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Things on the list have been a little boring lately so I thought I'd set
out a bit of kindling and a couple of matches and see what happens.....:)
In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A Miatas ( though
these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go back I must
say I feel just the opposite. Having both owned and driven a number of
different FI Miatas I really have no desire to build another one. For me, the
linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200 crank
HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
This is not to say the FI Miatas aren't a boat load of fun, and faster
too boot. Rather for my driving style, and for Autocross, I have yet to drive
a FI Miata that is faster than said N/A Miata. There is NO FI Miata that has
the immediate throttle response and linear power delivery of a high
compression motor with IRTBs. What is more, IMHO, I have yet to drive a FI
Miata that allows me to modulate the throttle, and hence power delivery, as
well as my current car, and I've owned and driven over a dozen different FI
Miatas in the last few years.
For street racing, and drag racing the FI cars, well tuned, will win
every time. But for balance, poise, and sheer drivability I will stick with
the N/As. And then there is the issue of sound...........you CAN NOT beat the
sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle plates are
slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of overlap......this is
what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
No question, bang for the buck, FI is the way to go. And for most people
absolute power is what they are looking for.....and the ability to out pull
almost any production car extant. But for this old fart, the sweet song and
even sweeter drivability of my current N/A motor have me vowing to never
stray from the righteous path of N/A power again......even if I go broke
doing so.

Gibb
92 1.8 TEC-II IRTB....still looking for another 30 hp......:)

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Okay - I'll bite .....

First - this is coming from the man who has been known to utter "I might be
looking to add a low boost Aerodyne" to said set up.

Second - IRTB's are not mutually exclusive with F/I are they. Maybe the
impact and sound isn't the same ...

Third - your set up, though N/A is not OEM stock - which is perhaps the
category we should be comparing here, since I believe that was the
implication made from Helio et all ...

Perhaps a better battle cry would be - "NEVER BACK TO STOCK"

Now, that being said ...

Gibb - your car sounds like a dream. I drove in John Youen's normally aspirated
car - which was worked up to about 130 rwhp IRRC ( head work and shave, ... ).
I can only imagine yours. And my 1.8 build up is slanted in this direction ( 1
mm over 9.5 CR pistons, with a 1.6 FM II turbo with the larger housing ) - ie
low end and torque.

And on the N/A front - I've had a few virtual conversations with Eric V on the
feasibility of putting a Lexus Al V8 into a Miata.

Dan

PS Once you have this dialed in - you should sell a build sheet !!!!






(email redacted) on 05/21/2000 08:54:36 PM

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cc: (bcc: Dan W Thorpe/WLGORE)
Subject: In defense of N/A power






Things on the list have been a little boring lately so I thought I'd set
out a bit of kindling and a couple of matches and see what happens.....:)
In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A Miatas ( though
these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go back I must
say I feel just the opposite. Having both owned and driven a number of
different FI Miatas I really have no desire to build another one. For me, the
linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200 crank
HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
This is not to say the FI Miatas aren't a boat load of fun, and faster
too boot. Rather for my driving style, and for Autocross, I have yet to drive
a FI Miata that is faster than said N/A Miata. There is NO FI Miata that has
the immediate throttle response and linear power delivery of a high
compression motor with IRTBs. What is more, IMHO, I have yet to drive a FI
Miata that allows me to modulate the throttle, and hence power delivery, as
well as my current car, and I've owned and driven over a dozen different FI
Miatas in the last few years.
For street racing, and drag racing the FI cars, well tuned, will win
every time. But for balance, poise, and sheer drivability I will stick with
the N/As. And then there is the issue of sound...........you CAN NOT beat the
sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle plates are
slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of overlap......this is
what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
No question, bang for the buck, FI is the way to go. And for most people
absolute power is what they are looking for.....and the ability to out pull
almost any production car extant. But for this old fart, the sweet song and
even sweeter drivability of my current N/A motor have me vowing to never
stray from the righteous path of N/A power again......even if I go broke
doing so.

