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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here it i=
s.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno with=
about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I thought it=
to originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should hav=
e ~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time idli=
ng also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression tes=
t. The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better when w=
arm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went up..=
. Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm this =
should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing well..=
.=20=20=20

Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the int=
ake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are leaki=
ng bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I still=
dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next day and =
wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based on com=
petition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on attend=
ance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque=20=20=20=20
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So the 2=
0psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped the=
car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but noti=
ng would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 150hp =
from 4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled like cr=
ap but when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start spi=
nning once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would drop=
about 25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over about =
300 rpm. Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say the=
chart could be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the way=
to redline. I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D=20=20=20=
=20

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some serio=
us power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re dyno it o=
n dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.=20=20

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny

I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane. 1st=
and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th spins=
a little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about 80%=
tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

Dan,
Great numbers, especially for a sick engine. One word of warning-your valve
leakage is bad enough that adding oil and seeing no gain doesn't tell you
that your rings are good, just that your valves are bad.


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here it
is.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno with
about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I thought it
to originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should have
~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time idling
also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression test.
The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better when
warm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went up...
Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm this
should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing well...


Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the
intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are
leaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I
still dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next day
and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based on
competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on
attendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So the
20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped the
car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but noting
would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 150hp from
4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled like crap but
when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start spinning
once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would drop about
25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over about 300 rpm.
Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say the chart
could be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the way to
redline. I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some
serious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re dyno
it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny


I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane. 1st
and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th spins a
little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about 80%
tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...

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Mail From: (email redacted)

FWIW I'd recheck the cam timing before tearing it apart again.

<< Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here it
is.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno with
about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I thought it to
originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should have
~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time idling
also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression test.
The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better when
warm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went up...
Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm this
should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing well...


Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the
intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are
leaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I
still dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next day
and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based on
competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on
attendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So the
20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped the
car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but noting
would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 150hp from
4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled like crap but
when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start spinning
once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would drop about
25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over about 300 rpm.
Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say the chart could
be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the way to redline.
I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some
serious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re dyno
it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny

I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane. 1st
and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th spins a
little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about 80%
tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...

>>


Les.
www.apexautoeng.com

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

I am sure that timing is fine. 100%
----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


> FWIW I'd recheck the cam timing before tearing it apart again.
>
> << Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here
it
> is.
>
> The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno
with
> about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I thought it
to
> originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should have
> ~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time
idling
> also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression test.
> The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were
>
> Compression Leakdown
>
> Cyl 1 150 65%
> Cyl 2 100 85%
> Cyl 3 115 84%
> Cyl 4 140 80%
>
> These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better when
> warm... But here are some things..
>
> When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went
up...
> Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm this
> should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing
well...
>
>
> Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the
> intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are
> leaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I
> still dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next
day
> and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based
on
> competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on
> attendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.
>
>
> 13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque
> 17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
> 20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque
>
> Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So the
> 20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped
the
> car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but
noting
> would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 150hp
from
> 4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled like crap
but
> when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start spinning
> once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would drop
about
> 25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over about 300
rpm.
> Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say the chart
could
> be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the way to redline.
> I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D
>
> Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some
> serious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re
dyno
> it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.
>
> BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(
>
>
> Danny
>
> I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane.
1st
> and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th spins
a
> little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about 80%
> tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...
>
> >>
>
>
> Les.
> www.apexautoeng.com

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

I kinda understand what you are saying... What if the valves were known t=
o be good and you added oil and there was no change.. Would that mean your=
rings are good??

BTW there was very little air coming out the crankcase and the motor was bo=
ne cold..
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: 'Daniel Godelfer' ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Dan,
Great numbers, especially for a sick engine. One word of warning-your val=
ve leakage is bad enough that adding oil and seeing no gain doesn't tell yo=
u that your rings are good, just that your valves are bad.

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here =
it is.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno =
with about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I though=
t it to originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should=
have ~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time =
idling also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression=
test. The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better wh=
en warm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went =
up... Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm t=
his should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing we=
ll...=20=20=20

Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the=
intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are l=
eaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I s=
till dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next day =
and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based on=
competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on at=
tendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque=20=20=20=20
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So t=
he 20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped=
the car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but =
noting would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 15=
0hp from 4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled lik=
e crap but when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start=
spinning once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would =
drop about 25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over ab=
out 300 rpm. Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say=
the chart could be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the=
way to redline. I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D=20=20=
=20=20

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some s=
erious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re dyno =
it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.=20=20

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny

I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane. =
1st and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th s=
pins a little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about=
80% tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...

