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<<Minn. Trooper Writes 205 Mph Ticket
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_fe_st/
205_mph_ticket_2 >>

I was soooo hoping it was a Miata...

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Mail From: dwynne (Dennis Wynne)

That made some of my other car lists yesterday.

kstp.com/article/stories/S2677.html?cat=1


Anyway, I am about sure w/o a lot of mods a 1000c Honda can't hit 205 - but I
decided that the LEO probably was off a little in his timing.

Using painted lines 1/4 mile apart, the formula is:

Speed = 3600 / (1/4 mile time x 4)

So: 3600 / (4.39 x 4) is 205.01 mph.

For reference, at 60mph you would clock 15 seconds, 70 would be 12.26 seconds,
80 would be 11.25 seconds, 90 would be 10 seconds, and 100mph would be 9
seconds.

Not only is it a LOT easier to tell exactly when a car or bike hits the
stripes when they are going 60-90 mph (than close to 200) the operation of
the stop watch is not nearly so critical. If they see you cross the stripe and
hit start then watch you and hit stop they could be off a half second or
so - not enough to really mess up your speed (1/2 second to quick would be
about 2mph off if you were going 60mph). If you missed by 1/2 second at these
higher speeds, then someone going 184 would "clock" as if they were going 205.
Even if you were going 90 or 100mph a 1/2 second error would clock you at
95mph.

So the faster they are going the more the stopwatch operation error matters
and the harder it gets to see the EXACT time they pass the stripes. So in
court they might have to knock it back to a 175mph or so ticket :-)

Dennis


At 12:51 PM 09/22/2004 -0400, (email redacted) wrote:
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>Saw this one come across the wire today!
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Plus, it's common to assume the human thumb can waver by about 1/10th of a second from electronic timing when using a stopwatch.


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Mail From: keith (Keith Tanner)

Folks who do lap timing for race tracks can be much more consistent than
that, but they're also dealing with cars that are pretty consistent.

Keith

At 12:59 PM 9/22/2004, you wrote:
>Plus, it's common to assume the human thumb can waver by about 1/10th of a
>second from electronic timing when using a stopwatch.
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(email redacted) wrote:

> *John Hammer ((email redacted))* has sent you a news article.
> (Email address has not been verified.)
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> *Personal message:*
>
> Saw this one come across the wire today!
>
> /Minn. Trooper Writes 205 Mph Ticket/
> story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_fe_st/205_mph_ticket_2
> <story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040922/ap_on_fe_st/205_mph_ticket_2>
>
That trooper needs to do thier math. AHAH 205. Yeah right. That bike
tops out around 180. It's an interesting idea a street bike without a
turbo hitting those speeds. The 1000RR is a fast bike but not THAT fast.

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Mail From: miata (Mr. Photo)

Dennis Wynne wrote:

> Hey, it was even on Paul Harvey this morning - so you KNOW it is true!
>
> Actually, in addition to it being post at the "local" site I listed one
> of the folks on a motorcycle forum I am on lives in the area and
> confirmed
> it was all over the local news.
>
> I didn't say you COULD NOT get a bike to go 205, but a 1000cc Honda would
> take some work. Of course, it would take some major cojones to ride one
> at 205. My bikes can hit 100 easy and one of them is a "naked bike" (no
> fairing or windscreen) and that can be a rush at those speeds. At 205
> it would just blow me right out of the saddle :-)

Having some personal knowlege of this myself having run my Ducati SBK
tracks pacing race-prepped CBR1000RR's the 205 number is just about
laughable from a street bike (not impossible I will agree, just improbible).

The amount of power required to get from that stock speed of around 180
to 25 fasters is not inconsiderable PLUS the CBR1000RR is not nearly as
aerodynmic as the Hyabusa. Add in the friction of the rider and
*unless* they had major HP (logs of mods) or a strong tailwind.. I'm not
buying it. I think the Trooper was a little fast on the button.

I'm sure more info on this will circulate in the next day or so. I just
happen to be a member of the Honda CBR1000RR list so I'm sure the full
story on the bike, rider and how fast they were REALLY going will be
posted soon.

Unless you are the size of a jockey the amount of pressure 200 MPH of
wind pushes back with while on a bike is quite surprising.


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Mail From: andymon (Andymon)

Hey, you got a link to the thread on your list that I'm sure is
covering this story? I'd love to see what the listers have to say!
-----------Andymon


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:39:32 -0700, Mr. Photo <(email redacted)> wrote:
> Dennis Wynne wrote:
>
> > Hey, it was even on Paul Harvey this morning - so you KNOW it is true!
> >
> > Actually, in addition to it being post at the "local" site I listed one
> > of the folks on a motorcycle forum I am on lives in the area and
> > confirmed
> > it was all over the local news.
> >
> > I didn't say you COULD NOT get a bike to go 205, but a 1000cc Honda would
> > take some work. Of course, it would take some major cojones to ride one
> > at 205. My bikes can hit 100 easy and one of them is a "naked bike" (no
> > fairing or windscreen) and that can be a rush at those speeds. At 205
> > it would just blow me right out of the saddle :-)
>
> Having some personal knowlege of this myself having run my Ducati SBK
> tracks pacing race-prepped CBR1000RR's the 205 number is just about
> laughable from a street bike (not impossible I will agree, just improbible).
>
> The amount of power required to get from that stock speed of around 180
> to 25 fasters is not inconsiderable PLUS the CBR1000RR is not nearly as
> aerodynmic as the Hyabusa. Add in the friction of the rider and
> *unless* they had major HP (logs of mods) or a strong tailwind.. I'm not
> buying it. I think the Trooper was a little fast on the button.
>
> I'm sure more info on this will circulate in the next day or so. I just
> happen to be a member of the Honda CBR1000RR list so I'm sure the full
> story on the bike, rider and how fast they were REALLY going will be
> posted soon.
>
> Unless you are the size of a jockey the amount of pressure 200 MPH of
> wind pushes back with while on a bike is quite surprising.
>
>
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Mail From: abefm (Abraham Mara)

I've met the guy with the land speed record for unfaried bikes - he
also holds the record for the fastest motorcycle crash - just over 200
mph, official.

So I can tell you what happens. You end up with a WHOLE lot of broken
bones, a year in a hospital bed, and a LOT of trophies.

And turbo bikes are LOTS of fun. Gotta get mine back together..
-Abe.
P.S. There's also those turbine powered bike (my sister say Jay Leno out
on his a year or so ago). Pretty sure they will do it too. And a 300
hp 'Busa will cost you less than a 300 hp miata. :-)

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Behalf Of Kenneth Sexton

Coincidently the same story is making the rounds at my job today. I have
no idea if the cops really caught a rider at 205 MPH. But I don't see
why not. A few years back when I modified sportbike engines for a
sideline, I'd personally built street bikes that ran to speeds CLOSE to
200 MPH, given enough road. But that was before the Suzuki Hyabusa and
the Kawasaki ZX12 came out. Those two bikes can do almost 190 MPH right
off the showroom floor. That's without any modifications what-so-ever.
With the purchase of any of several "off the shelf" turbocharger kits
available for open class superbikes, a weekend in the garage can get a
bike like the Hyabusa well over 300 HP. All it takes is cubic dollars,
'cause those kits are expensive. Personally I've only done about 175 MPH
a few times. In the early 90s, one one memorable day out with the guys,
I was riding my extensively modified Ninja right next to a
turbo-GSXR1100 at well over 100 MPH, when the rider opened the throttle.
His front wheel went nearly verticle and then he left me behind like I'd
closed my throttle.



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