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Okay here's a good one: How can I convince my wife that my lil Mia needs a
sister/brother? keep in mind that this lady is a "Chevy truck" person.

Carlos & Mia who's anxiously waiting for a sibling



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Mail From: nora (Nora Hague)

You need another Miata...


for the other foot!

:D

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 somewhat grimy silver Miata here)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata (E-mail)" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: [Miata] Want a sibling


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> Okay here's a good one: How can I convince my wife that my lil Mia needs
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> Carlos & Mia who's anxiously waiting for a sibling
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Mail From: FLORESCG (Flores Cpl Carlos G)

LMAO, that might work or I could use my method of slowly but surely wearing
her down about how lonely Mia is sitting there in the driveway with that
ugly Buick (hers) and how much she would like some Miata company :D
Carlos & Mia who's still laughing
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From: Nora Hague [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Miata (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


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You need another Miata...


for the other foot!

:D

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 somewhat grimy silver Miata here)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata (E-mail)" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: [Miata] Want a sibling


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> Okay here's a good one: How can I convince my wife that my lil Mia needs
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> sister/brother? keep in mind that this lady is a "Chevy truck" person.
>
> Carlos & Mia who's anxiously waiting for a sibling
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Mail From: John Freas" <john.freas (John Freas)

Previously on sibling, "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
said...

> Okay here's a good one: How can I convince my wife that my lil Mia needs
a
> sister/brother? keep in mind that this lady is a "Chevy truck" person.

I won't even go into the question of Miata guy vs Chevy Truck gal, but I
will caution that sometimes it's better to just leave it alone and let her
come to you. Does she like to ride in your car? With the top down? Does
she enjoy driving? Not navigating a vehicle from point A to point B, but
actually driving? If you answered yes to any of the above then you are
ahead of the game already.

There are a lot of people in this world who think of automobiles as nothing
more than a more convenient version of the bus. You'll see them driving
Accords and Camrys and any of a multitude of trucks (SUV and minivans
included). To these people a Miata is not easily understood. They can't
conceive of, let alone understand, the joy that comes from driving a car
like ours. To them a car or truck is a tool, a way to move around. If it
isn't comfortable (wind-free, climate controlled, quiet, smooth) it's not a
very good tool. Some of these people can be converted through exposure,
others cannot. Forcing the issue is likely to fail on either type.

If your wife doesn't object to riding in your car, especially top-down, then
there's hope. Try to expose her to the nicer aspects of the car. Take her
on a nice drive in the country on a sunny but not too hot day, go out to
dinner on a clear, balmy night and let her look up at the stars through the
branches of the trees as you drive along. In short, try to make every
encounter she has with your car a treat, a happy experience rather than a
motion between two points. Make the car magical. If she has any
inclination, that will help to sway her, just don't push.

If she has an appreciation of motorsports, you are indeed fortunate, and
that might be another avenue in the form of autocross. Most newcomers are a
bit nervous about the idea of driving their car hard, but again, with
repeated positive exposure that concern begins to give way to interest.

Good luck, I hope she eventually develops an appreciation to match yours,
but don't be impatient and don't be too disappointed if it never happens.
There are all types, and if this isn't a common interest you'll just have to
accept that.

Now if you just wanted a 2nd Miata for /you/... ;)

-John
_______________________________________________
John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
Red '90 Base-ish #7690
Loouhvull, KY
Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
I love my Miata girl.
"I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."

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Mail From: FLORESCG (Flores Cpl Carlos G)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Freas [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:40 PM
To: Flores Cpl Carlos G; Miata (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling

I won't even go into the question of >>Miata guy vs Chevy Truck gal

** well, she's from IA and I'm form CT

There are a lot of people in this world who think of automobiles as nothing
more than a more convenient version of the bus. You'll see them driving
Accords and Camrys and any of a multitude of trucks (SUV and minivans
included). To these people a Miata is not easily understood.

** Not minivans!!! that's the cancer of car enthusiasts!! :p

Now if you just wanted a 2nd Miata for /you/... ;)
-John
**But of course, I am just trying to make her think that she wanted it...
(cackles evilly)

Carlos & Mia "bwa hah, bwa haha bwa haha"

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Mail From: John Freas" <john.freas (John Freas)

Previously on sibling, "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
said...

> ** Not minivans!!! that's the cancer of car enthusiasts!! :p

Yeah, like Ford Explorers and Chevy Silverados aren't.

> **But of course, I am just trying to make her think that she wanted it...
> (cackles evilly)

Just go slow and let her think it was her idea and all will be well :)

-John
_______________________________________________
John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
Red '90 Base-ish #7690
Loouhvull, KY
Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
I love my Miata girl.
"I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."