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Mail From: (email redacted)

Too bad. :(

<< I am sure that timing is fine. 100% >>


Les.
www.apexautoeng.com

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

Sure, if the rings are sealing and you add oil and comp doesn't change, then
rings are good. Of course, if rings were good and valves were good you
probably wouldn't be checking...


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:09 PM
To: Bill Cardell; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


I kinda understand what you are saying... What if the valves were known to
be good and you added oil and there was no change.. Would that mean your
rings are good??

BTW there was very little air coming out the crankcase and the motor was
bone cold..

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:(email redacted)> Cardell
To: 'Daniel Godelfer' <mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted)
<mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...

Dan,
Great numbers, especially for a sick engine. One word of warning-your valve
leakage is bad enough that adding oil and seeing no gain doesn't tell you
that your rings are good, just that your valves are bad.


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here it
is.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno with
about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I thought it
to originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should have
~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time idling
also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression test.
The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better when
warm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went up...
Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm this
should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing well...


Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the
intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are
leaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I
still dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next day
and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based on
competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on
attendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So the
20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped the
car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but noting
would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 150hp from
4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled like crap but
when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start spinning
once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would drop about
25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over about 300 rpm.
Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say the chart
could be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the way to
redline. I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some
serious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re dyno
it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny


I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane. 1st
and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th spins a
little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about 80%
tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

You said that adding oil and no change says your rings may still be bad....
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Sure, if the rings are sealing and you add oil and comp doesn't change, t=
hen rings are good. Of course, if rings were good and valves were good you =
probably wouldn't be checking...

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:09 PM
To: Bill Cardell; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


I kinda understand what you are saying... What if the valves were kno=
wn to be good and you added oil and there was no change.. Would that mean =
your rings are good??

BTW there was very little air coming out the crankcase and the motor wa=
s bone cold..
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Cardell=20
To: 'Daniel Godelfer' ; (email redacted)=20
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Dan,
Great numbers, especially for a sick engine. One word of warning-your=
valve leakage is bad enough that adding oil and seeing no gain doesn't tel=
l you that your rings are good, just that your valves are bad.

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But h=
ere it is.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the d=
yno with about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I th=
ought it to originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 sh=
ould have ~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard t=
ime idling also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compres=
sion test. The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they =
were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been bette=
r when warm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely w=
ent up... Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is wa=
rm this should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealin=
g well...=20=20=20

Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of=
the intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves a=
re leaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. =
I still dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next =
day and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place base=
d on competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending o=
n attendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque=20=20=20=20
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. =
So the 20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of stra=
pped the car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around =
but noting would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained ove=
r 150hp from 4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled=
like crap but when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would s=
tart spinning once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart wo=
uld drop about 25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP ove=
r about 300 rpm. Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would=
say the chart could be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all=
the way to redline. I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D=20=
=20=20=20

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making so=
me serious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re d=
yno it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.=20=20

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny

I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insa=
ne. 1st and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4=
th spins a little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with a=
bout 80% tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadwar=
e...

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

Yes, that's what I said. Still do. You said you had leakage at the valves
and adding oil made no difference, concluding that the rings were good. You
can't make that conclusion, as the oil won't make a difference if the valves
are leaking.


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com/>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:32 AM
To: Bill Cardell; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


You said that adding oil and no change says your rings may still be bad....

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:(email redacted)> Cardell
To: (email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...

Sure, if the rings are sealing and you add oil and comp doesn't change, then
rings are good. Of course, if rings were good and valves were good you
probably wouldn't be checking...


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:09 PM
To: Bill Cardell; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


I kinda understand what you are saying... What if the valves were known to
be good and you added oil and there was no change.. Would that mean your
rings are good??

BTW there was very little air coming out the crankcase and the motor was
bone cold..

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:(email redacted)> Cardell
To: 'Daniel Godelfer' <mailto:(email redacted)> ; (email redacted)
<mailto:(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...

Dan,
Great numbers, especially for a sick engine. One word of warning-your valve
leakage is bad enough that adding oil and seeing no gain doesn't tell you
that your rings are good, just that your valves are bad.


Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted) <mailto:(email redacted)>
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com <flyinmiata.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Well to start off it is still running and did not break. But here it
is.

The motor started for the first time on Wednesday. I went to the dyno with
about 100 miles on it. The only issue I had was low vacuum. I thought it
to originally be a vacuum leak in the intake manifold. The FE3 should have
~19-20in of vacuum. The car had around 14. The car had a hard time idling
also. So before dynoing the motor we did a leakdown and compression test.
The results weren't bad.......they were horrible... Here they were

Compression Leakdown

Cyl 1 150 65%
Cyl 2 100 85%
Cyl 3 115 84%
Cyl 4 140 80%

These were done when the motor was cold so they would of been better when
warm... But here are some things..

