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Mail From: kcmurphy72 (Murph)

> the difference is like chalk
> and cheese: far better detection with far fewer falses.


How profound :-)

Question... where is a good place to mount a detector in the miata? In my
Camry, I have it behind the mirror so that its nice and high, yet the display
is blocked from officer's view, and I go by sound to know whats up. However
with the top down I may not hear the bee bee bee bee.

What's the vote?

Miataless Murph
for 3 more days!!!!

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Mail From: Brad Franks" <bfranks (Brad Franks)

Check the archives, we had a HUGE debate on the list in the recent past
(like 2-3 months ago) on this very topic...


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>
> Question... where is a good place to mount a detector in the miata?

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KCMurphy,
What's the vote?
As a current police officer for the Chicago Police Department (for the
last ten years and counting) I would vote just to drive the speed limit or
only slightly over (3-7). <smile> Personally, I would not put that much
faith in a radar detector and I have never seen one that stands up to all it
is cracked up to be. (Mostly a bunch of hype in my humble opinion.)
Of course I am sure that some are better than others just as some
burglar alarms and locks are better than others. However, you know the
sayings? "Locks were made for thieves," or "Lock were made to keep honest
people honest."
Furthermore, I think most officers could careless if your radar
detector is in plain view. In fact a feeble attempt to hide something (or
anything) is an insult of our intelligence and most likely a sure way to get
a ticket.
Lastly, save your speed for your next organized local autocross or
race event. Otherwise see me now or see later nonetheless
...Beep...beep...beep...beep.beep.beep...GOTCHA! (smile)



Ward Bond
Police Officer
Chicago Police Department
Traffic Enforcement
Red 1990 Miata
85,000
2nd owner




In a message dated 4/29/2003 12:40:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

> Question... where is a good place to mount a detector in the miata? In my
> Camry, I have it behind the mirror so that its nice and high, yet the
> display
> is blocked from officer's view, and I go by sound to know whats up. However
> with the top down I may not hear the bee bee bee bee.
>
> What's the vote?
>
> Miataless Murph
> for 3 more days!!!!
>




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Mail From: solja (Jason Soza)

Hehe... I kind of have to agree here.

I bought a radar detector and while I didn't put much faith in it, I still thought it worked pretty well.

Then I went on some ride-alongs with my friend, a police officer. Radar detectors MAY work as advertised on a long, straight stretch of highway, but when you throw in a curve, hill, or other obstacle, I think you're putting a lot of trust into something that just won't work. On my ride-alongs, we would set up just around a bend or just on the other side of a hill, off the road, pointed at traffic - we'd just watch and you can get a feel for the speed of traffic and then pick out the speeders. At that point, you flip on the radar and lock their speed in about a second. Place a call to another officer down the road, and the speeder is toast. I don't believe anyone, with or without a radar detector, would have time to react to that. I spoke with my friend about detectors and he just kind of laughed, because in the speed trap we'd set up, they are pretty useless.

Like I said, though, the detector might save you when you and an officer are closing in on each other on a long stretch of road - it's just a matter of who has the longer range. If you're going to get a ticket, though, you're going to get a ticket.

FWIW, I got pulled over once with my radar detector mounted next to my rearview mirror, top down. I think it may have even beeped when the officer was talking to me. He didn't say a word about it. I didn't get a ticket though, I think because I passed in front of him at an intersection and he didn't have a radar lock on me, only a visual.

Anyway, just my observation, experience, and 2 cents! YMMV...

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

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Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting

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> KCMurphy,
> What's the vote?
> As a current police officer for the Chicago Police
> Department (for the
> last ten years and counting) I would vote just to drive the speed
> limit or
> only slightly over (3-7). <smile> Personally, I would not put
> that much
> faith in a radar detector and I have never seen one that stands up
> to all it
> is cracked up to be. (Mostly a bunch of hype in my humble opinion.)
> Of course I am sure that some are better than others just
> as some
> burglar alarms and locks are better than others. However, you
> know the
> sayings? "Locks were made for thieves," or "Lock were made to
> keep honest
> people honest."
> Furthermore, I think most officers could careless if your
> radar
> detector is in plain view. In fact a feeble attempt to hide
> something (or
> anything) is an insult of our intelligence and most likely a sure
> way to get
> a ticket.
> Lastly, save your speed for your next organized local
> autocross or
> race event. Otherwise see me now or see later nonetheless
> ...Beep...beep...beep...beep.beep.beep...GOTCHA! (smile)
>
>
>
> Ward Bond
> Police Officer
> Chicago Police Department
> Traffic Enforcement
> Red 1990 Miata
> 85,000
> 2nd owner

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Mail From: berck (Berck E. Nash)

Jason Soza wrote:
> I don't believe anyone, with or
> without a radar detector, would have time to react to that. I spoke
> with my friend about detectors and he just kind of laughed, because
> in the speed trap we'd set up, they are pretty useless.

The point is, with a good radar detector, you'd probably be surprised. Most
cops don't use instant on radar like that. I've never been tagged with
instant-on. Most sit there with the radar on, pointed down the road. In
that case, I've usually got at the VERY LEAST a half-mile warning.
Sometimes as much as 2.5 miles depending on conditions and band. I've
picked up k-band "your speed is" signs from as far as 3 miles away. Even
around acorner or over a hill, sure, it's not as good as a straight line but
you'd be amazed how wide the beam is, how much it scatters, and what little
bits can be picked up.