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Mail From: FLORESCG (Flores Cpl Carlos G)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Freas [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:20 PM
To: Flores Cpl Carlos G; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


Previously on sibling, "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
said...

> ** Not minivans!!! that's the cancer of car enthusiasts!! :p

>Yeah, like Ford Explorers and Chevy Silverados aren't.

*** Don't get me started on SUVs (makes visible effort to stop typing)

> **But of course, I am just trying to make her think that she wanted it...
> (cackles evilly)

>Just go slow and let her think it was her idea and all will be well :)

***My thoughts exactly.

Carlos & Mia (&%^*%* SUVs)

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Mail From: nora (Nora Hague)

That's my SO. A car is just a method of getting from A to B and the Miata
doesn't have enough cargo space to carry whatever it is he wants to carry.

I'm trying exposure (top-down in November) and country drives (20kph curves
at 60kph), and I'm not mentioning tracks cuz at the mere mention of a track
he goes ballistic.

Think it'll work? :D

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 somewhat grimy silver Miata here)

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Freas" <(email redacted)>
To: "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>; "Miata (E-mail)"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


>
> There are a lot of people in this world who think of automobiles as
nothing
> more than a more convenient version of the bus. You'll see them driving
> Accords and Camrys and any of a multitude of trucks (SUV and minivans
> included). To these people a Miata is not easily understood. They can't
> conceive of, let alone understand, the joy that comes from driving a car
> like ours. To them a car or truck is a tool, a way to move around. If it
> isn't comfortable (wind-free, climate controlled, quiet, smooth) it's not
a
> very good tool. Some of these people can be converted through exposure,
> others cannot. Forcing the issue is likely to fail on either type.
>
> If your wife doesn't object to riding in your car, especially top-down,
then
> there's hope. Try to expose her to the nicer aspects of the car. Take
her
> on a nice drive in the country on a sunny but not too hot day, go out to
> dinner on a clear, balmy night and let her look up at the stars through
the
> branches of the trees as you drive along. In short, try to make every
> encounter she has with your car a treat, a happy experience rather than a
> motion between two points. Make the car magical. If she has any
> inclination, that will help to sway her, just don't push.
>
> If she has an appreciation of motorsports, you are indeed fortunate, and
> that might be another avenue in the form of autocross. Most newcomers are
a
> bit nervous about the idea of driving their car hard, but again, with
> repeated positive exposure that concern begins to give way to interest.
>
> Good luck, I hope she eventually develops an appreciation to match yours,
> but don't be impatient and don't be too disappointed if it never happens.
> There are all types, and if this isn't a common interest you'll just have
to
> accept that.
>
> Now if you just wanted a 2nd Miata for /you/... ;)
>
> -John
> _______________________________________________
> John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
> Red '90 Base-ish #7690
> Loouhvull, KY
> Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
> I love my Miata girl.
> "I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: John Freas" <john.freas (John Freas)

Previously on sibling, "Nora Hague" <(email redacted)> dropped her
faux Bronx accent to say...

> I'm trying exposure (top-down in November) and country drives (20kph
curves
> at 60kph), and I'm not mentioning tracks cuz at the mere mention of a
track
> he goes ballistic.
>
> Think it'll work? :D

I think you might have missed the point. :)

In your case you may have already achieved the best you can get in the form
of a don't ask/don't tell, and do your own thing deal.

-John
_______________________________________________
John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
Red '90 Base-ish #7690
Loouhvull, KY
Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
I love my Miata girl.
"I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."

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Mail From: FLORESCG (Flores Cpl Carlos G)

Isn't that a little too much? Sounds more like Traumatizing.

Carlos & Mia (the "armchair psych")

-----Original Message-----
From: Nora Hague [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:29 PM
To: Miata (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


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That's my SO. A car is just a method of getting from A to B and the Miata
doesn't have enough cargo space to carry whatever it is he wants to carry.

I'm trying exposure (top-down in November) and country drives (20kph curves
at 60kph), and I'm not mentioning tracks cuz at the mere mention of a track
he goes ballistic.

Think it'll work? :D

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 somewhat grimy silver Miata here)

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Freas" <(email redacted)>
To: "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>; "Miata (E-mail)"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