When I added oil to the cylinders compression and leakdown barely went up...
Less than 10psi and less than 5% I believe when the motor is warm this
should be much better. This shows that the rings seem to be sealing well...


Also during the leakdown Air was coming out the tailpipe and out of the
intake manifold (removed PCV hose). This is showing that the valves are
leaking bad. So I am figuring that the car is going to dyno like crap. I
still dynoed it to make sure it was safe (a/f). I had a event the next day
and wanted to run it because I was prettymuch guaranteed 1st place based on
competition coming to the event. There was a $450+ purse (depending on
attendance)... Well we strapped it on the dyno and here is how it went.


13psi 275 uncorrected 250 Torque
17psi 335 uncorrected 300 Torque
20psi 380 uncorrected 340 Torque

Once we went to 20psi the car was spinning the tires on the dyno. So the
20psi run would of actually laid more power down if we could of strapped the
car down enough. We tried to adjust and change the straps around but noting
would help. The boost came on too hard and the car (gained over 150hp from
4600-5400) Since the compression was so low the turbo spooled like crap but
when it came on it came on fast and hard. The tires would start spinning
once the boost needle passed 15psi. On the dyno the chart would drop about
25-35hp when it started spinning. It would loose the HP over about 300 rpm.
Going by the curve it would of gained ~10 hp. So I would say the chart
could be as far down as 40hp. The tires smoked and spun all the way to
redline. I guess I will have to start dynoing on slicks :D

Either way the car is still not up to par.. And is still making some
serious power. I am going to get a valve job done on the head, and re dyno
it on dragradials or slicks in about 3-4 weeks.

BTW that Race I wanted to go to was canceled to weather. :(


Danny


I did get to drive the car at 20psi on the street. It is 100% insane. 1st
and 2nd gear are useless.. 3rd spins all the way to redline and 4th spins a
little bit... This is on 205 50 15 Pirelli P700Z tires with about 80%
tread on them. They are actually decent tires with a 150 treadware...

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Mail From: "Ralph" <(email redacted)>

Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of the inst=
allation some time.

Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would run pr=
etty good.
I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???



Ralph Doehrmann

=20=20

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

I know it is not cam timing. I pulled the cams and the valves still leaked=
. I have done compression tests hot and cold and the numbers dont change??=
? Not sure why. Could be because it is valves leaking.=20=20

This is the 3rd 4cyl piston miata to run 11's. AFIK. Ric Stephens in the m=
inimonster consistently runs low 11's and hit 10's once with his 1.8. Jen =
also made 11 sec passes with 11.7 at the best..


----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of the in=
stallation some time.

Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would run =
pretty good.
I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???



Ralph Doehrmann

=20=20=20=20

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Mail From: "Jeff Abrams" <(email redacted)>

racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.

---

Jeff Abrams
(email redacted)

SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
mazdamaniac.com
TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata

If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade
at them.




-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of the
installation some time.

Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would run
pretty good.
I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???



Ralph Doehrmann

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Mail From: (email redacted)

I would no longer consider this a miata for the pupose of racing as it does
not have an engine that was ever offered in a miata for sale. This is just my
two cents.
Emmett

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Mail From: (email redacted)

Think what you want but the rules state that you can have any
engine/drivetrain as long as it is Mazda. SCCA did the same thing with the
new SM class for autocrossing. If you want to win in an organized racing
event you must build a car to the limit of the rules.

Randy

> >>I would no longer consider this a miata for the pupose of racing as it
> does
> not have an engine that was ever offered in a miata for sale. This is just
> my
> two cents.

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Mail From: (email redacted)


Can anyone get the videos to work? I must not have the right codec....
Grrrr....

Wallyman




"Jeff Abrams"
<clavier@bellatl To: <(email redacted)>
antic.net> cc:
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...
07/18/2002 11:03
AM






racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.



---

Jeff Abrams
(email redacted)

SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
mazdamaniac.com
TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata

If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real
grenade at them.




-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...

Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of
the installation some time.

Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would
run pretty good.
I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???