Gibb
92 1.8 TEC-II IRTB....still looking for another 30 hp......:)

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AMEN to brother Gibb!!!!!!!!!!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: In defense of N/A power


>
>
> Things on the list have been a little boring lately so I thought I'd
set
> out a bit of kindling and a couple of matches and see what happens.....:)
> In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A Miatas
though
> these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go back I
must
> say I feel just the opposite. Having both owned and driven a number of
> different FI Miatas I really have no desire to build another one. For me,
the
> linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200
crank
> HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
> This is not to say the FI Miatas aren't a boat load of fun, and faster
> too boot. Rather for my driving style, and for Autocross, I have yet to
drive
> a FI Miata that is faster than said N/A Miata. There is NO FI Miata that
has
> the immediate throttle response and linear power delivery of a high
> compression motor with IRTBs. What is more, IMHO, I have yet to drive a FI
> Miata that allows me to modulate the throttle, and hence power delivery,
as
> well as my current car, and I've owned and driven over a dozen different
FI
> Miatas in the last few years.
> For street racing, and drag racing the FI cars, well tuned, will win
> every time. But for balance, poise, and sheer drivability I will stick
with
> the N/As. And then there is the issue of sound...........you CAN NOT beat
the
> sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle plates are
> slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of overlap......this
is
> what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
> No question, bang for the buck, FI is the way to go. And for most
people
> absolute power is what they are looking for.....and the ability to out
pull
> almost any production car extant. But for this old fart, the sweet song
and
> even sweeter drivability of my current N/A motor have me vowing to never
> stray from the righteous path of N/A power again......even if I go broke
> doing so.
>
> Gibb
> 92 1.8 TEC-II IRTB....still looking for another 30 hp......:)
>

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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>


Gibb, Gibb, Gibb. One venue you didn't mention, and my hands-down favorite,
is the track. This is where Wheezy truly shines, and I'm sorry to tell you
this (not really), but you wouldn't have a chance. Think autocross at a
steady 80 mph, with 115 mph straightaways.

>>+^ ]

When will I see you at one of these events?

As far as linearity goes - how about if we swap rides during the fun runs at
the next Miata autocross? I'd love to try your car and I would really like
to get your opinion of Wheezy's capabilities, and maybe (just *maybe*)
you'll change your vow.

Mel
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96/97 FMII/III vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: In defense of N/A power


>
>
> Things on the list have been a little boring lately so I thought I'd
set
> out a bit of kindling and a couple of matches and see what happens.....:)
> In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A Miatas
though
> these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go back I
must
> say I feel just the opposite. Having both owned and driven a number of
> different FI Miatas I really have no desire to build another one. For me,
the
> linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200
crank
> HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
> This is not to say the FI Miatas aren't a boat load of fun, and faster
> too boot. Rather for my driving style, and for Autocross, I have yet to
drive
> a FI Miata that is faster than said N/A Miata. There is NO FI Miata that
has
> the immediate throttle response and linear power delivery of a high
> compression motor with IRTBs. What is more, IMHO, I have yet to drive a FI
> Miata that allows me to modulate the throttle, and hence power delivery,
as
> well as my current car, and I've owned and driven over a dozen different
FI
> Miatas in the last few years.
> For street racing, and drag racing the FI cars, well tuned, will win
> every time. But for balance, poise, and sheer drivability I will stick
with
> the N/As. And then there is the issue of sound...........you CAN NOT beat
the
> sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle plates are
> slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of overlap......this
is
> what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
> No question, bang for the buck, FI is the way to go. And for most
people
> absolute power is what they are looking for.....and the ability to out
pull
> almost any production car extant. But for this old fart, the sweet song
and
> even sweeter drivability of my current N/A motor have me vowing to never
> stray from the righteous path of N/A power again......even if I go broke
> doing so.
>
> Gibb
> 92 1.8 TEC-II IRTB....still looking for another 30 hp......:)
>

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Mail From: Keith Tanner <(email redacted)>


Face it guys, we're not going to "convert" each other. Let's just accept
that different people prefer different things, and leave it at that. Both
NA and FI cars have advantages and disadvantages, as much as each camp
likes to deny it :) They're both fun...

Oh, and I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this one...

>linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200 crank
>HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.

"Moderately powered"?

Keith
------------
Keith's page de home:
miata.net/keith
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Mail From: "Ken Hill" <(email redacted)>


Gibb,

I agree totally. When I came to Colorado to interview with Bill he lent me
the Rat to drive for the weekend. It has a 1.6L motor with 11:1 Weisco
pistons, cams, adjustable cam gears, and plenty of other goodies. My wife
and I took the car for a drive on a famous twisty road outside of Grand
junction and the ride was thrilling to say the least. The throttle response
was crisp and the sound, as the engine climbed to 7500 RPM, bouncing off the
canyon walls was music to my naive ears. You see I had never driven a
highly tuned N/A motor before. I was truly impressed.