Even in the situation you described, if you pick out someone you think is
speeding, and someone with a radar detector is behind them, you still have
plenty of time to slow down. I've avoided several laser tickets using just
this scenaria. You get a laser warning, you step on the brakes, before long
you're doing 5 over the speed limit, and in another few second you get
another laser warning as the cop aims at you. With laser though, if the cop
is good at it and hanging around a corner, even this won't work as laser is
line-of-sight, and even though the beam is wide at a distance, it doesn't
scatter like radar does.

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Berck,
Wow! Such a powerful statement. I signed off for a couple of hours
to run an errand or two and I am just getting caught up on the RD email
issues.
Ironically, before becoming a police officer I, too, was a flight
attendant for United Airlines for eight years. (What a coincidence huh?) I
was also asked on more than one occasion if I was gay during the course of my
employment at United and I am not gay. However, there are a significant
number of police officers that are gay both male and female and no one would
ever think to ask them such a question.
Typical cop I doubt it...just like I don't think there is a such thing
as a typical flight attendant. Albeit I do not know all the particulars
regarding all the encounters you have had with police officers in the past
but somewhere one brushed you the wrong way and it shows. Unfortunately,
there are bad apples everywhere police officers, flight attendants, athletes,
and Miata drivers (smile). Fortunately, one bad apple certainly does not
spoil the bunch.
However, for the record speed limits do exists for more than one
reason -- revenue generation. Namely fuel consumption (meaning waste or did
you forget about the war with Iraq?), road repairs, and road construction.
In fact a great many interstates and highways are (and were) funded by
donations from traffic violators.
Furthermore, you seem to share the same view as does a great many
individuals I have the unfortunate opportunity to stop for a traffic
violation. That being there is always someone doing wrong far worse than me?
Why aren't you out catching them? By that I mean in your email you made
reference to the driver obstructing traffic who is driving slower than the
speed limit when statistical speeders are more likely to be in an accident or
cause an accident. The end result is excessive speeding kills because
through speed you have a limited time to react and other drivers have a
limited time as well to react to your maneuvers. Let's also add to the story
the type, make, mechanical reliability, driver (age, health, etc.), and the
vehicle itself. And you wanna go 25-30 over the posted speed limit? Sounds
like you are asking for trouble but who am I...Just a typical cop?
Lastly, above the law never! I got two tickets (neither for speeding)
in WI since I have been a cop. Expert driver? Never I make mistakes both on
and off duty but I try hard (very hard) not to make the same mistake twice.
It is all a part of learning and growing process and I am only human.
However, as far as I am concerned and I think most officers would agree, "I
want (and prefer) people to be up front with me." For example, if you were
not wearing your seat belt then you were not wearing it! (Whether you took
it off for a second to check on the kid in the back or you dropped your lit
cigarette) BTW both in my opinion good explanations but don't lie to me for
no apparent reason attempt to sneak your belt back on and tell me you were
wearing it. (Therefore you don't have to hide your radar detector at least
not in front of me that is.) After all as a police officer I do have a
certain amount of discretion as it pertains to traffic stops.
However, let us not forget that I do have a responsibility to enforce
the law just as you as a driver have a responsibility to obey the law.
Ultimately, driving is a privilege not a right! Lastly, for the record I
don't eat donuts (and I never drank coffee), there is no ticket quota (at
least not at the Chicago Police Department), and I put my pants on the same
way everybody else does...one leg at a time. (smile)


Ward






In a message dated 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

> Subj: NMC Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting
> Date: 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time
> From: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
> To: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>, <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> (email redacted) wrote:
> >detector is in plain view. In fact a feeble attempt to hide
> >something (or anything) is an insult of our intelligence and most
> >likely a sure way to get a ticket.
>
> Oh, what a wonderful attitude. So typical of cops. "You have no right to
> hide anything from me, I'm the law." I don't know you, but I'll refrain
> from commenting on the intelligence of most cops I've had the pleasure of
> dealing with.
>
>
> And a cop who really thinks that he's helping anyone
> by issuing a citation for driving 75mph in a 50mph zone on the interstate,
> where the speed of traffic is 75mph is an idiot. The speed limits exist
> for
> one purpose only: revenue generation and anyone who points this out gets
> called a murderer. If things made any sense, cops would pull over people
> driving 45mph for obstructing traffic, who tend to be just as, if not more
> dangerous than people driving 20mph faster than the speed of traffic.
> Speed
> doesn't kill, relative speed kills.
>
> As for radar/laser detection, it works better than most cops realize. Most
> are too lazy to use instant on radar. If you're sitting there with the
> radar gun on, I'll detect it a mile away if it's Ka band and closer to two
> miles away for K band. If you're using laser, great, but when you bounce
> laser off the guy in front of me, you don't stand a chance of tagging me.
> Unless, of course, you simply lie about it. Which I've seen.
>
> In my year and half of having a radar detector, I've lost count of the
> number of times I would have gotten a ticket without it. With it, I've
> gotten one ticket. While driving rougly the speed of traffic at 80mph in a
> 50mph zone, someone passed me in a green taurus going quite a bit faster
> than me. As I was being passed, my laser detector went off. I suspect the
> cop bounced laser off of the taurus, got a reading of 87mph and gave me the
> ticket because I was in the red convertable. I'm sure that the 100+mph he
> travelled at to catch up with me was safe, because that crown victoria
> handles so well and can stop so quickly if something goes wrong.
>




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Mail From: berck (Berck E. Nash)

Well, I'm surprised. You express yourself more thoughtfully and more
intelligently than any police officer I've ever talked to. As for having a
bad experience with a police officer, I've had not one, but more like a
dozen. The first when I was 12 years old, so I will admit that I'm biased.
Sure, I've gotten tickets from police officers who were clearly just doing
their job and being polite about it. If they're quick, professional and
treat me with respect, I'll do the same. Unfortunately, the result is
usually the opposite.

