimensions work out.



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From: Robert McElwee [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:27 PM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)



Hehehehe, Larry has spoken the truth:

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Larry Alster <(email redacted)> wrote:

There is nothing fancy about this engine other than it's built to have the
snot beat out of it forever.







Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074



From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:59 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)



Well I was researching the OTM Dodge Neon I will probably be buying, they
have 2 liters, are 300lb heavier, with 20% more horsepower and get 50%
BETTER gas mileage (high 30's highway)



I wonder if the 1.6 Miata runs rich by design or something. I mean it's a
lighter car with smaller displacement. Could the O2 Sensor be intercepted
top force a leaner condition for cruising?



Also, low rolling resistance tires would help, for plain daily driving. Yes
I know they won't stop or turn as good so save the smart remarks and jokes,
there can be track tires for that. ;)



treehugger.com/files/2005/05/low_rolling_res.php





At 2200lbs and 1.6 liters this should be a 40MPG car






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It is a tall engine. I believe one of the Jeep Liberty bellhousings can be
used to convert it to RWD as it was the base engine for a while.

The Neon gets good milage compared to the Miata primarily from ECU tuning
and somewhat from the fact it is FWD. You would have to adapt the Neon ECU as
running it on the Miata ECU would give you the same milage issues. My
opinion is not to spend the money and time to convert to a Neon engine but get an
ECU and tune the existing Miata engine. If you insist on a swap the Protege
had a SOHC 1.8 that drops in and accomplishes the same thing. You would still
need an ECU.



Hey I wonder if the neon motor would fit as a swap? That would be 45MPG
easy, and more power and lots more torque. And you can beat the snot out of it
just as much.
Seriously, wonder if the dimensions work out.






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Slower acceleration, but better MPG is possible if you change the GEARING.
How much cash are you willing to spend to save money on gas?

Skinny, low rolling resistance tires will also improve MPG, but braking
distances will be longer and handling will suffer.



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Mail From: "Tim South" <(email redacted)>

Here's a data point for you. I have a mechanically dead stock '91 and =
a '91 FMII with Link. Both cars have hardtops and split duty as highway =
commuters. The stock car rides on 195 section width tires, the FMII on =
215. The stock cars gets about 32 MPG when driven lightly, ~70 MPH =
cruise, The FMII car gets 30-31. The FMII car has a 4:10 Torsen as =
well, and is wired for sequential injection. YMMV.
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To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)


It is a tall engine. I believe one of the Jeep Liberty bellhousings =
can be used to convert it to RWD as it was the base engine for a while.

The Neon gets good milage compared to the Miata primarily from ECU =
tuning and somewhat from the fact it is FWD. You would have to adapt the =
Neon ECU as running it on the Miata ECU would give you the same milage =
issues. My opinion is not to spend the money and time to convert to a =
Neon engine but get an ECU and tune the existing Miata engine. If you =
insist on a swap the Protege had a SOHC 1.8 that drops in and =
accomplishes the same thing. You would still need an ECU.

=20
Hey I wonder if the neon motor would fit as a swap? That would be =
45MPG easy, and more power and lots more torque. And you can beat the =
snot out of it just as much.=20

=20

Seriously, wonder if the dimensions work out.







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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

Bet you would make up the MPG difference if the FM II car ran the skinny
tires.







Larry

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Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 SM2 FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow #99 SM2L JR Supercharger
Whooosh 2004 Titanium Mazdaspeed MX-5

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Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:29 AM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)



Here's a data point for you. I have a mechanically dead stock '91 and a
'91 FMII with Link. Both cars have hardtops and split duty as highway
commuters. The stock car rides on 195 section width tires, the FMII on 215.
The stock cars gets about 32 MPG when driven lightly, ~70 MPH cruise, The
FMII car gets 30-31. The FMII car has a 4:10 Torsen as well, and is wired
for sequential injection. YMMV.

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To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)

Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:39 AM

Subject: Re: Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)



It is a tall engine. I believe one of the Jeep Liberty bellhousings can be
used to convert it to RWD as it was the base engine for a while.



The Neon gets good milage compared to the Miata primarily from ECU tuning
and somewhat from the fact it is FWD. You would have to adapt the Neon ECU
as running it on the Miata ECU would give you the same milage issues. My
opinion is not to spend the money and time to convert to a Neon engine but
get an ECU and tune the existing Miata engine. If you insist on a swap the
Protege had a SOHC 1.8 that drops in and accomplishes the same thing. You
would still need an ECU.





Hey I wonder if the neon motor would fit as a swap? That would be 45MPG
easy, and more power and lots more torque. And you can beat the snot out of
it just as much.



Seriously, wonder if the dimensions work out.








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Mail From: "Bill Cardell" <(email redacted)>

I agree there is mileage to be had in the ecu. I was getting 33 with a
big turbo on a two liter in our speed.
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Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:40 AM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Increaqsing Miata 1.6 MPG (lpc)


It is a tall engine. I believe one of the Jeep Liberty bellhousings can
be used to convert it to RWD as it was the base engine for a while.
=20
The Neon gets good milage compared to the Miata primarily from ECU
tuning and somewhat from the fact it is FWD. You would have to adapt the
Neon ECU as running it on the Miata ECU would give you the same milage
issues. My opinion is not to spend the money and time to convert to a
Neon engine but get an ECU and tune the existing Miata engine. If you
insist on a swap the Protege had a SOHC 1.8 that drops in and
accomplishes the same thing. You would still need an ECU.
=20
=20

Hey I wonder if the neon motor would fit as a swap? That would
be 45MPG easy, and more power and lots more torque. And you can beat
the snot out of it just as much.=20

=20

Seriously, wonder if the dimensions work out.

=20



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Mail From: "Robert McElwee" <(email redacted)>

Red Beast (mods below) gets 18 MPG and Blue Flash (9 PSI JRSC'd 1.6L with
Link ECU) gets 23 MPG. Both cars are poorly tuned and driven like they are
stolen...

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Chris <(email redacted)> wrote:

> So now I wonder what modded miata's are getting for MPG's, I should poll
> over at Miata.net
>

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1991 T25 Turbo @ 15 PSI
Link ECU, FM IC, 9:1 pistons
Over 400 lbs of "added lightness"
www.lightweightmiata.com

Lightweight Miata Forum:
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Mail From: Bill Bowser <(email redacted)>

The gas mileage you get in a 1.6L Miata has a lot to do with how you
drive it. Several years ago our Miata club had an economy run which I
happened to win. At the time I still had the 1.6L engine in my '93 LE
and it had a Sebring SC. I achieved over 46 MPG (but it wasn't much fun.)

Bill Bowser
Cincinnati,
'93 LE 1.8 FMII
05 Lotus Elsie
08 HHR SS