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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or less room tha=
n a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided of the har=
dtop.

Thanks..

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Mail From: "Jerry Malsam" <(email redacted)>

The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one reason a cus=
tom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog rollbar that=
's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or less room t=
han a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided of the h=
ardtop.

Thanks..

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

I am building a custom cage (8 pt or more) and need the bars as high as pos=
sable. My main concern is the upper side bar next to my head. I like the =
way a hard top looks and plan on getting one for my drag car.

Thanks

Danny

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one reason a c=
ustom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog rollbar th=
at's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or less room=
than a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided of the=
hardtop.

Thanks..

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: "Jerry Malsam" <(email redacted)>

You'll definitely need to pad all the tubes near your head with SFI padding=
(not cheap!). For Miata cage inspiration, you might cruise through the pad=
dock at the next Spec Miata race -- ideally, with a digital camera. The lat=
est evolutions of cage designs even mount the front cross-bar so that the d=
ash is not captive, although I don't really know how that all comes togethe=
r.=20

FWIW, I've compiled some pics here (you might have to cut/paste the whole U=
RL):

.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Racing%=
2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: Jerry Malsam ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


I am building a custom cage (8 pt or more) and need the bars as high as p=
ossable. My main concern is the upper side bar next to my head. I like th=
e way a hard top looks and plan on getting one for my drag car.

Thanks

Danny

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one reason a=
custom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog rollbar =
that's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or less ro=
om than a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided of t=
he hardtop.

Thanks..

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Mail From: "Tom Graham" <(email redacted)>

If the top doesn't need to be water tight you could cut the top where the
bars interfere. This is bound to give more room as the entire tube won't
need to be inside the top.

Tom

----- Original Message -----

I am building a custom cage (8 pt or more) and need the bars as high as
possable. My main concern is the upper side bar next to my head. I like
the way a hard top looks and plan on getting one for my drag car.

Thanks

Danny

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Malsam
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one reason a
custom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog rollbar
that's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Godelfer
To: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or less room
than a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided of the
hardtop.

Thanks..

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Mail From: "CB" <(email redacted)>

.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Racing%=
2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&image=3Dseat%20brace.jpg&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

Wow I don't think I would want that set brace in the center of my back if h=
it hard from behind, looks like it would knock the sh** out of you if hit f=
rom behind, or a little harder and snap a few vertebrae.

Regards
CB&Stoker

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


You'll definitely need to pad all the tubes near your head with SFI paddi=
ng (not cheap!). For Miata cage inspiration, you might cruise through the p=
addock at the next Spec Miata race -- ideally, with a digital camera. The l=
atest evolutions of cage designs even mount the front cross-bar so that the=
dash is not captive, although I don't really know how that all comes toget=
her.=20

FWIW, I've compiled some pics here (you might have to cut/paste the whole=
URL):

.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Racin=
g%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: Jerry Malsam ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


I am building a custom cage (8 pt or more) and need the bars as high as=
possable. My main concern is the upper side bar next to my head. I like =
the way a hard top looks and plan on getting one for my drag car.

Thanks

Danny

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one reason=
a custom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog rollba=
r that's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or less =
room than a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided of=
the hardtop.

Thanks..

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Mail From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

Actually that's required SCCA seat bracing.

Look here

pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/026.pdf

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: CB=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Racin=
g%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&image=3Dseat%20brace.jpg&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

Wow I don't think I would want that set brace in the center of my back if=
hit hard from behind, looks like it would knock the sh** out of you if hit=
from behind, or a little harder and snap a few vertebrae.

Regards
CB&Stoker

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


You'll definitely need to pad all the tubes near your head with SFI pad=
ding (not cheap!). For Miata cage inspiration, you might cruise through the=
paddock at the next Spec Miata race -- ideally, with a digital camera. The=
latest evolutions of cage designs even mount the front cross-bar so that t=
he dash is not captive, although I don't really know how that all comes tog=
ether.=20

FWIW, I've compiled some pics here (you might have to cut/paste the who=
le URL):

.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Rac=
ing%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: Jerry Malsam ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


I am building a custom cage (8 pt or more) and need the bars as high =
as possable. My main concern is the upper side bar next to my head. I lik=
e the way a hard top looks and plan on getting one for my drag car.

