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Mail From: (email redacted) (Mike Inman)


I race E-Mod.=20

I think, according to SCCA formulation, the 1.6=20
displacement, combined with forced induction (multiply
displacement by 1.5 for FI), makes the engine too big=20
for D-Mod.

D-Mod in Miami is actually filled with tricked out old Datsuns,
RX-7s and the like, and I regularly beat them with my NA Miata....

E-Mod has an NSX (w/ slicks), plus whatever weird stuff shows=20
up, like me. At the Bay Bottom Crawl, a Porsche 911, race
prepped to be competitive at Sebring circa 1980 runs along
with a ground up build Capri (plexiglass windows, slicks, 351
race motor, you get the picture...) and me, and I lose.

If you're in Auto-X to win big on a budget, get yourself a sponsored
Neon. If you're there to take FTDs, buy a shifter cart. If you're there
to have a good time, run what 'ya brung and have some fun.

I personally think that most Auto-X trophies are tacky looking anyway.

M

At 10:27 1/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>The turbo Miata autox combination is a really bad idea.
>
>
>Firstly, you are basically screwed if you try and autox a turbo Miata.=
Don't
>expect to ever win *anything* unless no-one else shows. SCCA rules put you
>in D Mod - i.e. a class dominated by Lotus 7's and the like. If things
>weren't this way, I'd have a turbo Miata.=A0 SFRSCCA (I see you re in=
Oakland)
>has an OSP (run what you brung) class where your chances are a tad better,
>but still ~0. The SCCA does not like cars with turbo's and hates cars with
>aftermarket turbos - it's too easy to cheat.=20
>
>Second, you are wasting your time trying to autox a turbo Miata with street
>tires, they tires will just go up in smoke. If you just want to mess around
>and have fun in a rookie class, destroy some old tires and save the RE71's
>for the street.=20
>
>Third, if you really did want to win, you need racing slicks, 8" wide=
wheels
>minimum, flared fenderwells and a trailer to put your Miata on, because a
>competitive turbo-miata would be nowhere near street legal.=20
>
>Craig
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: (email redacted) [SMTP:(email redacted)]
>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 3:34 PM
>> To: (email redacted)
>> Subject: Tires tires tires (again)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> I realize that this is probably becoming an FAQ, but I need new tires and
>> am seeking opinions and experience to help me out.
>>=20
>> The car is a 95 with extensive suspension mods and currently stock=
wheels.
>> I
>> will be adding a turbo in the next few weeks. I am looking for tires to
>> fit
>> the stock wheels that are as sticky as possible for Autoxing. BUT, I am
>> running
>> in a "Street Tire" class and must have a minimum 120 treadware rating, so
>> none
>> of the "R" type tires are eligible.
>>=20
>> Right now I have RE71's which I like fairly well, but I need to replace
>> two of
>> them and they seem to be "out of stock".
>>=20
>> Choices I am considering:
>>=20
>>=A0=A0 SP8000's in 195/55/14
>>=20
>>=A0=A0 AVSI's in either 195/60/14, or 205/55/14
>>=20
>> Any other suggestions are welcome.
>>=20
>> Mostly I want maximum dry grip, but wet grip is somewhat important too.
>> I am concerned that the AVSi is an older tire technology, and that 205
>> might
>> be too wide for a 6" rim. Also, they are a bit pricey ($116) in that size
>> compared to the SP8000 ($70) so I don't want to pay extra if there is no
>> clear benefit.
>>=20
>> Ultimately, I will have to change to larger wheels, but right now the=
wife
>> prohibits it (she was nice enough about the turbo though so I think I=
will
>> keep her).
>>=20
>> Your advice is appreciated.
>>=20
>> Thanks
>>=20
>> -dg
>>=A0=20
>> David Gould=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (email redacted)=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 510.628.3783 or
>> 510.305.9468=20
>> Informix Software=A0 (No, really)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 300 Lakeside=
Drive=A0 Oakland, CA
>> 94612
>>=A0 - If simplicity worked, the world would be overrun with insects. -
>=20

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Mail From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>

Mike Inman wrote:

> I race E-Mod.
>
> I think, according to SCCA formulation, the 1.6
> displacement, combined with forced induction (multiply
> displacement by 1.5 for FI), makes the engine too big
> for D-Mod.
>
> D-Mod in Miami is actually filled with tricked out old Datsuns,
> RX-7s and the like, and I regularly beat them with my NA Miata....
>
> E-Mod has an NSX (w/ slicks), plus whatever weird stuff shows
> up, like me. At the Bay Bottom Crawl, a Porsche 911, race
> prepped to be competitive at Sebring circa 1980 runs along
> with a ground up build Capri (plexiglass windows, slicks, 351
> race motor, you get the picture...) and me, and I lose.
>
> If you're in Auto-X to win big on a budget, get yourself a sponsored
> Neon. If you're there to take FTDs, buy a shifter cart. If you're there
> to have a good time, run what 'ya brung and have some fun.
>
> I personally think that most Auto-X trophies are tacky looking anyway.
>
> M
>
> At 10:27 1/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >The turbo Miata autox combination is a really bad idea.
> >
> >
> >Firstly, you are basically screwed if you try and autox a turbo Miata. Don't
> >expect to ever win *anything* unless no-one else shows. SCCA rules put you
> >in D Mod - i.e. a class dominated by Lotus 7's and the like. If things
> >weren't this way, I'd have a turbo Miata. SFRSCCA (I see you re in Oakland)
> >has an OSP (run what you brung) class where your chances are a tad better,
> >but still ~0. The SCCA does not like cars with turbo's and hates cars with
> >aftermarket turbos - it's too easy to cheat.
> >
> >Second, you are wasting your time trying to autox a turbo Miata with street
> >tires, they tires will just go up in smoke. If you just want to mess around
> >and have fun in a rookie class, destroy some old tires and save the RE71's
> >for the street.
> >
> >Third, if you really did want to win, you need racing slicks, 8" wide wheels
> >minimum, flared fenderwells and a trailer to put your Miata on, because a
> >competitive turbo-miata would be nowhere near street legal.
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: (email redacted) [SMTP:(email redacted)]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 3:34 PM
> >> To: (email redacted)
> >> Subject: Tires tires tires (again)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I realize that this is probably becoming an FAQ, but I need new tires and
> >> am seeking opinions and experience to help me out.
> >>
> >> The car is a 95 with extensive suspension mods and currently stock wheels.
> >> I
> >> will be adding a turbo in the next few weeks. I am looking for tires to
> >> fit
> >> the stock wheels that are as sticky as possible for Autoxing. BUT, I am
> >> running
> >> in a "Street Tire" class and must have a minimum 120 treadware rating, so
> >> none
> >> of the "R" type tires are eligible.
> >>
> >> Right now I have RE71's which I like fairly well, but I need to replace
> >> two of
> >> them and they seem to be "out of stock".
> >>
> >> Choices I am considering:
> >>
> >> SP8000's in 195/55/14
> >>
> >> AVSI's in either 195/60/14, or 205/55/14
> >>
> >> Any other suggestions are welcome.
> >>
> >> Mostly I want maximum dry grip, but wet grip is somewhat important too.
> >> I am concerned that the AVSi is an older tire technology, and that 205
> >> might
> >> be too wide for a 6" rim. Also, they are a bit pricey ($116) in that size
> >> compared to the SP8000 ($70) so I don't want to pay extra if there is no
> >> clear benefit.
> >>
> >> Ultimately, I will have to change to larger wheels, but right now the wife
> >> prohibits it (she was nice enough about the turbo though so I think I will
> >> keep her).
> >>
> >> Your advice is appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> -dg
> >>
> >> David Gould (email redacted) 510.628.3783 or
> >> 510.305.9468
> >> Informix Software (No, really) 300 Lakeside Drive Oakland, CA
> >> 94612
> >> - If simplicity worked, the world would be overrun with insects. -
> >

I was thinking E-Mod too. Here in the SE that's where they put turbo miatas.
Also there was a Supercharged Miata at the Nationals and he was in E-Mod. figure
the Nationals should have the classes correct.


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