However, since moving here I have driven the same road a few times again
with my turbo Miata, FMII @10psi. The sound is not as pure and the power
delivery may not be the same, but I do LOVE having a fast car! Maybe the
answer is to have two Miatas. :^)

Ken Hill
"It is amazing how much money a Miata will hold." - L.Hill


> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of (email redacted)
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 6:55 PM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: In defense of N/A power
>
>
>
>
> Things on the list have been a little boring lately so I
> thought I'd set
> out a bit of kindling and a couple of matches and see what happens.....:)
> In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A
> Miatas ( though
> these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go
> back I must
> say I feel just the opposite. Having both owned and driven a number of
> different FI Miatas I really have no desire to build another one.
> For me, the
> linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered
> (180-200 crank
> HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
> This is not to say the FI Miatas aren't a boat load of fun,
> and faster
> too boot. Rather for my driving style, and for Autocross, I have
> yet to drive
> a FI Miata that is faster than said N/A Miata. There is NO FI
> Miata that has
> the immediate throttle response and linear power delivery of a high
> compression motor with IRTBs. What is more, IMHO, I have yet to
> drive a FI
> Miata that allows me to modulate the throttle, and hence power
> delivery, as
> well as my current car, and I've owned and driven over a dozen
> different FI
> Miatas in the last few years.
> For street racing, and drag racing the FI cars, well tuned, will win
> every time. But for balance, poise, and sheer drivability I will
> stick with
> the N/As. And then there is the issue of sound...........you CAN
> NOT beat the
> sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle plates are
> slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of
> overlap......this is
> what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
> No question, bang for the buck, FI is the way to go. And for
> most people
> absolute power is what they are looking for.....and the ability
> to out pull
> almost any production car extant. But for this old fart, the
> sweet song and
> even sweeter drivability of my current N/A motor have me vowing to never
> stray from the righteous path of N/A power again......even if I go broke
> doing so.
>
> Gibb
> 92 1.8 TEC-II IRTB....still looking for another 30 hp......:)
>

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I don't think the point is to convert any one - but spirited discussion ....

I think we all pretty much respect free choice ... just sometimes our views
become more fact and less opinion : ) WE all hate to see uniformed decisions
being made ..

So in the spirit of kicking up some real heat - how about the Lazio vs Clinton
race in NY : )





Keith Tanner <(email redacted)> on 05/21/2000 10:26:12 PM

Please respond to Keith Tanner <(email redacted)>

To: (email redacted)
cc: (bcc: Dan W Thorpe/WLGORE)
Subject: Re: In defense of N/A power





Face it guys, we're not going to "convert" each other. Let's just accept
that different people prefer different things, and leave it at that. Both
NA and FI cars have advantages and disadvantages, as much as each camp
likes to deny it :) They're both fun...

Oh, and I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this one...

>linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200 crank
>HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.

"Moderately powered"?

Keith
------------
Keith's page de home:
miata.net/keith
------------

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In a message dated 5/21/00 9:25:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<<
First - this is coming from the man who has been known to utter "I might
be
looking to add a low boost Aerodyne" to said set up.


Well......I did actually say that....:)......


Second - IRTB's are not mutually exclusive with F/I are they. Maybe the
impact and sound isn't the same ...


True. They are just a bit harder to implement....

Third - your set up, though N/A is not OEM stock - which is perhaps the
category we should be comparing here, since I believe that was the
implication made from Helio et all ...

Perhaps a better battle cry would be - "NEVER BACK TO STOCK"



Now THAT I would agree with!

Gibb

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In a message dated 5/21/00 10:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<<
Gibb, Gibb, Gibb. One venue you didn't mention, and my hands-down favorite,
is the track. This is where Wheezy truly shines, and I'm sorry to tell you
this (not really), but you wouldn't have a chance. Think autocross at a
steady 80 mph, with 115 mph straightaways.

>>+^ ]

When will I see you at one of these events?
>>

Hmmmm......against me, no contest, on the track you'd win: but looking at
your times at Limerock and knowing what Lester runs with his N/A 1.6 I'd say
you'd get spanked. :)

As to track events this year, not very likely. With triplets due any day now
I'll be lucky to run a few more Autocross events this season.

Gibb

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m N/A miata is a BLAST to drive.......it's bone stock.....i've riddin in a
couple fast Turbo miatas and granted they are fast there is just no better
time than tearing into it in a stock or mildly tuned N/A miata......can't be
beat

Jared

ps....but i still have my turbo comming :o)

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Mail From: Whitney <(email redacted)>


Gotta agree with Gibb, the temptation to take my 'race' motor and put it in
the street car is great. Hard to fault it, even without IRTB's. Now
imagine starting with the VVT '01 setup, s2K power, in a 500 lb lighter
package.

At least for autocrossing, it s all about controllable response, both on
acceleration and deceleration, as any fast rx7tt driver will tell you, when
he is almost outrun by a BS miata.