Ralph Doehrmann

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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>

Not me

WMP opens and gives me an odd error.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: "Jeff Abrams" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


>
> Can anyone get the videos to work? I must not have the right codec....
> Grrrr....
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff Abrams"
> <clavier@bellatl To:
<(email redacted)>
> antic.net> cc:
> Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3
and there is good news and bad news...
> 07/18/2002 11:03
> AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
> Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Jeff Abrams
> (email redacted)
>
> SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
> mazdamaniac.com
> TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata
>
> If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
> throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
> how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real
> grenade at them.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...
>
> Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of
> the installation some time.
>
> Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would
> run pretty good.
> I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???
>
>
>
> Ralph Doehrmann
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Mail From: "Jerry Malsam" <(email redacted)>

I had to right-click, Save, then play it from my hard drive. It complained
something about the "transport mechanism".

But ya might indeed have to get caught up on your codecs.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi "Squeaky"

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: Jeff Abrams
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...



Can anyone get the videos to work? I must not have the right codec....
Grrrr....

Wallyman




"Jeff Abrams"
<clavier@bellatl To:
<(email redacted)>
antic.net> cc:
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3
and there is good news and bad news...
07/18/2002 11:03
AM






racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.



---

Jeff Abrams
(email redacted)

SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
mazdamaniac.com
TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata

If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real
grenade at them.




-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...

Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of
the installation some time.

Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would
run pretty good.
I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???



Ralph Doehrmann

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Mail From: Eddie Versace <(email redacted)>

I will try to re-code the videos to get them to stream properly. In the meantime, I agree with
Jerry's suggestion about downloading them. The fact that I played them natively prevented my
noticing the error in the first place.

-Eddie
/-------\|/-------\
Progress through innovation
eddieversace.com


----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: "Jeff Abrams" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...



Can anyone get the videos to work? I must not have the right codec....
Grrrr....

Wallyman




"Jeff Abrams"
<clavier@bellatl To: <(email redacted)>
antic.net> cc:
Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news
and bad news...
07/18/2002 11:03
AM






racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.



---

Jeff Abrams
(email redacted)

SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
mazdamaniac.com
TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata

If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real
grenade at them.




-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...

Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of
the installation some time.

Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would
run pretty good.
I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???



Ralph Doehrmann

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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>

Well I just D/L'd the files and can't play them. Unloaded WMP and
reinstalled the latest version. Still can't play them?? Get an invalid
media type error. Can see it's trying to find codecs from the server before
this happens.

I've got Win98, IE 6.0.2 and WMP 7.1. Any ideas??

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eddie Versace" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


> I will try to re-code the videos to get them to stream properly. In
the meantime, I agree with
> Jerry's suggestion about downloading them. The fact that I played them
natively prevented my
> noticing the error in the first place.
>
> -Eddie
> /-------\|/-------[/i]
> Progress through innovation
> eddieversace.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jeff Abrams" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:36 PM
> Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...
>
>
>
> Can anyone get the videos to work? I must not have the right codec....
> Grrrr....
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff Abrams"
> <clavier@bellatl To:
<(email redacted)>
> antic.net> cc:
> Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3
and there is good news
> and bad news...
> 07/18/2002 11:03
> AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
> Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Jeff Abrams
> (email redacted)
>
> SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
> mazdamaniac.com
> TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata
>
> If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
> throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
> how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real
> grenade at them.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...
>
> Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of
> the installation some time.
>
> Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would
> run pretty good.
> I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???
>
>
>
> Ralph Doehrmann
>
>

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Mail From: "Daniel Godelfer" <(email redacted)>

Randy is correct. This car would be legal for SM2 and other classes.=20=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: (email redacted)=20
To: (email redacted)=20
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Think what you want but the rules state that you can have any engine/driv=
etrain as long as it is Mazda. SCCA did the same thing with the new SM cla=
ss for autocrossing. If you want to win in an organized racing event you m=
ust build a car to the limit of the rules.

Randy


>>I would no longer consider this a miata for the pupose of racing as i=
t does=20
not have an engine that was ever offered in a miata for sale. This is j=
ust my=20
two cents.=20

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Mail From: Jeremy Schuster <(email redacted)>

I'm not sure that the crossmember is legal in SM2. Lateral braces are
specifically excluded, even if they are cleverly disguised as transmission
crossmembers :-)

Your car does meet the spirit of the rules though, and certainly wouldn't be
protested by me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Godelfer [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:57 PM
To: (email redacted); (email redacted)
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Randy is correct. This car would be legal for SM2 and other classes.
----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Think what you want but the rules state that you can have any
engine/drivetrain as long as it is Mazda. SCCA did the same thing with the
new SM class for autocrossing. If you want to win in an organized racing
event you must build a car to the limit of the rules.

Randy


>>I would no longer consider this a miata for the pupose of racing as
it does
not have an engine that was ever offered in a miata for sale. This is
just my
two cents.

