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Mail From: "Lloyd Broussard" <(email redacted)>


Can anyone tell me if I could use a transmission cooler as a oil cooler? I
was looking through a Summit catalog, and noticed that they have a wider
variety of transmission coolers compared to the oil coolers.

One other question, I noticed that the oil filter relocation kits have the
oil entering the filter harness at the top, where as the Moss unit has the
oil entering the unit from the side. Does it make a big difference, as to a
side or top entrance and exit for the oil.

My thinking was getting the parts from Summit instead of the Moss kit.
Hopefully I could save a little money, while making a better setup for
cooling.

Lloyd
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Mail From: Chris Robertson <(email redacted)>


Yes, you can use a tranny cooler. Depending on the
design, it may or may not provide as much heat
exchange.

Side or top feed doesn't matter. Just limit the
number of turns (avoid more than one 90 degree turn at
the filter).

Many folks have gone this route (non-moss oil DIY oil
cooler). Do a search on the miata.net forum for
ideas.

Chris

--- Lloyd Broussard <(email redacted)> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if I could use a transmission
> cooler as a oil cooler? I
> was looking through a Summit catalog, and noticed
> that they have a wider
> variety of transmission coolers compared to the oil
> coolers.
>
> One other question, I noticed that the oil filter
> relocation kits have the
> oil entering the filter harness at the top, where as
> the Moss unit has the
> oil entering the unit from the side. Does it make a
> big difference, as to a
> side or top entrance and exit for the oil.
>
> My thinking was getting the parts from Summit
> instead of the Moss kit.
> Hopefully I could save a little money, while making
> a better setup for
> cooling.
>
> Lloyd
> ourworld.cs.com/slvrsrfer4/home.html
>
>


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Mail From: "Murray, Richard" <(email redacted)>


In an oil cooler, you want to avoid the long serpentine single tube type.
You are pumping a fluid more viscous than ATF and the longer, and narrower,
the path the more resistance. You should minimize the pressure drop caused
by the oil cooler. If you have a 1.8L engine, you already have a liquid to
liquid stock oil cooler. If you insist on using the air to liquid cooler,
take the stock cooler off and replace the threaded nipple with the
equivalent part from the 1.6L engine.

You always want the oil to enter the cooler from the bottom, or lower than
the outlet, so that it pushes the air out the outlet and does not trap air
inside the cooler.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd Broussard [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:22
To: miatapower
Subject: Another oil cooler question


Can anyone tell me if I could use a transmission cooler as a oil cooler? I
was looking through a Summit catalog, and noticed that they have a wider
variety of transmission coolers compared to the oil coolers.

One other question, I noticed that the oil filter relocation kits have the
oil entering the filter harness at the top, where as the Moss unit has the
oil entering the unit from the side. Does it make a big difference, as to a
side or top entrance and exit for the oil.

My thinking was getting the parts from Summit instead of the Moss kit.
Hopefully I could save a little money, while making a better setup for
cooling.

Lloyd
ourworld.cs.com/slvrsrfer4/home.html

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Mail From: "Chad J. Douglas" <(email redacted)>


Where's this stock oil cooler in the 1.8 located? What are you
referring to?

Maybe I'm just dense, but I don't remember seeing any oil cooler on my
1.8....

Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: Murray, Richard [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:40 PM
To: 'Lloyd Broussard'; miatapower
Subject: RE: Another oil cooler question



In an oil cooler, you want to avoid the long serpentine single tube
type.
You are pumping a fluid more viscous than ATF and the longer, and
narrower,
the path the more resistance. You should minimize the pressure drop
caused
by the oil cooler. If you have a 1.8L engine, you already have a liquid
to
liquid stock oil cooler. If you insist on using the air to liquid
cooler,
take the stock cooler off and replace the threaded nipple with the
equivalent part from the 1.6L engine.

You always want the oil to enter the cooler from the bottom, or lower
than
the outlet, so that it pushes the air out the outlet and does not trap
air
inside the cooler.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd Broussard [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:22
To: miatapower
Subject: Another oil cooler question


Can anyone tell me if I could use a transmission cooler as a oil cooler?
I
was looking through a Summit catalog, and noticed that they have a wider
variety of transmission coolers compared to the oil coolers.

One other question, I noticed that the oil filter relocation kits have
the
oil entering the filter harness at the top, where as the Moss unit has
the
oil entering the unit from the side. Does it make a big difference, as
to a
side or top entrance and exit for the oil.

