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Mail From: david.mcgill (Dave McGill)

Here is the description of what happened, straight from the horse's
mouth....

"What is it with these troopers and total lack of common manners??? The only
ticket I've been given was this past Summer in the Emergency room of the
Bath County, VA. hospital, getting my left arm sewn back together. The
Trooper shooed all the medical folks out of the room and issued the ticket
while I was lying on the table waiting to get my procedures finished. I
guess you can be at least a little thankful you didn't have to go through
THAT!! The clown wrote me a reckless driving ticket because I hit gravel on
a mountain curve, and laid my CX500Turbo over during the crash on the blind
curve. HE SAID, "Virginia law states that anytime you are at fault, and have
an accident on a motorcycle, you are guilty of reckless driving because you
failed to maintain your motorcycle under control". He went to the site an
hour after the incident and came up with his deduction. This joker must have
been hired under the "equal employment opportunity" law from the bottom of
the gene pool. Troopers may not have an easy job, but then again, these
types aren't going to make it any easier. I doubt I'll ever spend another
dime in Virginia if I can avoid it in any way. The ticket was $140."

The fellow was from out-of-state (Georgia) and I guess it was too much
bother to go back and try and fight it.

Regards

Dave McGill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
To: "Vinnie DeAngelis" <(email redacted)>
Cc: "David McGill" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Since the list is so quiet...(LMC)


> I'm wondering if that would really hold up in court. Where was the cops
> proof??? In SC it's becoming real popular for the cops to give out
> "careless driving" tickets in place of speeding tickets. They give you
> the BS that they are doing you a favor because the fine is less and
> "there are no points on your license". Here's the truth with this. The
> fine is less. There are no points but it still shows on your record as
> a ticket, so the insurance company can raise your rates. The BIGGIE is
> that they hope you just say oh well and pay the ticket without showing
> up in court. That way they get the full amount of the fine from you.
> If you do show up in court the clerk will offer you a reduced fine if
> you plead guilty without going into the court room. BUT if you go in
> and contest it the judge can go ahead and ask the cop what you were
> doing to get the ticket and if he fines you guilty he can reinstate the
> speeding ticket. Nice scam huh???
>

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

I didn't doubt it happened I just wondered if it would have held up in
court.

Dave McGill wrote:
>
> Here is the description of what happened, straight from the horse's
> mouth....
>
> "What is it with these troopers and total lack of common manners??? The only
> ticket I've been given was this past Summer in the Emergency room of the
> Bath County, VA. hospital, getting my left arm sewn back together. The
> Trooper shooed all the medical folks out of the room and issued the ticket
> while I was lying on the table waiting to get my procedures finished. I
> guess you can be at least a little thankful you didn't have to go through
> THAT!! The clown wrote me a reckless driving ticket because I hit gravel on
> a mountain curve, and laid my CX500Turbo over during the crash on the blind
> curve. HE SAID, "Virginia law states that anytime you are at fault, and have
> an accident on a motorcycle, you are guilty of reckless driving because you
> failed to maintain your motorcycle under control". He went to the site an
> hour after the incident and came up with his deduction. This joker must have
> been hired under the "equal employment opportunity" law from the bottom of
> the gene pool. Troopers may not have an easy job, but then again, these
> types aren't going to make it any easier. I doubt I'll ever spend another
> dime in Virginia if I can avoid it in any way. The ticket was $140."
>
> The fellow was from out-of-state (Georgia) and I guess it was too much
> bother to go back and try and fight it.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave McGill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Vinnie DeAngelis" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: "David McGill" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Since the list is so quiet...(LMC)
>
> > I'm wondering if that would really hold up in court. Where was the cops
> > proof??? In SC it's becoming real popular for the cops to give out
> > "careless driving" tickets in place of speeding tickets. They give you
> > the BS that they are doing you a favor because the fine is less and
> > "there are no points on your license". Here's the truth with this. The
> > fine is less. There are no points but it still shows on your record as
> > a ticket, so the insurance company can raise your rates. The BIGGIE is
> > that they hope you just say oh well and pay the ticket without showing
> > up in court. That way they get the full amount of the fine from you.
> > If you do show up in court the clerk will offer you a reduced fine if
> > you plead guilty without going into the court room. BUT if you go in
> > and contest it the judge can go ahead and ask the cop what you were
> > doing to get the ticket and if he fines you guilty he can reinstate the
> > speeding ticket. Nice scam huh???
> >

--
Larry

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Mail From: bfranks (Brad Franks)

Probably. I had a similar accident when I was stationed at Ft. Ord. I was
out and about on the various range roads on a Saturday morning with a friend
of mine. He was trailing me by about 2 bike lengths when I hit some sand in
the road at about 70 mph around a right hand sweeper. I was running between
75 and 85% of my capabilities.

