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Mail From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>
45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a 1/2
drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It is a
steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of the
pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at an
angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
Jess
Mail From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>
45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a 1/2
drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It is a
steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of the
pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at an
angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
Jess
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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
Jess, I've never been inside the pan yet but looking at the manual I'd
say if he drilled at a severe angle in increased the chance of hitting
the tube. But he would have had to drill pretty steep and deep to hit
it.
Jess Gypin wrote:
>
> 45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a 1/2
> drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It is a
> steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of the
> pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at an
> angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
>
> Jess
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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
Jess, I've never been inside the pan yet but looking at the manual I'd
say if he drilled at a severe angle in increased the chance of hitting
the tube. But he would have had to drill pretty steep and deep to hit
it.
Jess Gypin wrote:
>
> 45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a 1/2
> drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It is a
> steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of the
> pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at an
> angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
>
> Jess
--
Larry
White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Low Country Miata drive.to/lowcountrymiata
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
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Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
Mine was definitely *not* more than 20 degrees. As a machine designer, I'm
certain of the angle and would have found anything greater than 20 degrees
unacceptable, which would have led me to explore another way of drilling the
hole. I wonder if there is a difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
As far as hitting the pickup tube goes, IIRC there was mention of this
possibility in the installation instructions, and that if you were careful
not to allow the bit to penetrate too far into the pan, there was no
concern. Wish I had more info for you, Jess.
Mel
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 8:19 PM
Subject: Drilling the pan.
>
> 45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a
1/2
> drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It is
a
> steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of the
> pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at
an
> angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
>
> Jess
>
Mail From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
Mine was definitely *not* more than 20 degrees. As a machine designer, I'm
certain of the angle and would have found anything greater than 20 degrees
unacceptable, which would have led me to explore another way of drilling the
hole. I wonder if there is a difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
As far as hitting the pickup tube goes, IIRC there was mention of this
possibility in the installation instructions, and that if you were careful
not to allow the bit to penetrate too far into the pan, there was no
concern. Wish I had more info for you, Jess.
Mel
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Mel Hoagland
Wheezy 96/97 black FMII/III vrrooommmm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 8:19 PM
Subject: Drilling the pan.
>
> 45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a
1/2
> drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It is
a
> steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of the
> pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at
an
> angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
>
> Jess
>
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Mail From: "Gary and Hakuna" <(email redacted)>
It also depends on whether you have Air Conditioning or not. With the AC
pump there it's tougher to drill straight. I welded on an extenstion and
had a 3 foot drill bit....I'd say mine was at a 30 degree angle. I was
careful not to do ANYTHING but drill the pan... Now that the engine is out
of the car I'm welding up the hole and moving it down a bit and
straightening it out.... (BTW Jess, I've been emailing LGO directly...)
Gary
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>From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
>Reply-To: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Re: Drilling the pan.
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:29:13 -0500
>
>
>Mine was definitely *not* more than 20 degrees. As a machine designer, I'm
>certain of the angle and would have found anything greater than 20 degrees
>unacceptable, which would have led me to explore another way of drilling
>the
>hole. I wonder if there is a difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
>
>As far as hitting the pickup tube goes, IIRC there was mention of this
>possibility in the installation instructions, and that if you were careful
>not to allow the bit to penetrate too far into the pan, there was no
>concern. Wish I had more info for you, Jess.
>
>Mel
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mel Hoagland
>Wheezy 96/97 black FMII/III vrrooommmm
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 8:19 PM
>Subject: Drilling the pan.
>
>
> >
> > 45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a
>1/2
> > drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It
>is
>a
> > steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of
>the
> > pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at
>an
> > angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
> >
> > Jess
> >
>
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Mail From: "Gary and Hakuna" <(email redacted)>
It also depends on whether you have Air Conditioning or not. With the AC
pump there it's tougher to drill straight. I welded on an extenstion and
had a 3 foot drill bit....I'd say mine was at a 30 degree angle. I was
careful not to do ANYTHING but drill the pan... Now that the engine is out
of the car I'm welding up the hole and moving it down a bit and
straightening it out.... (BTW Jess, I've been emailing LGO directly...)
Gary
hakuna-miata '91 silverstone turbo IV.2 12psi
pacificsites.net/~hakuna/miata.html
>From: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
>Reply-To: "Mel Hoagland" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Re: Drilling the pan.
>Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:29:13 -0500
>
>
>Mine was definitely *not* more than 20 degrees. As a machine designer, I'm
>certain of the angle and would have found anything greater than 20 degrees
>unacceptable, which would have led me to explore another way of drilling
>the
>hole. I wonder if there is a difference between 1.6 and 1.8 engines.
>
>As far as hitting the pickup tube goes, IIRC there was mention of this
>possibility in the installation instructions, and that if you were careful
>not to allow the bit to penetrate too far into the pan, there was no
>concern. Wish I had more info for you, Jess.
>
>Mel
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mel Hoagland
>Wheezy 96/97 black FMII/III vrrooommmm
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>
>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 8:19 PM
>Subject: Drilling the pan.
>
>
> >
> > 45 degrees may not be the exact angle, but with the pan in the car and a
>1/2
> > drill, ain't no way your gonna get 10-20 degrees off of horizontal. It
>is
>a
> > steep angle, whatever it is. May be 30 degrees including the angle of
>the
> > pan. The main question or point that I had was wheter or not drilling at
>an
> > angle would increase or decrease the chance of hitting the pickup tube.
> >
> > Jess
> >
>
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