My thinking was getting the parts from Summit instead of the Moss kit.
Hopefully I could save a little money, while making a better setup for
cooling.

Lloyd
ourworld.cs.com/slvrsrfer4/home.html

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Mail From: Chris Robertson <(email redacted)>


Look at your oil filter mount. Note the coolant lines
going through it. That's it.

Chris

--- "Chad J. Douglas" <(email redacted)> wrote:
>
> Where's this stock oil cooler in the 1.8 located?
> What are you
> referring to?
>
> Maybe I'm just dense, but I don't remember seeing
> any oil cooler on my
> 1.8....
>
> Chad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Murray, Richard
> [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:40 PM
> To: 'Lloyd Broussard'; miatapower
> Subject: RE: Another oil cooler question
>
>
>
> In an oil cooler, you want to avoid the long
> serpentine single tube
> type.
> You are pumping a fluid more viscous than ATF and
> the longer, and
> narrower,
> the path the more resistance. You should minimize
> the pressure drop
> caused
> by the oil cooler. If you have a 1.8L engine, you
> already have a liquid
> to
> liquid stock oil cooler. If you insist on using the
> air to liquid
> cooler,
> take the stock cooler off and replace the threaded
> nipple with the
> equivalent part from the 1.6L engine.
>
> You always want the oil to enter the cooler from the
> bottom, or lower
> than
> the outlet, so that it pushes the air out the outlet
> and does not trap
> air
> inside the cooler.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lloyd Broussard [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:22
> To: miatapower
> Subject: Another oil cooler question
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if I could use a transmission
> cooler as a oil cooler?
> I
> was looking through a Summit catalog, and noticed
> that they have a wider
> variety of transmission coolers compared to the oil
> coolers.
>
> One other question, I noticed that the oil filter
> relocation kits have
> the
> oil entering the filter harness at the top, where as
> the Moss unit has
> the
> oil entering the unit from the side. Does it make a
> big difference, as
> to a
> side or top entrance and exit for the oil.
>
> My thinking was getting the parts from Summit
> instead of the Moss kit.
> Hopefully I could save a little money, while making
> a better setup for
> cooling.
>
> Lloyd
> ourworld.cs.com/slvrsrfer4/home.html
>


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Mail From: "Murray, Richard" <(email redacted)>


The stock oil cooler on the 1.8L is located between the oil filter and
engine block. To find it with the engine in the car you need long thin arms
or a mirror and light. It is a liquid to liquid cooler. A coolant line from
the back of the head supplies it. The coolant outlet goes to heat the IAC at
the front of the engine. It can be retrofitted to the 1.6L with five parts,
the cooler, a large nut, two hoses with clamps, and the longer filter nipple
from the 1.8L.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chad J. Douglas [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 21:13
To: miatapower
Subject: RE: Another oil cooler question


Where's this stock oil cooler in the 1.8 located? What are you
referring to?

Maybe I'm just dense, but I don't remember seeing any oil cooler on my
1.8....

Chad

-----Original Message-----
From: Murray, Richard [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:40 PM
To: 'Lloyd Broussard'; miatapower
Subject: RE: Another oil cooler question



In an oil cooler, you want to avoid the long serpentine single tube
type.
You are pumping a fluid more viscous than ATF and the longer, and
narrower,
the path the more resistance. You should minimize the pressure drop
caused
by the oil cooler. If you have a 1.8L engine, you already have a liquid
to
liquid stock oil cooler. If you insist on using the air to liquid
cooler,
take the stock cooler off and replace the threaded nipple with the
equivalent part from the 1.6L engine.

You always want the oil to enter the cooler from the bottom, or lower
than
the outlet, so that it pushes the air out the outlet and does not trap
air
inside the cooler.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd Broussard [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:22
To: miatapower
Subject: Another oil cooler question


Can anyone tell me if I could use a transmission cooler as a oil cooler?
I
was looking through a Summit catalog, and noticed that they have a wider
variety of transmission coolers compared to the oil coolers.

One other question, I noticed that the oil filter relocation kits have
the
oil entering the filter harness at the top, where as the Moss unit has
the
oil entering the unit from the side. Does it make a big difference, as
to a
side or top entrance and exit for the oil.

My thinking was getting the parts from Summit instead of the Moss kit.
Hopefully I could save a little money, while making a better setup for
cooling.

Lloyd
ourworld.cs.com/slvrsrfer4/home.html