Good luck all,
Stan

At 08:54 PM 5/21/00 EDT, (email redacted) wrote:
>
>
> Things on the list have been a little boring lately so I thought I'd set
>out a bit of kindling and a couple of matches and see what happens.....:)
> In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A Miatas (
though
>these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go back I
must
>say I feel just the opposite. Having both owned and driven a number of
>different FI Miatas I really have no desire to build another one. For me,
the
>linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200 crank
>HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
> This is not to say the FI Miatas aren't a boat load of fun, and faster
>too boot. Rather for my driving style, and for Autocross, I have yet to
drive
>a FI Miata that is faster than said N/A Miata. There is NO FI Miata that has
>the immediate throttle response and linear power delivery of a high
>compression motor with IRTBs. What is more, IMHO, I have yet to drive a FI
>Miata that allows me to modulate the throttle, and hence power delivery, as
>well as my current car, and I've owned and driven over a dozen different FI
>Miatas in the last few years.
> For street racing, and drag racing the FI cars, well tuned, will win
>every time. But for balance, poise, and sheer drivability I will stick with
>the N/As. And then there is the issue of sound...........you CAN NOT beat
the
>sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle plates are
>slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of overlap......this
is
>what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
> No question, bang for the buck, FI is the way to go. And for most people
>absolute power is what they are looking for.....and the ability to out pull
>almost any production car extant. But for this old fart, the sweet song and
>even sweeter drivability of my current N/A motor have me vowing to never
>stray from the righteous path of N/A power again......even if I go broke
>doing so.
>
>Gibb
>92 1.8 TEC-II IRTB....still looking for another 30 hp......:)
>

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I'm not ready to go up against Les yet. There's a time trial coming up on
June 8th at Lime Rock. Should be interesting and informative - we're both in
it.

Mel

PS - Good luck, Gibb. How I get to see you at an autocross.

One more thing - looks like you did manage to wake up the list.

<+^ ]
------------------------------------------------------------
Mel Hoagland ((email redacted))
"Wheezy" black 96/97 FMII/III vrrooommmm

----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: In defense of N/A power


> In a message dated 5/21/00 10:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> <<
> Gibb, Gibb, Gibb. One venue you didn't mention, and my hands-down
favorite,
> is the track. This is where Wheezy truly shines, and I'm sorry to tell
you
> this (not really), but you wouldn't have a chance. Think autocross at a
> steady 80 mph, with 115 mph straightaways.
>
> >>+^ ]
>
> When will I see you at one of these events?
> >>
>
> Hmmmm......against me, no contest, on the track you'd win: but looking at
> your times at Limerock and knowing what Lester runs with his N/A 1.6 I'd
say
> you'd get spanked. :)
>
> As to track events this year, not very likely. With triplets due any day
now
> I'll be lucky to run a few more Autocross events this season.
>
> Gibb
>

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Gibb, how does your IRTB setup sound when you open the throttle plates in
low RPMs with the cams? Are you talking about the characteristic, "Lar Lar
LAR LAR!" roar from the intake? If so, it's just as pronounced with the
stock plenum. I get this sound until a little above 3000 RPMs where the
overlap starts to become productive.

Adding more fuel to the fire, my motor is finally tuned well with the new
chip. I had posted earlier about how my cruise control acted up with the
high HP NA motor, but I have had a chance to fiddle with the new chip and
have gotten the throttle modulation sorted out perfectly. Now the RPMs
only fluctuate a max of 50 RPMs with the cruise on, no matter how hilly the
terrain :)

Plus, I have never seen highway miles per gallon this high, even with my
previous 1.6L. Coming back to Dallas from Austin this weekend, I drove top
down at an average of 80 mph and got about 36 miles per gallon.

If anyone in DFW wants to drive a fully streetable yet powerful NA miata,
send me an email and I'd be glad to hand over the keys for a test drive.
You really can't understand instant power delivery until you drive such a
car. The only catch is I'd ask for you to return the favor and let me
drive your fast FI Miata :) Fair enough?