Yes, excessive speed makes an accdient more likely to be fatal. But for a
driver with over 150,000 miles in his own vehicles alone and 8 years without
a single accident, I'd say that you're better off chasing after someone
else. I've driven from Dallas to Lake Michigan to Montana Glacier Nat. Park
to the Grand Canyon and back to Dallas, driving over the speed limit most of
the time. I've driven cross-country on countless occaisions. I drive a
LOT, and I am NOT unsafe. There is someone else statistically a LOT more
likely to harm someone else. And it IS statistics we're talking about
because your arguments are that people who speed are more LIKELY to die or
cause death in an accident. Mine is that people who speed and don't get in
accidents are far less likely to die per time on the road than people who
don't speed but get in an accident every few years. You could say that I'm
merely lucky, but people who haven't gotten in an accident are less likely
to get in one in the future. Furthermore, I'm sure luck has something to do
with it, since I've simply never wound up in the wrong place in the wrong
time like a lot of people. I have found myself in bad situations and gotten
out of them. I've certainly been in situations that were I not driving a
Miata, I never would have avoided an accident.

As for hiding a radar detector, that's just not my style. In fact, the last
officer who ticketed me over was surprised that I braked as he tagged me
with laser. He didn't know laser detection actually worked, and asked about
it some. The amusing part about it is that 30 seconds after I got back onto
the interstate (driving over the speed limit), my laser detector kept me
from getting another ticket because a cop just down the road tagged the guy
in front of me, giving me time to slow down.

(Why was there a cop just down the road? Because there were about 6 of them
in a 5 mile stretch of road where everyone drives 75 and the speed limit is
50. Easy picking.)

Berck

> Berck,
> Wow! Such a powerful statement. I signed off for a couple of
> hours
> to run an errand or two and I am just getting caught up on the RD
> email
> issues.
> Ironically, before becoming a police officer I, too, was a
> flight
> attendant for United Airlines for eight years. (What a coincidence
> huh?) I
> was also asked on more than one occasion if I was gay during the
> course of my
> employment at United and I am not gay. However, there are a
> significant
> number of police officers that are gay both male and female and no
> one would
> ever think to ask them such a question.
> Typical cop I doubt it...just like I don't think there is a
> such thing
> as a typical flight attendant. Albeit I do not know all the
> particulars
> regarding all the encounters you have had with police officers in the
> past
> but somewhere one brushed you the wrong way and it shows.
> Unfortunately,
> there are bad apples everywhere police officers, flight attendants,
> athletes,
> and Miata drivers (smile). Fortunately, one bad apple certainly does
> not
> spoil the bunch.
> However, for the record speed limits do exists for more than
> one
> reason -- revenue generation. Namely fuel consumption (meaning waste
> or did
> you forget about the war with Iraq?), road repairs, and road
> construction.
> In fact a great many interstates and highways are (and were) funded by
> donations from traffic violators.
> Furthermore, you seem to share the same view as does a great
> many
> individuals I have the unfortunate opportunity to stop for a traffic
> violation. That being there is always someone doing wrong far worse
> than me? Why aren't you out catching them? By that I mean in your
> email you made
> reference to the driver obstructing traffic who is driving slower
> than the
> speed limit when statistical speeders are more likely to be in an
> accident or
> cause an accident. The end result is excessive speeding kills because
> through speed you have a limited time to react and other drivers have
> a
> limited time as well to react to your maneuvers. Let's also add to
> the story
> the type, make, mechanical reliability, driver (age, health, etc.),
> and the
> vehicle itself. And you wanna go 25-30 over the posted speed limit?
> Sounds
> like you are asking for trouble but who am I...Just a typical cop?
> Lastly, above the law never! I got two tickets (neither for
> speeding)
> in WI since I have been a cop. Expert driver? Never I make mistakes
> both on
> and off duty but I try hard (very hard) not to make the same mistake
> twice.
> It is all a part of learning and growing process and I am only human.
> However, as far as I am concerned and I think most officers would
> agree, "I
> want (and prefer) people to be up front with me." For example, if
> you were
> not wearing your seat belt then you were not wearing it! (Whether
> you took
> it off for a second to check on the kid in the back or you dropped
> your lit
> cigarette) BTW both in my opinion good explanations but don't lie to
> me for
> no apparent reason attempt to sneak your belt back on and tell me you
> were
> wearing it. (Therefore you don't have to hide your radar detector at
> least
> not in front of me that is.) After all as a police officer I do have
> a
> certain amount of discretion as it pertains to traffic stops.
> However, let us not forget that I do have a responsibility to
> enforce
> the law just as you as a driver have a responsibility to obey the law.
> Ultimately, driving is a privilege not a right! Lastly, for the
> record I
> don't eat donuts (and I never drank coffee), there is no ticket quota
> (at
> least not at the Chicago Police Department), and I put my pants on
> the same
> way everybody else does...one leg at a time. (smile)
>
>
> Ward
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
>> Subj: NMC Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting
>> Date: 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time
>> From: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
>> To: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>, <A
>> HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A> Sent from the
>> Internet
>>
>>
>>
>> (email redacted) wrote:
>>> detector is in plain view. In fact a feeble attempt to hide
>>> something (or anything) is an insult of our intelligence and most
>>> likely a sure way to get a ticket.
>>
>> Oh, what a wonderful attitude. So typical of cops. "You have no
>> right to
>> hide anything from me, I'm the law." I don't know you, but I'll
>> refrain
>> from commenting on the intelligence of most cops I've had the
>> pleasure of
>> dealing with.
>>
>>
>> And a cop who really thinks that he's helping anyone
>> by issuing a citation for driving 75mph in a 50mph zone on the
>> interstate,
>> where the speed of traffic is 75mph is an idiot. The speed limits
>> exist
>> for
>> one purpose only: revenue generation and anyone who points this out
>> gets
>> called a murderer. If things made any sense, cops would pull over
>> people
>> driving 45mph for obstructing traffic, who tend to be just as, if
>> not more
>> dangerous than people driving 20mph faster than the speed of traffic.
>> Speed
>> doesn't kill, relative speed kills.
>>
>> As for radar/laser detection, it works better than most cops
>> realize. Most
>> are too lazy to use instant on radar. If you're sitting there with
>> the
>> radar gun on, I'll detect it a mile away if it's Ka band and closer
>> to two
>> miles away for K band. If you're using laser, great, but when you
>> bounce
>> laser off the guy in front of me, you don't stand a chance of
>> tagging me.
>> Unless, of course, you simply lie about it. Which I've seen.
>>
>> In my year and half of having a radar detector, I've lost count of
>> the
>> number of times I would have gotten a ticket without it. With it,
>> I've
>> gotten one ticket. While driving rougly the speed of traffic at
>> 80mph in a 50mph zone, someone passed me in a green taurus going
>> quite a bit faster
>> than me. As I was being passed, my laser detector went off. I
>> suspect the
>> cop bounced laser off of the taurus, got a reading of 87mph and gave
>> me the
>> ticket because I was in the red convertable. I'm sure that the
>> 100+mph he
>> travelled at to catch up with me was safe, because that crown
>> victoria
>> handles so well and can stop so quickly if something goes wrong.
>>
>
>
>
>
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Mail From: miatak earthlink.net (K

