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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

There are few mods that you can do to free up the high end torque.

This list is as follows: catback exhaust system, rx-7 AFM, ignition
advance(i think this might be a low-end torque change). The solomiata
webpage has the cheap mods that one can do to make the engine "lively"
past the 6k rpm range.

Aram

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Rebecca MAK wrote:

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> I am looking at my stock dyno graph now. The car makes 83ft-lb at 2250 85 at 2750 down to 83 at 3000, then it slowly climbs to the 90 range by 3500RPM. It hits peak torque at 5500RPM. It's torque slowly dies out after 5750. By redline, I have 70ft-lb of torque. I have about 81 at 6500RPM
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Oh, no. I would never put a V8 in my Miata.

When I said I liked the small block chevy, I based that on its ability to
make good horsepower for a good amount of power range with not too much
money.

v8miatas are awesome of course. :)

However, my dream car is an Ultima GTR with a SBC. :) Not a v8 miata.
turbo miata will do for me.

Aram

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Kent McLean wrote:

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> Aram Kim wrote:
> > I guess that's why I'm so fond of small block chevy:)
>
> Would a Ford do? v8miata.com/ [1]
>
> And we don't need to discuss how that much weight
> up front will change the handling of your Miata.
>
> Kent
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>
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Yes, it indeed is a problem.

Changing the O2 sensor was 1 hour job for me. I had bought the 4-wire
sensor from flying miata. They have an installation article on it.

Aram

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, PETER CHASE wrote:

> . My car, for quite some time, had
> >bit of a hesitation around 3,500rpm, then right where the
> >ECU switches into open loop mode, just over 4,000rpm,
> >there WOULD be a kick. Car behaved normally otherwise,
> >and only had the hesitation/kick sometimes.
>
> That's pretty much what I've been experiencing, like
> something's not quite right below 4k and then, all of a
> sudden, everything's working.
>
>
> Replacing
> >the O2 sensor cured the car of this problem entirely.
> >
>
> Is there a way to test the operation of th O2 sensor, or
> is it just something you replace, like plug wires?
>
> Pete
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

We're still talking about NA engines :).

Ah, you make more sense now. Yes, the throttle response seems a little
more crisp in that range. However, I'm not sure if that's due to the
nature of engine load (lift-off oversteer cannot be induced at 2k rpm
because there isn't enough engine breaking going on).

Aram

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:

> Okay, now I'm getting confused. I can't tell if you guys are still talking
> about a stock set up or an FI'd setup anymore. I do not feel any kick in
> either street car nor the race car -- I just notice that the acceleration is
> . . . how do I describe it .. . "looser" at rpms over 4500 and under around
> 6800. The throttle response is outstanding in that range, and using that
> throttle response at its upper end of the range before the dip is what makes
> it or breaks it for SM racing, at least.
>
> I've only driven turbo'ed Miatas a handful of times, but I did notice a
> beautiful load of power at 3k. The owner of one of these beauties once had
> me go out to the country and stop the car. He told me to just get it in
> second gear, and hold the car at right under the 3k line. He then
> instructed me to punch it -- holy s**t I thought I was gonna suffer from
> whiplash! If I didn't die from the uncontrolable laughter first! That was
> a really cool experience! If I was just driving around town, it was a
> smooth effect -- and in fact, if a cop was around, I made SURE it was VERY
> smooth, to hide that blow-off valve noise, lol. If I was autocrossing it,
> it felt as though it kicked on kind of suddenly, but that was only because I
> had my foot to the floor -- and the reaction of the turbo was to be
> expected. In either case, I don't feel the (FM II) turbo had any kind of
> jerky motion as experienced in say, third gen RX7s.
>
> There . . . now I have refreshed my memory as to where I am at in this
> thread. Lol. ;D
>
> BW
>
>
> > Sure, the car pulls harder over 4k, but it should be a very SMOOTH
> > progression. There should NOT be anything described as a "kick". My
> > car, for quite some time, had bit of a hesitation around 3,500rpm, then
> > right where the ECU switches into open loop mode, just over 4,000rpm,
> > there WOULD be a kick.
>
>

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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Haha, if you say so then it is. I can attest to what I have experienced
with my miata and that is that the car pulls strong from 2.5k rpm to 6.5k
rpm.