The rear of the bike came around to my left and I hit the ground on my right
side as I pushed myself away from the bike. My body rotated on the
lengthwise axis onto my back with my feet pointing in the direction of
travel so I got to watch the bike as I slid. As is common in most accidents,
it was all snapshot memories. When I finished moving I realized the bike had
slid on it's side back into the road wheels first. They had managed to get
traction again and flipped the bike twice in the air (called a highside to
those who know what I'm talking about) and it landed on the left side. It
snapped off the shift lever, left foot peg and left handlebar.

It took my friend everything he had to avoid hitting either me or the bike
as he tried to stop safely, fotunately both he and his bike made it out
unscathed. A pickup truck came by a few minutes later and the driver offered
me a ride to the hospital (about 5 minutes away, we were near the C-130
mock-up if anyones familiar with the back yard at Ft. Ord). The hospital was
required to report any motor vehicle incedent to the MP's who had civil law
authority on post. They came and interviewed me, then went to the site.

Between the time I left in the truck and the time the MP got on site my
friend had thrown most of the debris in the weeds and leap-frogged my bike
and his back to our barracks, 100 yards at a time. A difficult task to say
the least considering that it had only one handlebar and the wrong footpeg.
The clutch handle was still attached to the bar and dangled by the cable.

When the MP returned he reported that while he would have loved to write me
a reckless driving and public endangerment ticket, he couldn't because there
was no evidence of an accident. He did mention that he saw the sand I hit,
and saw the skidmarks through it, but declared that there was insufficent
evidence to tie me and my bike to it. My firned showed up at the hospital
about 5 minutes after the MP left. Apparently he had been waiting outside
because he saw the patrol car parked in front of the emergency entrance.

I took the insurance money and put it into a set of HRC cams, lifters,
springs, EcU and a 38 tooth front sprocket. It was the only 600 CC bike in
the Monterey Peninsula that could power wheelie. I fixed and repainted the
bodywork myself with medium metallic Kelley Green and placed plain white
laser cut Honda stickers on the lower fairings and above the the head and
tail light. Confused a large number of people I met...

;)

Brad


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>

> I didn't doubt it happened I just wondered if it would have held up in
> court.
>
> Dave McGill wrote:
> >
> > Here is the description of what happened, straight from the horse's
> > mouth....
> >
> > "What is it with these troopers and total lack of common manners??? The
only
> > ticket I've been given was this past Summer in the Emergency room of the
> > Bath County, VA. hospital, getting my left arm sewn back together. The
> > Trooper shooed all the medical folks out of the room and issued the
ticket
> > while I was lying on the table waiting to get my procedures finished. I
> > guess you can be at least a little thankful you didn't have to go
through
> > THAT!! The clown wrote me a reckless driving ticket because I hit gravel
on
> > a mountain curve, and laid my CX500Turbo over during the crash on the
blind
> > curve. HE SAID, "Virginia law states that anytime you are at fault, and
have
> > an accident on a motorcycle, you are guilty of reckless driving because
you
> > failed to maintain your motorcycle under control". He went to the site
an
> > hour after the incident and came up with his deduction. This joker must
have
> > been hired under the "equal employment opportunity" law from the bottom
of
> > the gene pool. Troopers may not have an easy job, but then again, these
> > types aren't going to make it any easier. I doubt I'll ever spend
another
> > dime in Virginia if I can avoid it in any way. The ticket was $140."
> >
> > The fellow was from out-of-state (Georgia) and I guess it was too much
> > bother to go back and try and fight it.

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Mail From: lunadivolo (Eric Moon)

At 10/26/01 Friday 06:44 PM, Brad Franks wrote:

>I took the insurance money and put it into a set of HRC cams, lifters,
>springs, EcU and a 38 tooth front sprocket. It was the only 600 CC bike in
>the Monterey Peninsula that could power wheelie. I fixed and repainted the
>bodywork myself with medium metallic Kelley Green and placed plain white
>laser cut Honda stickers on the lower fairings and above the the head and
>tail light. Confused a large number of people I met...
>
>;)



Crashing really sucks because so much of the bike gets trashed in even a
small, non-injury crash.

The side benefit to that is insurance money can be nice for performing a
makeover on the bike.

Try this for confusing:
pub14.ezboard.com/fyamahar6messagenetmemberspictures.showMessage?topicID=345.topic


---Eric---