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How big a wheel would have to be used to fit these? Any modifications be needed
to be made to the master cylinder?

Nate

>
>After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
>systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
>brakes and their application on our cars.
>
>I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
>phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
>A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why not?

>
>The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair, they
>are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
>face.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Todd
>
>
>
evergo.net

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Mail From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>


After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
brakes and their application on our cars.

I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why not?

The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair, they
are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
face.

Any thoughts?

Todd

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Mail From: "Malcolm Gray-Stephens" <(email redacted)>


Porsche seem to make the best brakes .. these are modified Brembos not just
stock ones ..but I had seen far higher prices than that .. but then AP which
is the UK alternative is about 1200 GBP or $1750 about 10 years ago for a
custom set up (complete) .. hate to think how much now ... makes the
Wilwoods look like a bargain.

On Wilwoods .. has anyone found pins to replace those horrible split pins
... they really do honk as a design .. those things went out with 14 hour
car services in 1970.. replaced with pins and R clips. I do have a '70 car
with those split pins and pad replacement was always a battle to see how
many pieces the split pin came out in... and that was cast iron calipers
(about same size as stock as the Wilwood on a 1300cc car :-) )

Malcolm G-S
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Paciorek <(email redacted)>
To: Miata Power List <(email redacted)>
Sent: 19 February 2001 21:50
Subject: Brakes - big reds...


>
> After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
> systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
> brakes and their application on our cars.
>
> I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
> phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
> A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why not?
>
> The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair, they
> are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
> face.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Todd
>
>

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Mail From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>


I know 16" fit, I'm not sure about 15"ers...

I have no idea about master cylinder capacity / compatibility...

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:01 PM
To: Todd Paciorek; Miata Power List
Subject: Re: Brakes - big reds...


How big a wheel would have to be used to fit these? Any modifications be
needed
to be made to the master cylinder?

Nate

>
>After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
>systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
>brakes and their application on our cars.
>
>I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
>phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
>A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why not?

>
>The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair, they
>are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
>face.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Todd
>
>
>
evergo.net

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Mail From: "René Smeenk" <(email redacted)>


Todd,
Here in Europe, the only company that I know of, making the Porsche brake
system adapted for other cars is Move-it in Germany.
Their system has the reputation of beiing the absolute best there is (but at
a price!).
I have inquired with them for both my Subaru Turbo and the MX-5/miata and
was told they don't have a adapted Porsche system for the Mazda.
On the price: I wonder where you got your quote, their pricelist starts at
about DM 4300,= excl. tax (roughly $ 2200,=).

René Smeenk
10th AE FMII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata Power List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: maandag 19 februari 2001 22:50
Subject: Brakes - big reds...


>
> After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
> systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
> brakes and their application on our cars.
>
> I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
> phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
> A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why not?
>
> The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair, they
> are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
> face.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Todd
>

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Mail From: "René Smeenk" <(email redacted)>


Their website on the Porsche brakes: movit.de

René
----- Original Message -----
From: "René Smeenk" <(email redacted)>
To: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>; "Miata Power List"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: maandag 19 februari 2001 23:16
Subject: Re: Brakes - big reds...


>
> Todd,
> Here in Europe, the only company that I know of, making the Porsche brake
> system adapted for other cars is Move-it in Germany.
> Their system has the reputation of beiing the absolute best there is (but
at
> a price!).
> I have inquired with them for both my Subaru Turbo and the MX-5/miata and
> was told they don't have a adapted Porsche system for the Mazda.
> On the price: I wonder where you got your quote, their pricelist starts at
> about DM 4300,= excl. tax (roughly $ 2200,=).
>
> René Smeenk
> 10th AE FMII
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Miata Power List" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: maandag 19 februari 2001 22:50
> Subject: Brakes - big reds...
>
>
> >
> > After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
> > systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
> > brakes and their application on our cars.
> >
> > I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
> > phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
> > A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why
not?
> >
> > The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair,
they
> > are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
> > face.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Todd
> >
>
>

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Mail From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>


I believe that they are modified - I have never felt brakes grab so hard,
but I don't know what the modifications are.