>
> There are a lot of people in this world who think of automobiles as
nothing
> more than a more convenient version of the bus. You'll see them driving
> Accords and Camrys and any of a multitude of trucks (SUV and minivans
> included). To these people a Miata is not easily understood. They can't
> conceive of, let alone understand, the joy that comes from driving a car
> like ours. To them a car or truck is a tool, a way to move around. If it
> isn't comfortable (wind-free, climate controlled, quiet, smooth) it's not
a
> very good tool. Some of these people can be converted through exposure,
> others cannot. Forcing the issue is likely to fail on either type.
>
> If your wife doesn't object to riding in your car, especially top-down,
then
> there's hope. Try to expose her to the nicer aspects of the car. Take
her
> on a nice drive in the country on a sunny but not too hot day, go out to
> dinner on a clear, balmy night and let her look up at the stars through
the
> branches of the trees as you drive along. In short, try to make every
> encounter she has with your car a treat, a happy experience rather than a
> motion between two points. Make the car magical. If she has any
> inclination, that will help to sway her, just don't push.
>
> If she has an appreciation of motorsports, you are indeed fortunate, and
> that might be another avenue in the form of autocross. Most newcomers are
a
> bit nervous about the idea of driving their car hard, but again, with
> repeated positive exposure that concern begins to give way to interest.
>
> Good luck, I hope she eventually develops an appreciation to match yours,
> but don't be impatient and don't be too disappointed if it never happens.
> There are all types, and if this isn't a common interest you'll just have
to
> accept that.
>
> Now if you just wanted a 2nd Miata for /you/... ;)
>
> -John
> _______________________________________________
> John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
> Red '90 Base-ish #7690
> Loouhvull, KY
> Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
> I love my Miata girl.
> "I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

_______________________________________________
Miata mailing list
(email redacted)
realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: rzander01 (Ron Zander)

Hey now....I own a 2000 Silverado, of course it's not fun to drive like the
Miata, but then try to haul 15' 2x10's with the miata, or a load of gravel.
I drive my Miata 90% of the time but there are times when a work horse is
needed. There are a few things the truck just does better.

Ron Zander
'95M


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From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
Of John Freas
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Flores Cpl Carlos G; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


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Previously on sibling, "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
said...

> ** Not minivans!!! that's the cancer of car enthusiasts!! :p

Yeah, like Ford Explorers and Chevy Silverados aren't.

> **But of course, I am just trying to make her think that she wanted it...
> (cackles evilly)

Just go slow and let her think it was her idea and all will be well :)

-John
_______________________________________________
John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
Red '90 Base-ish #7690
Loouhvull, KY
Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
I love my Miata girl.
"I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."

_______________________________________________
Miata mailing list
(email redacted)
realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: John Freas" <john.freas (John Freas)

Previously on sibling, "Ron Zander" <(email redacted)> said...

> Hey now....I own a 2000 Silverado, of course it's not fun to drive like
the
> Miata, but then try to haul 15' 2x10's with the miata, or a load of
gravel.
> I drive my Miata 90% of the time but there are times when a work horse is
> needed. There are a few things the truck just does better.

No arguments here. My point was and is that as an enthusiast vehicle, or
even basic transportation, it falls a bit short.

-John
_______________________________________________
John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
Red '90 Base-ish #7690
Loouhvull, KY
Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
I love my Miata girl.
"I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."

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Mail From: nora (Nora Hague)

That's me - Team Pointless :D

He's probably reached the most he will in toleration. S'long as he lets me
go off on the occasional run, I can live with it.

BTW did you see these shirts; you know you're a Miatanut if...?
mstersmiata.org/MIATA_nut.html

I think I'm guilty of at least 3/4 of them...

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 somewhat grimy silver Miata here)


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Freas" <(email redacted)>
To: "Nora Hague" <(email redacted)>; "Miata (E-mail)"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


> Previously on sibling, "Nora Hague" <(email redacted)> dropped
her
> faux Bronx accent to say...
>
> > I'm trying exposure (top-down in November) and country drives (20kph
> curves
> > at 60kph), and I'm not mentioning tracks cuz at the mere mention of a
> track
> > he goes ballistic.
> >
> > Think it'll work? :D
>
> I think you might have missed the point. :)
>
> In your case you may have already achieved the best you can get in the
form
> of a don't ask/don't tell, and do your own thing deal.
>
> -John
> _______________________________________________
> John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
> Red '90 Base-ish #7690
> Loouhvull, KY
> Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
> I love my Miata girl.
> "I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."
>
>

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Mail From: FLORESCG (Flores Cpl Carlos G)

The one about the hot wheels car I am very guilty of. It was white, and I
painted red.
Carlos & Mia "Red and proud"
-----Original Message-----
From: Nora Hague [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:18 PM
To: Miata (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


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That's me - Team Pointless :D

He's probably reached the most he will in toleration. S'long as he lets me
go off on the occasional run, I can live with it.

BTW did you see these shirts; you know you're a Miatanut if...?
mstersmiata.org/MIATA_nut.html

I think I'm guilty of at least 3/4 of them...