I kinda hesitated responding to a post that was obviously part of a private
post... so Berk... I apologize. But, I feel I need to comment here and
needed your response to make my point.

I have been driving over the speed limit, and aggressively for decades now.
Yet, I have never felt the need for a radar detector, nor do I ever intend
to have one. YET, I have NEVER been cited with a moving violation!

How, you may ask?.... My secret, I drive with full awareness. I am fully
aware of the road and the traffic surrounding me. I HAVE been pulled over
for speeding twice and, both times given a warning. But, in one case the
cop said, and I quote "I know you saw me, why didn't you slow down?" I have
used this advise wisely. I'm sure this doesn't work all the time, nor in
all areas but it's kept this girl out of many a traffic school.

Further, If you are indeed driving with the road ahead in mind you will just
'Know' when to slow down. The second part to this is the action. When you
get a 'knowing' feeling you can not ignore it! My husband has finally
started listening to my 'knowing after he has seen how well it works.

Now before y'all dismiss this post as so much 'psycho-babble' I 'KNOW' y'all
know exactly what I am talking about, especially you track folks. But you
have been in the habit of ignoring your inner feelings. Stop ignoring those
feelings and I bet your ticket prices will drop, as well as all the other
costly road hazards.

Ya'll try it! I bet you will be pleased with the result.

Kat
Millie <-- '00 Silver SP1

>
> In a message dated 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> (email redacted) writes:

<Big Snip here... >
> > In my year and half of having a radar detector, I've lost count of the
> > number of times I would have gotten a ticket without it. With it, I've
> > gotten one ticket. While driving rougly the speed of traffic at 80mph
in a
> > 50mph zone, someone passed me in a green taurus going quite a bit faster
> > than me. As I was being passed, my laser detector went off. I suspect
the
> > cop bounced laser off of the taurus, got a reading of 87mph and gave me
the
> > ticket because I was in the red convertable. I'm sure that the 100+mph
he
> > travelled at to catch up with me was safe, because that crown victoria
> > handles so well and can stop so quickly if something goes wrong.
> >

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Mail From: supermiataman (Ben Upton)

isn't there some sort of distance law, if you go so far after commiting the
crime, before they pull you over, its too late. i know in the city its like
two blocks that they can follow you in my city.
Ben