Thanks

Danny

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one reas=
on a custom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog roll=
bar that's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or les=
s room than a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the insided =
of the hardtop.

Thanks..

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: "Jerry Malsam" <(email redacted)>

Where else would you put it? FWIW, I'd think the seat would distribute the =
load pretty well.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi
----- Original Message -----=20
From: CB=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Racin=
g%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&image=3Dseat%20brace.jpg&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

Wow I don't think I would want that set brace in the center of my back if=
hit hard from behind, looks like it would knock the sh** out of you if hit=
from behind, or a little harder and snap a few vertebrae.

Regards
CB&Stoker

<snip>

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: "CB" <(email redacted)>

Well I am sure it is, but if truly hit hard, it looks like a mistake. I wou=
ld not want to back into a wall at 100 and have the center of my back suppo=
rted and the seat folding around the pedestal. Really tight picture, and ca=
n't see the dimensions, so It may at first it may appear worse than it is.

Regards
CB&Stoker

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: CB ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


Where else would you put it? FWIW, I'd think the seat would distribute th=
e load pretty well.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi
----- Original Message -----=20
From: CB=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Rac=
ing%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&image=3Dseat%20brace.jpg&fullscreen=3Dtr=
ue&

Wow I don't think I would want that set brace in the center of my back =
if hit hard from behind, looks like it would knock the sh** out of you if h=
it from behind, or a little harder and snap a few vertebrae.

Regards
CB&Stoker

<snip>

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: "CB" <(email redacted)>

I think I would want it lower, but you can snap your neck just as easy, if =
the seat folds over, just doesn't look good to me, on first look.

Regards
CB&Stoker


----- Original Message -----=20
From: Larry Alster=20
To: CB ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


Actually that's required SCCA seat bracing.

Look here

pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/026.pdf

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----=20
From: CB=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20Rac=
ing%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&image=3Dseat%20brace.jpg&fullscreen=3Dtr=
ue&

Wow I don't think I would want that set brace in the center of my back =
if hit hard from behind, looks like it would knock the sh** out of you if h=
it from behind, or a little harder and snap a few vertebrae.

Regards
CB&Stoker

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


You'll definitely need to pad all the tubes near your head with SFI p=
adding (not cheap!). For Miata cage inspiration, you might cruise through t=
he paddock at the next Spec Miata race -- ideally, with a digital camera. T=
he latest evolutions of cage designs even mount the front cross-bar so that=
the dash is not captive, although I don't really know how that all comes t=
ogether.=20

FWIW, I've compiled some pics here (you might have to cut/paste the w=
hole URL):

.malsam.com/yappa/index.php?album=3D%2F2.%20Cars%20and%20R=
acing%2FRacing%2FSM%20buildup%2Fcage&fullscreen=3Dtrue&

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: Jerry Malsam ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


I am building a custom cage (8 pt or more) and need the bars as hig=
h as possable. My main concern is the upper side bar next to my head. I l=
ike the way a hard top looks and plan on getting one for my drag car.

Thanks

Danny

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jerry Malsam=20
To: Daniel Godelfer ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hardtop Question. (NPC)


The hardtop gives you more room than the softtop -- that's one re=
ason a custom cage is a bit nicer than one derived from, say, a Hard Dog ro=
llbar that's been designed to fit within a softtop.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi
'92 Track Rat @ 0psi



----- Original Message -----=20
From: Daniel Godelfer=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:34 AM
Subject: Hardtop Question.


In respects to a cage will a hardtop give you any more or l=
ess room than a soft top. I am Dont mind removing any lining on the inside=
d of the hardtop.

Thanks..