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Mail From: "Jerry Malsam" <(email redacted)>

I'm thinking Randy was just using the SCCA/SM reference as an example
analogous to drag racing rules. Sorry, I just chuckle to think of a 400hp
Miata running an autocross!!

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi "Squeaky"
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Godelfer
To: (email redacted) ; (email redacted)
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Randy is correct. This car would be legal for SM2 and other classes.
----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted)
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Think what you want but the rules state that you can have any
engine/drivetrain as long as it is Mazda. SCCA did the same thing with the
new SM class for autocrossing. If you want to win in an organized racing
event you must build a car to the limit of the rules.

Randy


>>I would no longer consider this a miata for the pupose of racing as
it does
not have an engine that was ever offered in a miata for sale. This is
just my
two cents.

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Mail From: (email redacted)


I guess that would have to mean that a three rotor in a Miata is legal then,
correct?

Jim in Tucson

In a message dated 7/18/02 9:39:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

>
> Think what you want but the rules state that you can have any
> engine/drivetrain as long as it is Mazda. SCCA did the same thing with the
> new SM class for autocrossing. If you want to win in an organized racing
> event you must build a car to the limit of the rules.
>
> Randy
>

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Mail From: Eddie Versace <(email redacted)>

Interesting. I just played them again on my PC via WMP v6.4. Oddly enough, WMP does say it
couldn't DL an appropriate decompressor but still plays the vids fine. I'll see what I can do about
re-coding as soon as time permits.

-Eddie
/-------\|/-------\
Progress through innovation
eddieversace.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
To: "Eddie Versace" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


Well I just D/L'd the files and can't play them. Unloaded WMP and
reinstalled the latest version. Still can't play them?? Get an invalid
media type error. Can see it's trying to find codecs from the server before
this happens.

I've got Win98, IE 6.0.2 and WMP 7.1. Any ideas??

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eddie Versace" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...


> I will try to re-code the videos to get them to stream properly. In
the meantime, I agree with
> Jerry's suggestion about downloading them. The fact that I played them
natively prevented my
> noticing the error in the first place.
>
> -Eddie
> /-------\|/-------[/i]
> Progress through innovation
> eddieversace.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jeff Abrams" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:36 PM
> Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...
>
>
>
> Can anyone get the videos to work? I must not have the right codec....
> Grrrr....
>
> Wallyman
>
>
>
>
> "Jeff Abrams"
> <clavier@bellatl To:
<(email redacted)>
> antic.net> cc:
> Subject: RE: Dynoed the FE3
and there is good news
> and bad news...
> 07/18/2002 11:03
> AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> racingmazda.com/miniMONSTER.html
> Ran a high 10 second 1/4 mile.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Jeff Abrams
> (email redacted)
>
> SUPERCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 2.5 liter 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
> mazdamaniac.com
> TURBOCHARGED & INTERCOOLED 1.8 liter 1997 Mazda MX-5 Miata
>
> If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
> throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think
> how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real
> grenade at them.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:40 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: Dynoed the FE3 and there is good news and bad news...
>
> Is this the first time a Miata ran in the 11's! Post a picture of
> the installation some time.
>
> Lester's idea is sound. Timing of one cam could be off and it would
> run pretty good.
> I thought leakdown was supposed to be checked with engine warm. ???
>
>
>
> Ralph Doehrmann
>
>

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IIRC, in SCCA SM2 it is.

Randy


> I guess that would have to mean that a three rotor in a Miata is legal then,
> correct?

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Or E Mod, which is what I used to run in.

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi "Squeaky"

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IIRC, in SCCA SM2 it is.

Randy



I guess that would have to mean that a three rotor in a Miata is legal
then, correct?

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> I guess that would have to mean that a three rotor in a Miata is legal then,
> correct?

It's not clear to me if you can use *any* Mazda-branded engine in a Miata,
or if has to have one that was sold under the Mazda brand in the US.
If the latter, you'd have to go with a turbo 13b or something. :)

--Ian

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This months Sportscar say any and even non-USA spec stuff too.

Randy

> >>It's not clear to me if you can use *any* Mazda-branded engine in a Miata,
> or if has to have one that was sold under the Mazda brand in the US.
> If the latter, you'd have to go with a turbo 13b or something. :)

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> This months Sportscar say any and even non-USA spec stuff too.

Hm. Does this mean you could put a Mercedes F1 engine into an SLK? :)

--Ian

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I believe the drivetrain be production based. The SM charter says something
like "don't be too creative - run all questionable mods by the board before
you build the car"

Randy


> Does this mean you could put a Mercedes F1 engine into an SLK? :)