Kurt

At 10:26 PM 5/21/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Face it guys, we're not going to "convert" each other. Let's just accept
>that different people prefer different things, and leave it at that. Both
>NA and FI cars have advantages and disadvantages, as much as each camp
>likes to deny it :) They're both fun...
>
>Oh, and I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this one...
>
>>linearity, sound, and responsiveness of a moderately powered (180-200 crank
>>HP) N/A Miata cannot be beat, or certainly be replicated by any FI Miata.
>
>"Moderately powered"?
>
>Keith
>------------
>Keith's page de home:
> miata.net/keith
>------------
>
>

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On 21 May 00, at 21:59, Mel Hoagland wrote:

>
> Gibb, Gibb, Gibb. One venue you didn't mention, and my hands-down
> favorite, is the track. This is where Wheezy truly shines, and I'm
> sorry to tell you this (not really), but you wouldn't have a chance.
> Think autocross at a steady 80 mph, with 115 mph straightaways.
......
At a recent driver's training at the Salzburgring, a turbocharged 1.8
started right behind me (modified NA 1.6) for both sessions of "free
driving" (one hour each). This track has looong straights, which
allowed top speeds of about 115 mph in my NA Miata and has a 110
mph turn (Fahrerlagerkurve). #8-O

See the layout at
pro-sieben-
club.de/sport/1999/0423/salzburgring/salzburgring.jpg

I lost that turbocharged 1.8 out of my rearview mirror through the
first few turns, and never saw him again. Same thing for both
sessions.
Of course, the Turbo was not tuned properly, and the driver was not
trying very hard ...... ;-)))))
Inbetween the two track sessions, we did a short timed handling
course (autocross-like). Brua (my red 91A) took FTD with me
driving and the second fastest time with the instructor (Peter
Oberndorfer, former DTM driver) driving. He tried out several cars
(a modified NA 1.8, the turbocharged 1.8, my 1.6) on that course
and did his fastest time in Brua. He commented that Brua was the
best total packagge ("easy to drive very fast") of the cars he tried.


Werner
P.S. I have no doubts that I could get a serious spanking from a well
driven well tuned turbocharged Miata on that track, but it has not
happened.

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On 21 May 00, at 20:54, (email redacted) wrote:

>........you CAN NOT
> beat the sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle
> plates are slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of
> overlap......this is what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The miata is still missing 8 cylinders to sound like that ! There is
nothing, and I mean NOTHING, that can beat a V12 at full cry !
Talk to me like that and I'll agree with you about NA power... ;-)

I'm bored with this small engines...







~Helio & POPeye, the Bellmonster
"...at 200mph you have no friends..."
terravista.pt/ancora/3737/index_english.htm

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In a message dated 5/22/00 7:50:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<<
The miata is still missing 8 cylinders to sound like that ! There is
nothing, and I mean NOTHING, that can beat a V12 at full cry !
Talk to me like that and I'll agree with you about NA power... ;-)

I'm bored with this small engines...
>>

Unfortunately I don't think I could wedge one into a Miata........and it
would be nice to have the rest of the Ferrari that goes with it!!

Gibb

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Mail From: "Helio de Oliveira" <(email redacted)>


On 21 May 00, at 20:54, (email redacted) wrote:

> In response to Helio's post about driving a couple of N/A Miatas (
> though
> these were clearly at stock power levels ) and vowing to never go back I
> must say I feel just the opposite.

You would if you could try the 'beasts' ! ;-)

Seriously, they were untouched, regarding performance mods, and
quite sincerely, I can't see in what the throttle response was so
much better than my car. As far as I can say, these cars were not
making power by 7500rpm....that's lag ! I mean you depress the
throttle on mine and you get a surge of power...on these two cars,
you depress the throttle and you wait, and wait, and wait...'till you
change up, and the story repeats itself...you wait, and wait (boring,
ehh?).


~Helio & POPeye, the Bellmonster
"...at 200mph you have no friends..."
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Helio de Oliveira wrote:
>
> On 21 May 00, at 20:54, (email redacted) wrote:
>
> >........you CAN NOT
> > beat the sound of the induction noise made by IRTBs when the throttle
> > plates are slammed open, especially with cams with large amounts of
> > overlap......this is what God intended cars to sound like!!!! :)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> The miata is still missing 8 cylinders to sound like that ! There is
> nothing, and I mean NOTHING, that can beat a V12 at full cry !
> Talk to me like that and I'll agree with you about NA power... ;-)
>
> I'm bored with this small engines...


How about a trip to England and sneak out one of those 200 lbs.,
19,000 rpm, 850 hp V10s off a McLaren MP4-15


--
Ony Anglade
Ft. Worth, TX
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Ony,

> How about a trip to England and sneak out one of those 200 lbs.,
> 19,000 rpm, 850 hp V10s off a McLaren MP4-15

Watching the Euro GP this weekend, I was amazed at the sound of the
engines (it's been a while since I've followed F1). Anymore, they sound
like model airplanes on steroids <g>.

-- Jeff Thomson
'95 Merlot M Edition (his)
'97 White Leather Package (hers)
Houston, TX