>From: Jason Soza <(email redacted)>
>To: (email redacted)
>CC: (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting
>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:47:33 -0800
>
>Hehe... I kind of have to agree here.
>
>I bought a radar detector and while I didn't put much faith in it, I still
>thought it worked pretty well.
>
>Then I went on some ride-alongs with my friend, a police officer. Radar
>detectors MAY work as advertised on a long, straight stretch of highway,
>but when you throw in a curve, hill, or other obstacle, I think you're
>putting a lot of trust into something that just won't work. On my
>ride-alongs, we would set up just around a bend or just on the other side
>of a hill, off the road, pointed at traffic - we'd just watch and you can
>get a feel for the speed of traffic and then pick out the speeders. At that
>point, you flip on the radar and lock their speed in about a second. Place
>a call to another officer down the road, and the speeder is toast. I don't
>believe anyone, with or without a radar detector, would have time to react
>to that. I spoke with my friend about detectors and he just kind of
>laughed, because in the speed trap we'd set up, they are pretty useless.
>
>Like I said, though, the detector might save you when you and an officer
>are closing in on each other on a long stretch of road - it's just a matter
>of who has the longer range. If you're going to get a ticket, though,
>you're going to get a ticket.
>
>FWIW, I got pulled over once with my radar detector mounted next to my
>rearview mirror, top down. I think it may have even beeped when the officer
>was talking to me. He didn't say a word about it. I didn't get a ticket
>though, I think because I passed in front of him at an intersection and he
>didn't have a radar lock on me, only a visual.
>
>Anyway, just my observation, experience, and 2 cents! YMMV...
>
>Jason Soza
>Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
>Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
>Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: (email redacted)
>Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:07 am
>Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting
>
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> >
> > KCMurphy,
> > What's the vote?
> > As a current police officer for the Chicago Police
> > Department (for the
> > last ten years and counting) I would vote just to drive the speed
> > limit or
> > only slightly over (3-7). <smile> Personally, I would not put
> > that much
> > faith in a radar detector and I have never seen one that stands up
> > to all it
> > is cracked up to be. (Mostly a bunch of hype in my humble opinion.)
> > Of course I am sure that some are better than others just
> > as some
> > burglar alarms and locks are better than others. However, you
> > know the
> > sayings? "Locks were made for thieves," or "Lock were made to
> > keep honest
> > people honest."
> > Furthermore, I think most officers could careless if your
> > radar
> > detector is in plain view. In fact a feeble attempt to hide
> > something (or
> > anything) is an insult of our intelligence and most likely a sure
> > way to get
> > a ticket.
> > Lastly, save your speed for your next organized local
> > autocross or
> > race event. Otherwise see me now or see later nonetheless
> > ...Beep...beep...beep...beep.beep.beep...GOTCHA! (smile)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ward Bond
> > Police Officer
> > Chicago Police Department
> > Traffic Enforcement
> > Red 1990 Miata
> > 85,000
> > 2nd owner
>
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Mail From: Brad Franks" <bfranks (Brad Franks)

In some places (Pennsylvania for one IIRC) it's line of sight. So long as
the officer who "tagged" you never looses sight of you (thus loosing
positive identification) it's legal.


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From: "Ben Upton" <(email redacted)>


> isn't there some sort of distance law, if you go so far after commiting
the
> crime, before they pull you over, its too late. i know in the city its
like
> two blocks that they can follow you in my city.
> Ben

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Mail From: supermiataman (Ben Upton)

ahh, ok. I guess I'll have too look at the law books for texas then.
thanks
Ben






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>Reply-To: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
>To: "Ben Upton"
><(email redacted)>,<(email redacted)>,<(email redacted)>
>CC: <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:26:49 -0700
>
>In some places (Pennsylvania for one IIRC) it's line of sight. So long as
>the officer who "tagged" you never looses sight of you (thus loosing
>positive identification) it's legal.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ben Upton" <(email redacted)>
>
>
> > isn't there some sort of distance law, if you go so far after commiting
>the
> > crime, before they pull you over, its too late. i know in the city its
>like
> > two blocks that they can follow you in my city.
> > Ben
>
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Mail From: berck (Berck E. Nash)

Been there, done that. My girlfriend's MUCH better at it than I am. If a
traffic cop is spottable, I'll generally spot them. I can tell an unmarked
police car from a granny car in an instant. (Well, okay, so that's easy,
the police car is never traveling the speed limit.) By the way, a good
hint: police-looking cars with bumper stickers are often cops. Look for the
tell-tale DARE sticker or some pithy anti-drug saying. The tell-tale
antennas aren't there so much anymore, but you can spot the blue lights in
the back if you look. The fronts are easy, they've got the cow catchers.

All the same, you're not always going to be able to slow down in time after
you see him. Usually you can watch for brake lights, but around a curve or
over a hill this doesn't always help.

A radar detector also will tell you if a cop is actually trying to catch
speeders. Lots of times they're out doing more worthy things.

After doing it your way and getting a few too many tickets, not to mention
getting tired of having to be obsessed about worrying if there was a cop
around the corner, if my cop-sense was going haywire for real or just
because i was being paranoids... i just decided I wanted some real evidence
to assist in decision making:)

Kat Bryce wrote:
> I kinda hesitated responding to a post that was obviously part of a
> private post... so Berk... I apologize. But, I feel I need to
> comment here and needed your response to make my point.
>
> I have been driving over the speed limit, and aggressively for
> decades now. Yet, I have never felt the need for a radar detector,
> nor do I ever intend to have one. YET, I have NEVER been cited with a
> moving violation!
>
> How, you may ask?.... My secret, I drive with full awareness. I am
> fully aware of the road and the traffic surrounding me. I HAVE been
> pulled over for speeding twice and, both times given a warning. But,
> in one case the cop said, and I quote "I know you saw me, why didn't
> you slow down?" I have used this advise wisely. I'm sure this
> doesn't work all the time, nor in all areas but it's kept this girl
> out of many a traffic school.
>
> Further, If you are indeed driving with the road ahead in mind you
> will just 'Know' when to slow down. The second part to this is the
> action. When you get a 'knowing' feeling you can not ignore it! My
> husband has finally started listening to my 'knowing after he has
> seen how well it works.
>
> Now before y'all dismiss this post as so much 'psycho-babble' I
> 'KNOW' y'all know exactly what I am talking about, especially you
> track folks. But you have been in the habit of ignoring your inner
> feelings. Stop ignoring those feelings and I bet your ticket prices
> will drop, as well as all the other costly road hazards.
>
> Ya'll try it! I bet you will be pleased with the result.
>
> Kat
> Millie <-- '00 Silver SP1
>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> (email redacted) writes:
>
> <Big Snip here... >
>>> In my year and half of having a radar detector, I've lost count of
>>> the number of times I would have gotten a ticket without it. With
>>> it, I've gotten one ticket. While driving rougly the speed of
>>> traffic at 80mph in a 50mph zone, someone passed me in a green
>>> taurus going quite a bit faster than me. As I was being passed, my
>>> laser detector went off. I suspect the cop bounced laser off of
>>> the taurus, got a reading of 87mph and gave me the ticket because I
>>> was in the red convertable. I'm sure that the 100+mph he travelled
>>> at to catch up with me was safe, because that crown victoria
>>> handles so well and can stop so quickly if something goes wrong.