The $1000 price is a rough estimate for calipers only, with no bracketry. I
don't know if I was given a wholesale or retail price, but if I fall into
some $$$ soon, I may check it out.

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf Of Malcolm Gray-Stephens
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:07 PM
To: Todd Paciorek; Miata Power List
Subject: Re: Brakes - big reds...



Porsche seem to make the best brakes .. these are modified Brembos not just
stock ones ..but I had seen far higher prices than that .. but then AP which
is the UK alternative is about 1200 GBP or $1750 about 10 years ago for a
custom set up (complete) .. hate to think how much now ... makes the
Wilwoods look like a bargain.

On Wilwoods .. has anyone found pins to replace those horrible split pins
... they really do honk as a design .. those things went out with 14 hour
car services in 1970.. replaced with pins and R clips. I do have a '70 car
with those split pins and pad replacement was always a battle to see how
many pieces the split pin came out in... and that was cast iron calipers
(about same size as stock as the Wilwood on a 1300cc car :-) )

Malcolm G-S
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Paciorek <(email redacted)>
To: Miata Power List <(email redacted)>
Sent: 19 February 2001 21:50
Subject: Brakes - big reds...


>
> After looking at a shop last week that is getting into aftermarket brake
> systems for Audis, I find myself wondering about the Porsche "Big Red"
> brakes and their application on our cars.
>
> I have experienced the brakes abilities in a 911 RS and an Audi S6 -
> phenomenal stopping power. They are now putting them on the much smaller
> A4... My question - has anyone tried these on a Miata and if not, why not?
>
> The price on the brakes are very cheap - less than $1000 for a pair, they
> are either 4 or 6 piston Brembos with the "Porsche" name on the outside
> face.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Todd
>
>

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Mail From: Ian McCloghrie <(email redacted)>


On Feb 19, 2001 "Todd Paciorek" wrote:
> I know 16" fit, I'm not sure about 15"ers...

I looked at the Movit brakes for my '01 S4, after Laguna Seca tore up
my stock ones -- it's a really nice kit, using 993 or 996 calipers.
It definitely required 17" rims though, and they were $3K an end.

--Ian
'01 Audi S4
'99 Miata LP

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Mail From: "Todd Paciorek" <(email redacted)>


You must have been pricing the 996's there are a couple types of the big
reds, including a cheaper version for the Boxster that, thinking as I type,
may be better suited for the Miata and I know these are less than $750 for
the pair retail, 'cause I was looking to fit them to my '92 S4.

Hmmm... Boxster brakes on a Miata... is that heresy?

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian McCloghrie [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:51 PM
To: Todd Paciorek
Cc: (email redacted); Miata Power List
Subject: Re: Brakes - big reds...


On Feb 19, 2001 "Todd Paciorek" wrote:
> I know 16" fit, I'm not sure about 15"ers...

I looked at the Movit brakes for my '01 S4, after Laguna Seca tore up
my stock ones -- it's a really nice kit, using 993 or 996 calipers.
It definitely required 17" rims though, and they were $3K an end.

--Ian
'01 Audi S4
'99 Miata LP

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>


Well, the boxsters *are* slower, so it might make sense....

Bill Cardell
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
flyinmiata.com
200mphmiata.net
1-800-FLY-MX5S (orders only)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Paciorek [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:13 PM
To: (email redacted); Todd Paciorek
Cc: (email redacted); Miata Power List
Subject: RE: Brakes - big reds...



You must have been pricing the 996's there are a couple types of the big
reds, including a cheaper version for the Boxster that, thinking as I type,
may be better suited for the Miata and I know these are less than $750 for
the pair retail, 'cause I was looking to fit them to my '92 S4.

Hmmm... Boxster brakes on a Miata... is that heresy?

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian McCloghrie [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:51 PM
To: Todd Paciorek
Cc: (email redacted); Miata Power List
Subject: Re: Brakes - big reds...


On Feb 19, 2001 "Todd Paciorek" wrote:
> I know 16" fit, I'm not sure about 15"ers...

I looked at the Movit brakes for my '01 S4, after Laguna Seca tore up
my stock ones -- it's a really nice kit, using 993 or 996 calipers.
It definitely required 17" rims though, and they were $3K an end.

--Ian
'01 Audi S4
'99 Miata LP