However, it seems like Peter's car is hesitating before that camminess
masks whatever problem there is.

Aram

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Jeff Gehrig wrote:

> Aram, you need to read a few of the books on the Miata, not only is it
> obvious, it was designed in to replicate the "camminess" of traditional
> English Sports cars. The aim was to give the feel of cams coming "on song"
> at 4,000 R.P.M. without the "lumpiness" that the old engines would have at
> idle. It's not imagined but neither is it a real kick in the back. Another
> example of how looking at a piece of paper like a dyno graph, can often tell
> you absolutely nothing. It's a well documented "phenomenon".
>
> Jeff Gehrig
> Life Member
> MX-5 Club of NSW
> AUSTRALIA
> mx5.com.au/nsw/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Bonni Weatherwax" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>; "Bob Schnider" <(email redacted)>; "Miata"
> <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> Bonni, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
>
> A stock miata with good tune up should not have a camminess. First of
> all, please look at the dyno graph of a stock 1.6L motor at flying miata
> webpage.
>
> flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs/1.6_comparison.pdf
>
> If you can tell, NA 1.6L has relatively little fluctuation in the torque
> department. This means that the car should pull smoothly from hard from
> ideal. Of course, ~90lb/ft can't really pull hard.
>
> Maybe it's because you have a race-tuned(i'm guessing) 1.6L the engine is
> making maximum torque at high rpm range. I think this situation befits
> your description. However, my miata is mildly tuned(intake, exhaust, rx-7
> afm, s-afc) and probably has a torque curve similar to the one shown in
> the graph except for past 5.5k where my mods help me out.
>
> Torque (the "pull") climbs little by little from 2k to 5k, remains steady
> and then declines after 6.5k in my Miata. And I would wager that from 2k
> to 6.5k the torque difference is not bigger than 15 percent of the
> maximum torque (less than 10lb/ft difference).
>
> A well-tuned,stock miata should pull well from idle such than there's no
> surge in power at higher rpm. That is the sign of a well-tuned NA
> machine. Flat torque curve means that the engine is able to use its full
> displacement at all of its engine speeds. Actually, a well tuned turbo
> machine would also exhibit flat torque curve.
>
>
>
> As a side note the 1.6L in the MR2 is a legendary motor. There are
> 20valve variations that are technical marbles. Some group N spec 20valve
> 4age's make 240 crank hp without any boost. I think that the 1.6L MR2
> would probably be on par with a 1.6L miata in a drag race because of
> similarity in weight and power.
>
>
> My two cents :)
>
> Aram
>
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
>
> >
> > Is this just the
> > > way Miata motors are?
> >
> > YUP. AMEN. BINGO. YOU GOT IT, BROTHER. Miatas' powerbands don't even
> kick
> > in til around 5500 (Keith, et., al, do correct me, as I am being purely
> > fuzzy here as to the actual RPM pb beginning point). I can't recall from
> > memory at this time the exact powerband range, but I can tell you this
> from
> > driving the cars for so many years: The Miata powerband does take a while
> > to kick in, even though it is very perky feeling at the lower end. When
> it
> > does kick in, you only have about 1000 RPMs to work with, but an amazing
> > amount of power is built in that range, and it is not immediate, though it
> > is very predictable and VERY obvious. Once you are in that zone,
> goodness!
> > You are just flying! Truly, Miatas are what many call, "momentum cars."
> > From racing and even from commuting, I can tell you one thing -- keep that
> > puppy revved up if you want her to move! I don't even shift, unless I am
> at
> > slower speeds for a duration, until I hit at least 4500. On the
> racetrack,
> > unless there's a yellow or something, I don't shift until either 7k or
> until
> > the rev limiter stops me. Lol. When I am on a road with nobody really in
> > my way ahead, hell -- I don't even think of shifting until I hear a
> certain
> > familiar tone in the engine, which seems to always equate to around 6k or
> so
> > . . . perfect for these overbuilt, rubberband types of engines. In other
> > words -- drive her hard!!! Keep those revs up!!! You will love your
> Miata
> > more, and your Miata will love YOU more -- 'cause that's how they like to
> be
> > treated. ;D
> >
> > My 1.6l 16V 85 Toyota Mr2 seems to rev and build
> > > power alot smoother than my Miata. Is this just a design difference or
> is
> > > there something I'm missing?
> >
> > Hmmm . .. well, since I've never found an MR2 that can keep up with me, I
> > dunno. ;) I hope this list will help you decipher the differences
> better.
> > I think the roughness you are experiencing is primarily due, though, to
> the
> > fact that you've likely owned that MR2 for many years and now you are
> merely
> > reacting to a 'foreign' sensation in this Miata that you just purchased.
> I
> > have had to go places where I had to rent a car, for instance. It was
> > amazing when I got back home and into my own car and noticed how different
> > she really was. Just between the SM car and the daily driver -- man, a
> TON
> > of difference. So just give your new-to-you Miata some drive time -- you
> > will love it as much as your beloved Toyota very soon, I have no doubt.
> >
> > I know I am very enthusiastic, but forgive me if my info is not always
> > perfect. Please feel free to comment if I have written anything not
> > correct. Thanks!
> >
> > BW
> >
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

