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Mail From: "Frank Catena" <(email redacted)>

Mark,

Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...

rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm

Frank Catena

>
>
> These motors are Duratec HE motors aka Mazda 6 Motors.
>
> 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 Varieties exist. :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mark Peugeot wrote:
>
> >
> > I have some pictures that should be posted in the next few minutes, both
> > are Ford pre-production motors... Don't ask how I stumbled upon them in
> > the middle of the desert... Even torture won't work.
> >
> > www.networkone.net/~mark/mystery_motors
> >
> > Should be up within a few minutes of getting this email
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > PS - If you have any information about these motors, let me know. (Tom)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Mail From: "Frank Catena" <(email redacted)>

Sorry, Mark's pics are a I-4, my link is a Mazda V-6. Kinda odd as the
displacements have a fair amount of overlap and all Ford Duratecs to date
have been V-6 designs (2.5 and 3.0L). SAE article is interesting, almost
thought they were about to talk about Feng Shui design principles ....
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Catena" <(email redacted)>
To: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Ford Mystery Motors. DEFINATE FUTURE Miata Use. (SOLVED)


> Mark,
>
> Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
>
> rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
>
> Frank Catena
>
> >
> >
> > These motors are Duratec HE motors aka Mazda 6 Motors.
> >
> > 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 Varieties exist. :)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mark Peugeot wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have some pictures that should be posted in the next few minutes,
both
> > > are Ford pre-production motors... Don't ask how I stumbled upon them
in
> > > the middle of the desert... Even torture won't work.
> > >
> > > www.networkone.net/~mark/mystery_motors
> > >
> > > Should be up within a few minutes of getting this email
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > PS - If you have any information about these motors, let me know.
(Tom)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>


Similar in nature with the same goals, but different actual motors and
interesting section on cam vs crank triggers, but they forgot to emphasize
that the biggest difference was a distributor vs DF coils.

Mark


On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Frank Catena wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
>
> rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
>
> Frank Catena
>
> >
> >
> > These motors are Duratec HE motors aka Mazda 6 Motors.
> >
> > 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 Varieties exist. :)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mark Peugeot wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have some pictures that should be posted in the next few minutes, both
> > > are Ford pre-production motors... Don't ask how I stumbled upon them in
> > > the middle of the desert... Even torture won't work.
> > >
> > > www.networkone.net/~mark/mystery_motors
> > >
> > > Should be up within a few minutes of getting this email
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > PS - If you have any information about these motors, let me know. (Tom)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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Mail From: Ian McCloghrie <(email redacted)>

On Mar 9, 2002 "Frank Catena" wrote:
> Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
>
> rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm

No, that's the K-series motor that was in the MX-6, Probe GT, MX-3.
It's the one that has to sit at an angle, so is only useful for
transverse FWD mounting.

--Ian

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Mail From: Jim Wilson <(email redacted)>

Here is what I got from a couple of Ford insiders:
#1- "Not sure what that engine is.... looks like a 2.3L I-4 for a Ranger, but
I'm not positive. I'll have to go and pull up the casting numbers to verify.
I don't believe the future Miata will use it, but you never know".
- Ford ROMEO Michigan Powertrain Development

#2-"That is a 2001 2.3L 16V engine used in Ranger Pick ups. It's a new engine
that replaced the 2.5L as the standard engine. Used in late 2001 and 2002
models. It does have Mazda roots, but my sources can't verify future use".
- Ford Master Shop Technican VA
Still working on it.

Mark Peugeot wrote:

> Similar in nature with the same goals, but different actual motors and
> interesting section on cam vs crank triggers, but they forgot to emphasize
> that the biggest difference was a distributor vs DF coils.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Frank Catena wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
> >
> > rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
> >
> > Frank Catena
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > These motors are Duratec HE motors aka Mazda 6 Motors.
> > >
> > > 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 Varieties exist. :)
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mark Peugeot wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have some pictures that should be posted in the next few minutes, both
> > > > are Ford pre-production motors... Don't ask how I stumbled upon them in
> > > > the middle of the desert... Even torture won't work.
> > > >
> > > > www.networkone.net/~mark/mystery_motors
> > > >
> > > > Should be up within a few minutes of getting this email
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > PS - If you have any information about these motors, let me know. (Tom)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >

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Mail From: (email redacted)

Interestingly, none of the pictures show the engine at an angle, is it just a
pick up / oil pan design.


> On Mar 9, 2002 "Frank Catena" wrote:
> > Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
> >
> > rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
>
> No, that's the K-series motor that was in the MX-6, Probe GT, MX-3.
> It's the one that has to sit at an angle, so is only useful for
> transverse FWD mounting.
>
> --Ian
>
>

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Mail From: "Tom" <(email redacted)>

Figure 15
(rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677_files/f
ig15.gif#fig15) should be of interest to those concerned with the crank vs.
cam triggering debate.. notice the scale, 3.1 N*m = 2.3 lbs*ft.

-tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
To: "Frank Catena" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Ford Mystery Motors. DEFINATE FUTURE Miata Use. (SOLVED)


>
> Similar in nature with the same goals, but different actual motors and
> interesting section on cam vs crank triggers, but they forgot to emphasize
> that the biggest difference was a distributor vs DF coils.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Frank Catena wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
> >
> > rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
> >
> > Frank Catena



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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>


Number 1 is the new 2.0 for the Ford Mondero.
Number 2 is the new 2.3 2001.5 Ford Ranger Motor

These are slightly different from the Mazda 6 Motors since the Mazda will
have variable cam timing and the Ford will not.

The future Mazda motor will have a great deal in common with this motor.

Mark


On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Jim Wilson wrote:

> Here is what I got from a couple of Ford insiders:
> #1- "Not sure what that engine is.... looks like a 2.3L I-4 for a Ranger, but
> I'm not positive. I'll have to go and pull up the casting numbers to verify.
> I don't believe the future Miata will use it, but you never know".
> - Ford ROMEO Michigan Powertrain Development
>
> #2-"That is a 2001 2.3L 16V engine used in Ranger Pick ups. It's a new engine
> that replaced the 2.5L as the standard engine. Used in late 2001 and 2002
> models. It does have Mazda roots, but my sources can't verify future use".
> - Ford Master Shop Technican VA
> Still working on it.
>
> Mark Peugeot wrote:
>
> > Similar in nature with the same goals, but different actual motors and
> > interesting section on cam vs crank triggers, but they forgot to emphasize
> > that the biggest difference was a distributor vs DF coils.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Frank Catena wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
> > >
> > > rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
> > >
> > > Frank Catena
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These motors are Duratec HE motors aka Mazda 6 Motors.
> > > >
> > > > 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 Varieties exist. :)
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mark Peugeot wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have some pictures that should be posted in the next few minutes, both
> > > > > are Ford pre-production motors... Don't ask how I stumbled upon them in
> > > > > the middle of the desert... Even torture won't work.
> > > > >
> > > > > www.networkone.net/~mark/mystery_motors
> > > > >
> > > > > Should be up within a few minutes of getting this email
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > PS - If you have any information about these motors, let me know. (Tom)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>

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Mail From: Mark Peugeot <(email redacted)>


Wow, that's huge. ;)

Now seriously... That was only different above 5200 RPM as well. Which
would indicate at slower speeds spark scatter was negligable.

Mark



On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Tom wrote:

> Figure 15
> (rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677_files/f
> ig15.gif#fig15) should be of interest to those concerned with the crank vs.
> cam triggering debate.. notice the scale, 3.1 N*m = 2.3 lbs*ft.
>
> -tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Frank Catena" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Ford Mystery Motors. DEFINATE FUTURE Miata Use. (SOLVED)
>
>
> >
> > Similar in nature with the same goals, but different actual motors and
> > interesting section on cam vs crank triggers, but they forgot to emphasize
> > that the biggest difference was a distributor vs DF coils.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Frank Catena wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors ...
> > >
> > > rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
> > >
> > > Frank Catena
>
>
>
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Mail From: "Tom" <(email redacted)>

Notice also the peak reading is unaffected and the point of greatest gain is
well past the point of significant drop off in VE .

-tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
To: "Tom" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Ford Mystery Motors. DEFINATE FUTURE Miata Use. (SOLVED)


>
> Wow, that's huge. ;)
>
> Now seriously... That was only different above 5200 RPM as well. Which
> would indicate at slower speeds spark scatter was negligable.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Tom wrote:
>
> > Figure 15
> >
(rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677_files/f
> > ig15.gif#fig15) should be of interest to those concerned with the crank
vs.
> > cam triggering debate.. notice the scale, 3.1 N*m = 2.3 lbs*ft.
> >
> > -tom
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Peugeot" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Frank Catena" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 10:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: Ford Mystery Motors. DEFINATE FUTURE Miata Use. (SOLVED)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Similar in nature with the same goals, but different actual motors and
> > > interesting section on cam vs crank triggers, but they forgot to
emphasize
> > > that the biggest difference was a distributor vs DF coils.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Frank Catena wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > Don't know if you've seen this or not, I *think* its the same motors
...
> > > >
> > > >
rs-productions.com/RSP_Motors/tech/sae-920677/sae-920677.htm
> > > >
> > > > Frank Catena
> >
> >
> >
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