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 somewhat grimy silver Miata here)


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Freas" <(email redacted)>
To: "Nora Hague" <(email redacted)>; "Miata (E-mail)"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Want a sibling


> Previously on sibling, "Nora Hague" <(email redacted)> dropped
her
> faux Bronx accent to say...
>
> > I'm trying exposure (top-down in November) and country drives (20kph
> curves
> > at 60kph), and I'm not mentioning tracks cuz at the mere mention of a
> track
> > he goes ballistic.
> >
> > Think it'll work? :D
>
> I think you might have missed the point. :)
>
> In your case you may have already achieved the best you can get in the
form
> of a don't ask/don't tell, and do your own thing deal.
>
> -John
> _______________________________________________
> John Freas ((email redacted)) - American
> Red '90 Base-ish #7690
> Loouhvull, KY
> Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
> I love my Miata girl.
> "I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."
>
>

_______________________________________________
Miata mailing list
(email redacted)
realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: ian (Ian McCloghrie)

On Oct 3, 2001 "John Freas" wrote:
> > ** Not minivans!!! that's the cancer of car enthusiasts!! :p
>
> Yeah, like Ford Explorers and Chevy Silverados aren't.

Ah, but unlike a minivan, a truck will tow the race car to the track. :)

--Ian

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Mail From: kbarton238 (Keith Barton)

I can't remember who, but one of the lady listers received a bright red
Miata for Valentine's Day.

Keith Barton
99 LP -DelVal


----- Original Message -----
From: "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
>
>
> Okay here's a good one: How can I convince my wife that my lil Mia needs
a
> sister/brother? keep in mind that this lady is a "Chevy truck" person.
>
> Carlos & Mia who's anxiously waiting for a sibling
>

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Mail From: kbarton238 (Keith Barton)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Zander" <(email redacted)>


> Hey now....I own a 2000 Silverado, of course it's not fun to drive like
the
> Miata, but then try to haul 15' 2x10's with the miata

that's why they make roll bars ;)

Keith Barton
99 LP -DelVal

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Mail From: M97C94B90 ((email redacted))

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In a message dated 10/3/01 5:24:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:


> I can't remember who, but one of the lady listers received a bright red
> Miata for Valentine's Day.
>

Wasn't it Debbie S. up in Canada?



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Mail From: bkellenb (Bill Kellenberger)

That would be Debbie Snavely...she got Elmo for valentines day a couple of
years ago.

At 05:18 PM 10/3/2001 -0400, Keith Barton wrote:
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>
>I can't remember who, but one of the lady listers received a bright red
>Miata for Valentine's Day.
>
>Keith Barton
>99 LP -DelVal
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Flores Cpl Carlos G" <(email redacted)>
> >
> >
> > Okay here's a good one: How can I convince my wife that my lil Mia needs
>a
> > sister/brother? keep in mind that this lady is a "Chevy truck" person.
> >
> > Carlos & Mia who's anxiously waiting for a sibling
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Miata mailing list
>(email redacted)
>realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

Bill Kellenberger & Dino
'90 Red MO plate="R-4RE"
Gateway Miata Club (St. Louis)
geocities.com/gatewaymiata (club)
kberger.2itb.com (personal)

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Mail From: kbarton238 (Keith Barton)

I think you're right. Debbie and Elmo.

Keith Barton
99 LP -DelVal


----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
>
> > I can't remember who, but one of the lady listers received a bright red
> > Miata for Valentine's Day.
> >
>
> Wasn't it Debbie S. up in Canada?

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Mail From: bkellenb (Bill Kellenberger)

It was Debbie S (Snavely), but she's from the Heartland of Mid
America...St. Peters, MO


> > I can't remember who, but one of the lady listers received a bright red
> > Miata for Valentine's Day.
> >
>
>Wasn't it Debbie S. up in Canada?
>
>
>
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>_______________________________________________
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Bill Kellenberger & Dino
'90 Red MO plate="R-4RE"
Gateway Miata Club (St. Louis)
geocities.com/gatewaymiata (club)
kberger.2itb.com (personal)

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In a message dated 10/3/01 5:51:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:


> It was Debbie S (Snavely), but she's from the Heartland of Mid
> America...St. Peters, MO
>

Ahhhhm got the right lady but wrong locale. IIRC she and her hubby also
celebrate their anniversary right around Gap time each year and they came
down for the gathering the year she got the car. Now that's a supportive
mate!!! In the words of Will Smith "I gotta get me one of these!" I found a
Miata guy recently and he's a ragtop enthusiast too. Thing is he's really
more of a BMW guy and is selling the Miata to buy another BMW. :( The dang
thing is a Silver Sport too...and any that know me know of my affinity for
the Silver Sports. Just when you think you get lucky...LOL. Oh well.

Cat - who's cars think all her currency really are MSUs
CATTOY '97 M - the green one who takes all the big bucks
Tico '00 Evo LS - the gold one who just gets the pocket change
Team - no kids...two roadsters to support





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