I agree on this one. I think the problem might be a fuel or ignition
related problem. Change what you would need to change anyways. Spark
plugs, wires, fuel filter, etc.

Aram

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Rebecca MAK wrote:

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> Try riding in a Miata with a Greddy kit at 14psi with the stock Greddy downpipe. It gives you new meaning to kick.
>
> As for the O2 sensor robbing power thing. Assuming you dont have a check engine code, the o2 sensor DOES NOT EFFECT the car's operation at WOT. If you go from 2500RPM and have the car floored, the ECU goes in open loop right there. It doesn't wait till 4000RPM before it goes into open loop.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PETER CHASE
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: Miata
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
> . My car, for quite some time, had
> >bit of a hesitation around 3,500rpm, then right where the
> >ECU switches into open loop mode, just over 4,000rpm,
> >there WOULD be a kick. Car behaved normally otherwise,
> >and only had the hesitation/kick sometimes.
>
> That's pretty much what I've been experiencing, like
> something's not quite right below 4k and then, all of a
> sudden, everything's working.
>
>
> Replacing
> >the O2 sensor cured the car of this problem entirely.
> >
>
> Is there a way to test the operation of th O2 sensor, or
> is it just something you replace, like plug wires?
>
> Pete
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Ah, I understand exactly what you're talking about.

You see, timing advance adds a few lb/ft to the lower end, so a stock car
would exhibit a bigger camminess than an advanced(timing-wise) car would.
However, I think Peter's description is different from what you're
describing.

Aram

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Jeff Gehrig wrote:

> I suppose that "faked" would cover it, although it's not a word that I would
> use. It's a "faux" cam peak and yes (as far as I know), it's the ECU map
> that does it, at least in the older cars with hydraulic lifters. Altering
> the timing, as many of us have, will alter the
> characteristic, cars running the stock timing of 10 degrees will exhibit it
> more than cars running 14, 16 or even 18 degrees.
>
> Jeff Gehrig
> Life Member
> MX-5 Club of NSW
> AUSTRALIA
> mx5.com.au/nsw/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Powers" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jeff Gehrig" <(email redacted)>; "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "Miata mailing list" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> You mean, for lack of a better word, it's faked? This is not a property of
> the cam grind but is the ECU doing something? Can you throw a few words out
> there for those of us that do not have the book?
>
> - Mike
>
> On 10/3/03 4:09 PM, " Jeff Gehrig" <(email redacted)> blurbed:
>
> > Aram, you need to read a few of the books on the Miata, not only is it
> > obvious, it was designed in to replicate the "camminess" of traditional
> > English Sports cars. The aim was to give the feel of cams coming "on song"
> > at 4,000 R.P.M. without the "lumpiness" that the old engines would have at
> > idle. It's not imagined but neither is it a real kick in the back. Another
> > example of how looking at a piece of paper like a dyno graph, can often
> tell
> > you absolutely nothing. It's a well documented "phenomenon".
> >
> > Jeff Gehrig
> > Life Member
> > MX-5 Club of NSW
> > AUSTRALIA
> > mx5.com.au/nsw/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Bonni Weatherwax" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>; "Bob Schnider" <(email redacted)>; "Miata"
> > <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
> >
> >
> > Bonni, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
> >
> > A stock miata with good tune up should not have a camminess. First of
> > all, please look at the dyno graph of a stock 1.6L motor at flying miata
> > webpage.
> >
> > flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs/1.6_comparison.pdf
> >
> > If you can tell, NA 1.6L has relatively little fluctuation in the torque
> > department. This means that the car should pull smoothly from hard from
> > ideal. Of course, ~90lb/ft can't really pull hard.
> >
> > Maybe it's because you have a race-tuned(i'm guessing) 1.6L the engine is
> > making maximum torque at high rpm range. I think this situation befits
> > your description. However, my miata is mildly tuned(intake, exhaust, rx-7
> > afm, s-afc) and probably has a torque curve similar to the one shown in
> > the graph except for past 5.5k where my mods help me out.
> >
> > Torque (the "pull") climbs little by little from 2k to 5k, remains steady
> > and then declines after 6.5k in my Miata. And I would wager that from 2k
> > to 6.5k the torque difference is not bigger than 15 percent of the
> > maximum torque (less than 10lb/ft difference).
> >
> > A well-tuned,stock miata should pull well from idle such than there's no
> > surge in power at higher rpm. That is the sign of a well-tuned NA
> > machine. Flat torque curve means that the engine is able to use its full
> > displacement at all of its engine speeds. Actually, a well tuned turbo
> > machine would also exhibit flat torque curve.
> >
> >
> >
> > As a side note the 1.6L in the MR2 is a legendary motor. There are
> > 20valve variations that are technical marbles. Some group N spec 20valve
> > 4age's make 240 crank hp without any boost. I think that the 1.6L MR2
> > would probably be on par with a 1.6L miata in a drag race because of
> > similarity in weight and power.
> >
> >
> > My two cents :)
> >
> > Aram
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Is this just the
> >>> way Miata motors are?
> >>
> >> YUP. AMEN. BINGO. YOU GOT IT, BROTHER. Miatas' powerbands don't even
> > kick
> >> in til around 5500 (Keith, et., al, do correct me, as I am being purely
> >> fuzzy here as to the actual RPM pb beginning point). I can't recall from
> >> memory at this time the exact powerband range, but I can tell you this
> > from
> >> driving the cars for so many years: The Miata powerband does take a
> while
> >> to kick in, even though it is very perky feeling at the lower end. When
> > it
> >> does kick in, you only have about 1000 RPMs to work with, but an amazing
> >> amount of power is built in that range, and it is not immediate, though
> it
> >> is very predictable and VERY obvious. Once you are in that zone,
> > goodness!
> >> You are just flying! Truly, Miatas are what many call, "momentum cars."
> >> From racing and even from commuting, I can tell you one thing -- keep
> that
> >> puppy revved up if you want her to move! I don't even shift, unless I am
> > at
> >> slower speeds for a duration, until I hit at least 4500. On the
> > racetrack,
> >> unless there's a yellow or something, I don't shift until either 7k or
> > until
> >> the rev limiter stops me. Lol. When I am on a road with nobody really
> in
> >> my way ahead, hell -- I don't even think of shifting until I hear a
> > certain
> >> familiar tone in the engine, which seems to always equate to around 6k or
> > so
> >> . . . perfect for these overbuilt, rubberband types of engines. In other
> >> words -- drive her hard!!! Keep those revs up!!! You will love your
> > Miata
> >> more, and your Miata will love YOU more -- 'cause that's how they like to
> > be
> >> treated. ;D
> >>
> >> My 1.6l 16V 85 Toyota Mr2 seems to rev and build
> >>> power alot smoother than my Miata. Is this just a design difference or
> > is
> >>> there something I'm missing?
> >>
> >> Hmmm . .. well, since I've never found an MR2 that can keep up with me, I
> >> dunno. ;) I hope this list will help you decipher the differences
> > better.
> >> I think the roughness you are experiencing is primarily due, though, to
> > the
> >> fact that you've likely owned that MR2 for many years and now you are
> > merely
> >> reacting to a 'foreign' sensation in this Miata that you just purchased.
> > I
> >> have had to go places where I had to rent a car, for instance. It was
> >> amazing when I got back home and into my own car and noticed how
> different
> >> she really was. Just between the SM car and the daily driver -- man, a
> > TON
> >> of difference. So just give your new-to-you Miata some drive time -- you
> >> will love it as much as your beloved Toyota very soon, I have no doubt.
> >>
> >> I know I am very enthusiastic, but forgive me if my info is not always
> >> perfect. Please feel free to comment if I have written anything not
> >> correct. Thanks!
> >>
> >> BW
> >>
> >>
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Mail From: jerry.houston (Jerry Houston)

I changed the channel tonight in time to catch the end of a commercial for a
Z roadster. Didn't actually get a look at it.