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This is interesting. The officer who gave me my recent ticket took about 5
minutes to catch up with me.

But then, the Atlanta police chase speeders all the time, and if they don't
pull over, they chase them until someone innocent is killed. Over a
speeding ticket.

Brad Franks wrote:
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>
> In some places (Pennsylvania for one IIRC) it's line of sight. So
> long as the officer who "tagged" you never looses sight of you (thus
> loosing positive identification) it's legal.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Upton" <(email redacted)>
>
>
>> isn't there some sort of distance law, if you go so far after
>> commiting the crime, before they pull you over, its too late. i
>> know in the city its like two blocks that they can follow you in my
>> city.
>> Ben
>
>
>
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My sentiments exactly.


In a message dated 4/30/2003 1:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

> DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT and OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS. It REALLY works!




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Berck,
You have now touched on another heated debate at a great many
departments. Pursuit policies vary from agency to agency but the bottom line
is you better be "dead right" before you do. Our superintendent has all but
stated if you do and aren't you will be prosecuted.
Police pursuits are way to risky these days and I don't know of any
officers that would involve themselves in one over a speeding ticket. It is
simply way to risky and you certainly have to weigh the police purpose and in
most cases it is simply not worth it.
We are currently under fire as a department for one ourselves
resulting in the death of a pregnant woman. The officers (one of which was a
supervisor) was pursuing a purse snatcher/theft. (Go to Chicago Sun-Times
and check archives)


Ward



In a message dated 4/30/2003 4:25:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

> Subj: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting
> Date: 4/30/2003 4:25:00 PM Central Daylight Time
> From: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
> To: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
> CC: <A HREF="mailto:(email redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> charset="Windows-1252"
> This is interesting. The officer who gave me my recent ticket took about 5
> minutes to catch up with me.
>
> But then, the Atlanta police chase speeders all the time, and if they don't
> pull over, they chase them until someone innocent is killed. Over a
> speeding ticket.




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Mail From: tbeavan1 (Terry Beavan)

> I've got a fool-proof method for avoiding tickets....DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT and OBEY ALL
> TRAFFIC LAWS. It REALLY works! Also, staying out of the left lane tends to help as
> well.....
I agree--it may not be "foolproof" but it does work. Some random
thoughts here.... Yes, there are many places where speed limits are set
arbitrarily low, and anyone who says it isn't for revenue generation is
either lying or delusional. There ain't much that can be done about it,
but you can do something more constructive than just whining about it:
letter writing campaigns to congressmen for instance, and avoiding the
worst speed traps like the plague and warning others about 'em. The
towns Waldo and Lautey here in Florida, and that miserable little sack
of sh$$ town in Ohio I read about in Car and Driver but can't remember
the name of come to mind. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their collective
wallets, not just the police but the whole town, and it might get their
attention.) Yes, there are "bad" policemen, and I'm sadly talking
personal experience here, just like there are "bad" doctors, lawyers,
firefighters, computer programmers, etc. But I'd say the majority of
'em are just doing their job, and if you're ever unlucky enough to be in
a situation where you or a loved one needed the services of one, you
might have a slightly different perspective and feel a little different
about whining about having to pay a damned speeding ticket. So, just
pay the ticket, watch yer damned speed at least until you've got room on
your license for racking up more points, and get on with it....
Terry :)

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Very well said Terry.

Ken Cloud

-------Original Message-------

From: Terry Beavan
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 10:31:45 PM
To: A. Martin Smith; (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting

> I've got a fool-proof method for avoiding tickets....DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT
and OBEY ALL
> TRAFFIC LAWS. It REALLY works! Also, staying out of the left lane tends to
help as
> well.....
I agree--it may not be "foolproof" but it does work. Some random
thoughts here.... Yes, there are many places where speed limits are set
arbitrarily low, and anyone who says it isn't for revenue generation is
either lying or delusional. There ain't much that can be done about it,
but you can do something more constructive than just whining about it:
letter writing campaigns to congressmen for instance, and avoiding the
worst speed traps like the plague and warning others about 'em. The
towns Waldo and Lautey here in Florida, and that miserable little sack
of sh$$ town in Ohio I read about in Car and Driver but can't remember
the name of come to mind. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their collective
wallets, not just the police but the whole town, and it might get their
attention.) Yes, there are "bad" policemen, and I'm sadly talking
personal experience here, just like there are "bad" doctors, lawyers,
firefighters, computer programmers, etc. But I'd say the majority of
'em are just doing their job, and if you're ever unlucky enough to be in
a situation where you or a loved one needed the services of one, you
might have a slightly different perspective and feel a little different
about whining about having to pay a damned speeding ticket. So, just
pay the ticket, watch yer damned speed at least until you've got room on
your license for racking up more points, and get on with it....
Terry :)
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Mail From: sean (Sean Fletcher)

Good 'ol Waldo, Florida... SpeedTrap, USA. I /hated/ driving through there
when I was going to school in Gainesville.
-Sean Fletcher
'96M, NW Chicago, IL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Beavan" <(email redacted)>
To: "A. Martin Smith" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting


> > I've got a fool-proof method for avoiding tickets....DRIVE THE SPEED
LIMIT and OBEY ALL
> > TRAFFIC LAWS. It REALLY works! Also, staying out of the left lane
tends to help as
> > well.....
> I agree--it may not be "foolproof" but it does work. Some random
> thoughts here.... Yes, there are many places where speed limits are set
> arbitrarily low, and anyone who says it isn't for revenue generation is
> either lying or delusional. There ain't much that can be done about it,
> but you can do something more constructive than just whining about it:
> letter writing campaigns to congressmen for instance, and avoiding the
> worst speed traps like the plague and warning others about 'em. The
> towns Waldo and Lautey here in Florida, and that miserable little sack
> of sh$$ town in Ohio I read about in Car and Driver but can't remember
> the name of come to mind. Hit 'em where it hurts, in their collective
> wallets, not just the police but the whole town, and it might get their
> attention.) Yes, there are "bad" policemen, and I'm sadly talking
> personal experience here, just like there are "bad" doctors, lawyers,
> firefighters, computer programmers, etc. But I'd say the majority of
> 'em are just doing their job, and if you're ever unlucky enough to be in
> a situation where you or a loved one needed the services of one, you
> might have a slightly different perspective and feel a little different
> about whining about having to pay a damned speeding ticket. So, just
> pay the ticket, watch yer damned speed at least until you've got room on
> your license for racking up more points, and get on with it....
> Terry :)
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

I know that feeling!!! It's like .. oh there's a crest.. i think there
might be a cop.. and 95 percent of the time it's false.. but that 5
percent of time when I'm right.. i feel like.. wuh... how did i know
that??

hehe..

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Kat Bryce wrote:

> I kinda hesitated responding to a post that was obviously part of a private
> post... so Berk... I apologize. But, I feel I need to comment here and
> needed your response to make my point.
>
> I have been driving over the speed limit, and aggressively for decades now.
> Yet, I have never felt the need for a radar detector, nor do I ever intend
> to have one. YET, I have NEVER been cited with a moving violation!
>
> How, you may ask?.... My secret, I drive with full awareness. I am fully
> aware of the road and the traffic surrounding me. I HAVE been pulled over
> for speeding twice and, both times given a warning. But, in one case the
> cop said, and I quote "I know you saw me, why didn't you slow down?" I have
> used this advise wisely. I'm sure this doesn't work all the time, nor in
> all areas but it's kept this girl out of many a traffic school.
>
> Further, If you are indeed driving with the road ahead in mind you will just
> 'Know' when to slow down. The second part to this is the action. When you
> get a 'knowing' feeling you can not ignore it! My husband has finally
> started listening to my 'knowing after he has seen how well it works.
>
> Now before y'all dismiss this post as so much 'psycho-babble' I 'KNOW' y'all
> know exactly what I am talking about, especially you track folks. But you
> have been in the habit of ignoring your inner feelings. Stop ignoring those
> feelings and I bet your ticket prices will drop, as well as all the other
> costly road hazards.
>
> Ya'll try it! I bet you will be pleased with the result.
>
> Kat
> Millie <-- '00 Silver SP1
>
> >
> > In a message dated 4/29/2003 1:43:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > (email redacted) writes:
>
> <Big Snip here... >
> > > In my year and half of having a radar detector, I've lost count of the
> > > number of times I would have gotten a ticket without it. With it, I've
> > > gotten one ticket. While driving rougly the speed of traffic at 80mph
> in a
> > > 50mph zone, someone passed me in a green taurus going quite a bit faster
> > > than me. As I was being passed, my laser detector went off. I suspect
> the
> > > cop bounced laser off of the taurus, got a reading of 87mph and gave me
> the
> > > ticket because I was in the red convertable. I'm sure that the 100+mph
> he
> > > travelled at to catch up with me was safe, because that crown victoria
> > > handles so well and can stop so quickly if something goes wrong.
> > >
>
>
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

I'm not personally offending anybody.. but.. sell your miata or make it
track-only if you don't want to drive reasonably fast on public road.

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> My sentiments exactly.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/30/2003 1:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
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>
> > DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT and OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS. It REALLY works!
>
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If you want to speed on the open roads, then you must be prepared to face the consequences, and not whine about it when you get a ticket.

Aram Kim <(email redacted)> wrote:I'm not personally offending anybody.. but.. sell your miata or make it
track-only if you don't want to drive reasonably fast on public road.

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> My sentiments exactly.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/30/2003 1:17:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
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> > DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT and OBEY ALL TRAFFIC LAWS. It REALLY works!
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At 08:14 AM 5/1/03 -0700, you wrote:
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If you want to speed on the open roads, then you must be prepared to face the
consequences, and not whine about it when you get a ticket.


Asking that the speed limits be properly set, which they often are not, is not
whining.
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Unless you ask the right people (STATE and LOCAL LEGISLATURE), it is.

Alex Rodriguez <(email redacted)> wrote:At 08:14 AM 5/1/03 -0700, you wrote:
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If you want to speed on the open roads, then you must be prepared to face the
consequences, and not whine about it when you get a ticket.


Asking that the speed limits be properly set, which they often are not, is not
whining.
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Mail From: nora.hague (Nora Hague)

----- Original Message -----
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Kat Bryce wrote:
>
> > I have been driving over the speed limit, and aggressively for decades
now.
> > Yet, I have never felt the need for a radar detector, nor do I ever
intend
> > to have one. YET, I have NEVER been cited with a moving violation!

Likewise. In fact, not even a parking ticket. Radar detectors are verboten
here in Quebec.

> > How, you may ask?.... My secret, I drive with full awareness. I am
fully
> > aware of the road and the traffic surrounding me. I HAVE been pulled
over
> > for speeding twice and, both times given a warning.

