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Mail From: "Jess Gypin" <(email redacted)>

We know that the Baer brakes on a Miata are heavier than the Wilwoods. The
latest Miata magazine quotes stopping distances of 103 feet from 60. This is
significantly shorter than stock brakes. When they installed the
FM/Wilwoods, they increased the stopping distances. The latest article
claims that the stopping distance is decreased like 40 feet. The way the
article reads, it sounds like the distances quoted are just from the
manfacturer instead of actual testing. This also kind of disagrees with the
article they published about braking and the dynamics of it all. Really does
not look too consistent on their part. Just wondering if they actually
tested the before and after like they did with the Wilwoods.

Jess

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Mail From: (email redacted)

The performance of the brakes depends a lot on which pads that is used. There are the dirt track racing pads and there are asphalt racing pads. Also the amount of wear on those pads makes a big diffence as well. A new set racing pads with Willwood feels to me like hitting brick wall at 130 mph. I have impress a number of instructors with the FMBB kit (even with nearly wore out racing pads) that I currently have on the car. I wait a lot longer to brake and still have often found myself braking early. And a fresh set of pads are cheaper then stock (about $50.00). The street pads take more force but on the street it's not a big deal. Maybe there are better braking systems (lighter faster stronger or cheaper) for the Miata but I will not be taking mine off any time soon!!

On 20 Aug 2002, Jess Gypin wrote:

> We know that the Baer brakes on a Miata are
> heavier than the Wilwoods. The latest Miata
> magazine quotes stopping distances of 103
> feet from 60. This is significantly shorter
> than stock brakes. When they installed the
> FM/Wilwoods, they increased the stopping
> distances. The latest article claims that the
> stopping distance is decreased like 40 feet.
> The way the article reads, it sounds like the
> distances quoted are just from the
> manfacturer instead of actual testing. This
> also kind of disagrees with the article they
> published about braking and the dynamics of
> it all. Really does not look too consistent
> on their part. Just wondering if they
> actually tested the before and after like
> they did with the Wilwoods.
>
> Jess

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Mail From: Keith Tanner <(email redacted)>

They also demoted the Track Dog to third place in the OTC and turbocharged
Dan Scolnick's car without him knowing. There's a little bubble of unreality
around the Miata Mag offices.

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S (orders only)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jess Gypin [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 06:25
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Baer brake article in Miata magazine. Kinda suspicious.


We know that the Baer brakes on a Miata are heavier than the Wilwoods. The
latest Miata magazine quotes stopping distances of 103 feet from 60. This is
significantly shorter than stock brakes. When they installed the
FM/Wilwoods, they increased the stopping distances. The latest article
claims that the stopping distance is decreased like 40 feet. The way the
article reads, it sounds like the distances quoted are just from the
manfacturer instead of actual testing. This also kind of disagrees with the
article they published about braking and the dynamics of it all. Really does
not look too consistent on their part. Just wondering if they actually
tested the before and after like they did with the Wilwoods.

Jess

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Mail From: "Jerry Malsam" <(email redacted)>

Actually, it depends more on the tires than anything. I mean, if you can
already lock all four tires, then the stoutest brakes in the world won't
yield any better stopping distance, although they may resist fade better.

I ran a Corvette club auto-x (read: HIGH SPEED!) on bald Toyo T1-Ses not
long ago, whereas I usually run on Kumho Victoracers, a decent auto-x slick.
At the end of the first straight, I totally misjudged my braking point and
shot off the end of the course. It felt like "No Brakes!", but it was really
"No Tires!"

--Jerry
'97 FM2 @ 15psi "Squeaky"

----- Original Message -----
From: (email redacted)
To: Jess Gypin
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Baer brake article in Miata magazine. Kinda suspicious.


The performance of the brakes depends a lot on which pads that is used.
There are the dirt track racing pads and there are asphalt racing pads. Also
the amount of wear on those pads makes a big diffence as well. A new set
racing pads with Willwood feels to me like hitting brick wall at 130 mph. I
have impress a number of instructors with the FMBB kit (even with nearly
wore out racing pads) that I currently have on the car. I wait a lot longer
to brake and still have often found myself braking early. And a fresh set of
pads are cheaper then stock (about $50.00). The street pads take more force
but on the street it's not a big deal. Maybe there are better braking
systems (lighter faster stronger or cheaper) for the Miata but I will not be
taking mine off any time soon!!

On 20 Aug 2002, Jess Gypin wrote:

> We know that the Baer brakes on a Miata are
> heavier than the Wilwoods. The latest Miata
> magazine quotes stopping distances of 103
> feet from 60. This is significantly shorter
> than stock brakes. When they installed the
> FM/Wilwoods, they increased the stopping
> distances. The latest article claims that the
> stopping distance is decreased like 40 feet.
> The way the article reads, it sounds like the
> distances quoted are just from the
> manfacturer instead of actual testing. This
> also kind of disagrees with the article they
> published about braking and the dynamics of
> it all. Really does not look too consistent
> on their part. Just wondering if they
> actually tested the before and after like
> they did with the Wilwoods.
>
> Jess

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Mail From: Bill Cardell <(email redacted)>

Not to mention we've apparently moved to Glenwood Springs, unbeknownst to
us. FWIW, I don't know anybody that has tried both FM and Baer that kept the
Baers. Keith may have been kind calling it a bubble of unreality. Rampant
hallucination perhaps.

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
(email redacted)
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
flyinmiata.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Tanner [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 8:42 AM
To: 'Jess Gypin'; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: Baer brake article in Miata magazine. Kinda suspicious.


They also demoted the Track Dog to third place in the OTC and turbocharged
Dan Scolnick's car without him knowing. There's a little bubble of unreality
around the Miata Mag offices.

Keith Tanner
Flyin' Miata
(email redacted)
flyinmiata.com
1-800-FLY-MX5S (orders only)
1-970-242-3800 (tech)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jess Gypin [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 06:25
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Baer brake article in Miata magazine. Kinda suspicious.


We know that the Baer brakes on a Miata are heavier than the Wilwoods. The
latest Miata magazine quotes stopping distances of 103 feet from 60. This is
significantly shorter than stock brakes. When they installed the
FM/Wilwoods, they increased the stopping distances. The latest article
claims that the stopping distance is decreased like 40 feet. The way the
article reads, it sounds like the distances quoted are just from the
manfacturer instead of actual testing. This also kind of disagrees with the
article they published about braking and the dynamics of it all. Really does
not look too consistent on their part. Just wondering if they actually
tested the before and after like they did with the Wilwoods.

Jess