That's the first I've heard of it, but it sure sounds interesting. Anybody
know if it's a Z-350?

From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"


> Oh, no. I would never put a V8 in my Miata.

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Mail From: miata (Jeff Gehrig)

The Z-350 Roadster is already on the road here in Oz so the answer is
probably yes.

Jeff Gehrig
Life Member
MX-5 Club of NSW
AUSTRALIA
mx5.com.au/nsw/




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>
To: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>; "Kent McLean"
<(email redacted)>
Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"


charset="Windows-1252"

I changed the channel tonight in time to catch the end of a commercial for a
Z roadster. Didn't actually get a look at it.

That's the first I've heard of it, but it sure sounds interesting. Anybody
know if it's a Z-350?

From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"


> Oh, no. I would never put a V8 in my Miata.

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Mail From: jerry.houston (Jerry Houston)

Yeah, I guess it's been around here for quite a while, too (judging by all
the information I found when I went looking), but it's been really hell at
work for a while now. I really need to get away from my computer more.
>From what I've seen now, I think the 350Z roadster's gonna share a problem
with the MR2 roadster ... they're both butt-ugly, IMHO. Could be a great
car to drive, but I'd have to look at it all the time, too.

Serrano's been paid off for a while now, and my wife's Sassy will be in
another 8 months, so I'm tryin' to decide what to do with the car payments
next. One Miata apiece seems like enough. That '04 YZF-R1 from Yamaha sure
looks good. 180 HP, and weighs 370 pounds. <g> (And about 1/4 the price of
a 350Z roadster.)

Sure would make for a butt-kicking commute to work, but I think I'm getting
a little off-topic for here, so I'll be quiet now.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Gehrig" <(email redacted)>
To: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>; "Aram Kim"
<(email redacted)>; "Kent McLean" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"


> The Z-350 Roadster is already on the road here in Oz so the answer is
> probably yes.
>
> Jeff Gehrig
> Life Member
> MX-5 Club of NSW
> AUSTRALIA
> mx5.com.au/nsw/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>; "Kent McLean"
> <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> charset="Windows-1252"
>
> I changed the channel tonight in time to catch the end of a commercial for
a
> Z roadster. Didn't actually get a look at it.
>
> That's the first I've heard of it, but it sure sounds interesting.
Anybody
> know if it's a Z-350?
>
> From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> > Oh, no. I would never put a V8 in my Miata.
>
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Mail From: miata (Jeff Gehrig)

The 350 is rapidly getting a rep here for being badly built, things falling
off etc.. Not quite as good as everyone expected it to be.

Jeff Gehrig
Life Member
MX-5 Club of NSW
AUSTRALIA
mx5.com.au/nsw/




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>
To: "Jeff Gehrig" <(email redacted)>; "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>;
"Kent McLean" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"


Yeah, I guess it's been around here for quite a while, too (judging by all
the information I found when I went looking), but it's been really hell at
work for a while now. I really need to get away from my computer more.
>From what I've seen now, I think the 350Z roadster's gonna share a problem
with the MR2 roadster ... they're both butt-ugly, IMHO. Could be a great
car to drive, but I'd have to look at it all the time, too.

Serrano's been paid off for a while now, and my wife's Sassy will be in
another 8 months, so I'm tryin' to decide what to do with the car payments
next. One Miata apiece seems like enough. That '04 YZF-R1 from Yamaha sure
looks good. 180 HP, and weighs 370 pounds. <g> (And about 1/4 the price of
a 350Z roadster.)