Nope not even piulled over for a warning. Of course it helps that most
traffic in Quebec is aready expeeding the seed limit by at least 10kph and
frequently more than that. By experimentation, the public has determined
that they'll usually tolerate 118kph if there's no other problem like
weaving in and out or tailgating.

> > Further, If you are indeed driving with the road ahead in mind you will
just
> > 'Know' when to slow down. The second part to this is the action. When
you
> > get a 'knowing' feeling you can not ignore it! My husband has finally
> > started listening to my 'knowing after he has seen how well it works.

Yup. It's intuition or experience or observation or something. Whatever it
is, it works.

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Mail From: robert (Robert Argento)

OK. The discussion has come down to those who feel that "law is law and
should be obeyed no matter how silly it may seem" and those who see that
there is sometimes a difference between reality and lawmaking.

Let's make it even more complicated.

In Germany we have the Autobahn. We have, basically NO speed limit on the
autobahn - except the limits set by safety and common sense. These vary from
hour to hour depending upon road conditions. They vary from vehicle to
vehicle and they vary from driver to driver.

When it starts raining or snowing you WILL see traffic slow down to a very
low speed. People do NOT remain in the left lanes and ALWAYS defer to faster
traffic. Vehicles go through yearly safety inspections and the fine for
having a worn tire is more than the cost of a new one. We do not want unsafe
vehicles on the road. There are no police hiding behind bushes nor setting
the pace of traffic. Every driver is expected to THINK and appaently most
do.

Accidents DO happen and people DO die and most certainly due to the higher
speeds. On the other hand the number of accidents and deaths seem to be
lower per mile driven and even considering the population densities than
here in Florida. Why?

Our best USA highways are at least as well built as the German Autobahn. Our
vehicles, at least when they are new, are as certainly as safe.

I am not sure that our social responsibility is a great, considering the
many vehicles which I see on the road which seem not to be maintained. I am
assuming that a poorly maintained vehicle is probably not maintained
safety-wise either.

So wherein lies the difference? Certainly not in how police enforce or do
not enforce the letter of laws arbitrarily set by a myriad of different
local political administrative units.


Robban



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> [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf Of A. Martin Smith
> Sent: den 1 maj 2003 11:34
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> Unless you ask the right people (STATE and LOCAL LEGISLATURE), it is.
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>
> If you want to speed on the open roads, then you must be
> prepared to face the consequences, and not whine about it
> when you get a ticket.
>
>
> Asking that the speed limits be properly set, which they
> often are not, is not
> whining.
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Mail From: jahamilton2 (Jack Hamilton)

I use a product called "The Screamer" that was designed for motorcycle use.
Add it to your detector, I guarantee you'll hear it.

motorcycleradar.com/radar_screamer.htm

Jack Hamilton & Shoryu ['96 Montego Blue & Tan]
"Shoryu" = "Sea Blue Dragon"
MiataMania - Houston, TX

Murph wrote:
>> the difference is like chalk
>> and cheese: far better detection with far fewer falses.
>
>
> How profound :-)
>
> Question... where is a good place to mount a detector in the miata?
> In my Camry, I have it behind the mirror so that its nice and high,
> yet the display is blocked from officer's view, and I go by sound to
> know whats up. However with the top down I may not hear the bee bee
> bee bee.
>
> What's the vote?
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> Miataless Murph
> for 3 more days!!!!
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Mail From: nospam (M i c C u l l e n)

On Thu, 1 May 2003 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT), Aram Kim <(email redacted)>
wrote:

[snips]

> I'm not personally offending anybody.. but.. sell your miata or make it
> track-only if you don't want to drive reasonably fast on public road.

That's just stupid. There's nothing wrong with driving within the laws
on the road AND driving it on the track.
--

cheers, Mic (Reply address works...)

Worrying is like a rocking chair; it gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere.

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Mail From: simonsen (simonsen)

<<<<From:
Murph <(email redacted)>
Subject: Re: [Miata] radar detector mounting

> the difference is like chalk
> and cheese: far better detection with far fewer falses.

How profound :-)

>>>>>>Question... where is a good place to mount a detector in the
miata? In my
Camry, I have it behind the mirror so that its nice and high, yet the
display
is blocked from officer's view, and I go by sound to know whats up.
However
with the top down I may not hear the bee bee bee bee. >>>>>>>>>>>
_____________________________________________________________

I've always mounted mine using the suction cups, as low as
possible
and in that spot between where the wipers park. That way it doesn't
show
to anybody behind you, and if you get stopped, and you're halfway
alert, you can take it down and shove it under the seat before you
actually come to
a stop. The things really piss off the State Troopers here in Maine- to
the point
where they will often try to run the serial # against a lost/stolen
database,
which can take hours. Or they'll just take it, and tell you that you
can come to
the barracks next day to get it, after serial number check.
You have to be really careful that they don't see you shoving
anything
below the seats, for obvious reasons..

-Bill,

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Mail From: toshdesai (Tosh Desai)

> The things really piss off the State Troopers here in Maine- to
> the point
> where they will often try to run the serial # against a lost/stolen
> database,
> which can take hours. Or they'll just take it, and tell you that you
> can come to
> the barracks next day to get it, after serial number check.

That is unreasonable seizures. On what pretext do they have to say that yours
is stolen? Why dont' they run the serial numbers on the bills in your wallet
too?

I'd never give it up. They can write the number down if they want, but their
not taking it. Their not illegal to own in Maine.

-Tosh Desai

'85 Rx-7 GSL, MARRS Spec Rx-7 #52
1995 Miata PEP, Spec Miata #52
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