Sure would make for a butt-kicking commute to work, but I think I'm getting
a little off-topic for here, so I'll be quiet now.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Gehrig" <(email redacted)>
To: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>; "Aram Kim"
<(email redacted)>; "Kent McLean" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"


> The Z-350 Roadster is already on the road here in Oz so the answer is
> probably yes.
>
> Jeff Gehrig
> Life Member
> MX-5 Club of NSW
> AUSTRALIA
> mx5.com.au/nsw/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>; "Kent McLean"
> <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> charset="Windows-1252"
>
> I changed the channel tonight in time to catch the end of a commercial for
a
> Z roadster. Didn't actually get a look at it.
>
> That's the first I've heard of it, but it sure sounds interesting.
Anybody
> know if it's a Z-350?
>
> From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> > Oh, no. I would never put a V8 in my Miata.
>
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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

The Z-350 is also already on the road here in the 'States . . . presuming
that you are referring to the one made my Nissan. I thought it was called a
350 Z, though. Kind of a weird looking thing, but the few times that I have
seen it at a track day, there were happy owners behind it. So I reckon it's
a pretty decent car.

BW

> The Z-350 Roadster is already on the road here in Oz so the answer is
> probably yes.
>
> Jeff Gehrig
> Life Member
> MX-5 Club of NSW
> AUSTRALIA
> mx5.com.au/nsw/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>; "Kent McLean"
> <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "Miata" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> charset="Windows-1252"
>
> I changed the channel tonight in time to catch the end of a commercial for
a
> Z roadster. Didn't actually get a look at it.
>
> That's the first I've heard of it, but it sure sounds interesting.
Anybody
> know if it's a Z-350?
>
> From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Was "Tango is Getting 'Cranky'"
>
>
> > Oh, no. I would never put a V8 in my Miata.
>
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Mail From: bschnider (Bob Schnider)

sheesh... make a post and go away for a day or two and all hell breaks
loose...

didn't mean to start any wars by the original post. some
clarification...

1. tango does have a broken crank... surfaced two years and 40000 km
ago... was repaired with locktite.
2. the caminess i referenced is not the normal 'you don't make lots of
horsepower until the revs get up here kind of caminess' but rather a
marked increased caminess where power seems substantially less than
normal up to a point then comes on like gangbusters as a result of
changed cam timing which occurs as a result of the crank pulley
becoming disoriented on the crank.
3. other signs of crank failure are there as well... red dust...
slight pulley wobble...

it's only a matter of time now before complete failure again.

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Mail From: bonni (Bonni Weatherwax)

I didn't realize that hell had broken loose, or that any wars were started.
What I have been reading has been fun and educational. Maybe I missed
something??? I do tend to delete a lot lately, due to lack of sufficient
time to thoroughly enjoy the list's postings.

BW

> sheesh... make a post and go away for a day or two and all hell breaks
> loose...
>
> didn't mean to start any wars by the original post. some
> clarification...
>

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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

I can confirm that. no wars. just gentlemen and ladies having a fine
discussion.

Aram

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Bonni Weatherwax wrote:

> I didn't realize that hell had broken loose, or that any wars were started.
> What I have been reading has been fun and educational. Maybe I missed
> something??? I do tend to delete a lot lately, due to lack of sufficient
> time to thoroughly enjoy the list's postings.
>
> BW
>
> > sheesh... make a post and go away for a day or two and all hell breaks
> > loose...
> >
> > didn't mean to start any wars by the original post. some
> > clarification...
> >
>
>
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Mail From: bkabage (Bill Kabage)

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I bought a 92miata with exactly those symptoms. The compression was great and so was the oil pressure. My guess was that the timeingbelt was off a tooth. It was off one tooth on both cams. Bill 97M,97B,96M,92A,92B,91BRG,90Aand90B

Bob Schnider <(email redacted)> wrote:sheesh... make a post and go away for a day or two and all hell breaks
loose...

didn't mean to start any wars by the original post. some
clarification...

1. tango does have a broken crank... surfaced two years and 40000 km
ago... was repaired with locktite.
2. the caminess i referenced is not the normal 'you don't make lots of
horsepower until the revs get up here kind of caminess' but rather a
marked increased caminess where power seems substantially less than
normal up to a point then comes on like gangbusters as a result of
changed cam timing which occurs as a result of the crank pulley
becoming disoriented on the crank.
3. other signs of crank failure are there as well... red dust...
slight pulley wobble...

it's only a matter of time now before complete failure again.

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