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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Hey, guys.

I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody thought
it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.




Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical parts
because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.

Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.

I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)

Aram

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Mail From: treynolds (Tom Reynolds)

When I used to race DSMs we talked about anti-lag systems a lot.
Basically we could not figure out anything simple enough to engineer in
a garage with our skills. About the closest I ever came to one was an
MSD DIS-2 with the second rev limiter hooked up to my clutch switch.
When the clutch was engaged it would default to a secondary rev limiter
(5000rpm) which would hold me steady at 3psi during a shift giving
instant boost once I added load. Add to that some left foot braking and
you can reduce it a lot, but nothing as nifty as the rally cars have.



Tom Reynolds
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-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
Of Aram Kim
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:39 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC

Hey, guys.

I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody
thought
it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.




Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical
parts
because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.

Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of
exhuast
energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be
practical
on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.

I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)

Aram

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Mail From: tblough (Tom Blough)

They already have these - they are called jet engines.

The turbine on your turbo is sized to produce power based on the volume of
exhaust gasses your engine produces. In order to eliminate lag, you need to
spin the turbine up to operating speed. In order to do that, you need a
volume of gas comparable to the 4 cylinder air pump already located in your
car.


Tom Blough &
"Molly" Red '99 LP
Avon, CT

"Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR






-----Original Message-----
From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:39 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC


Hey, guys.

I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody thought
it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.




Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical parts
because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.

Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.

I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)

Aram

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Mail From: Brad Franks" <bfranks (Brad Franks)

Aram -

Many of the Pro rally cars use this, the most widely known is Hyundai. They
use a cast iron log type exhaust collector (ALA the FM, GReddy and AVO)
before the turbo and have a smallish fuel injector that is pulse width
modulated according to the current boost level. They often idle at ~5 psi of
boost. As they open the throttle and the engine generates exhaust to drive
the turbo the fuel injector cuts out.

This works well for engines that get rebuilt often (like after every race
for the factory teams) but some things to consider are

1. Where does the boost go when the throttle plate is closed (You DO have a
BOV that vents to atmosphere right?)

2. What happens to the air when it goes through the reduced pressure
differential when you open the throttle plate? This is a rhetorical question
actually, basic physics teaches us that as compressed air radically looses
pressure it gets extremely cold. There are a number of people who had
problems with a certian supercharger icing their throttle bodies at idle...
Possibly cured by routing engine coolant around the TB to keep it warm?

3. What will the wear factor on the turbo be? How will you keep it cool when
idling at a stop light with low water and oil pressure (both mechanically
driven pumps on a stock Miata)?

Brad

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
>
> Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
> energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
> on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.

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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Yes, my idea is precisely this. Jet engines hooked up in parallel to a
four banger. I thought about the air pump thing, but it's really hard to
push that much air.. a secondary combustion chamber would do the trick.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:

> They already have these - they are called jet engines.
>
> The turbine on your turbo is sized to produce power based on the volume of
> exhaust gasses your engine produces. In order to eliminate lag, you need to
> spin the turbine up to operating speed. In order to do that, you need a
> volume of gas comparable to the 4 cylinder air pump already located in your
> car.
>
>
> Tom Blough &
> "Molly" Red '99 LP
> Avon, CT
>
> "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:39 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
>
>
> Hey, guys.
>
> I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody thought
> it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
> with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.
>
>
>
>
> Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical parts
> because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.
>
> Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
> energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
> on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.
>
> I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
>
> Aram
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

> 1. Where does the boost go when the throttle plate is closed (You DO have a
> BOV that vents to atmosphere right?)

Well, in my design, there are two throttle plates. The air can go two
paths: either to the engine or to a "secondary combustion chamber." The
throttle plate leading up to the secondary chamber can in fact be a
blowoff valve. It would have to be heavy duty (i'm thinking hks race
version). Neither of these air paths are opened at the same time.

>
> 2. What happens to the air when it goes through the reduced pressure
> differential when you open the throttle plate? This is a rhetorical question
> actually, basic physics teaches us that as compressed air radically looses
> pressure it gets extremely cold. There are a number of people who had
> problems with a certian supercharger icing their throttle bodies at idle...
> Possibly cured by routing engine coolant around the TB to keep it warm?
>

Hmm.... I'm not too sure. I haven't heard this about other anti-lag
systems.


> 3. What will the wear factor on the turbo be? How will you keep it cool when
> idling at a stop light with low water and oil pressure (both mechanically
> driven pumps on a stock Miata)?
>

The wear factor on the turbo will definitely be there. But it wouldn't be
as bad as the "bang-bang" anti-lag system because the secondary combustion
is happening in a controlled manner. There shouldn't be a spark plug for
the secondary chamber, it would more likely be a glow plug or something
like that.


> Brad
>

Thanks

Aram

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
> >
> > Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> > that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
> > energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> > hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
> > on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> > system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.
>
>
>
>

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Mail From: jerry.houston (Jerry Houston)

My only thought is that sending yourself a letter with an idea doesn't mean
squat, regardless of who may have suggested it. Applying for a patent does.
I doubt that anyone has ever been denied a patent because someone else
mailed himself a letter.

Best of luck with your idea!

From: "Aram Kim" <(email redacted)>
Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
>
> I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody thought
> it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
> with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.
>...
> I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)

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Mail From: Cassel (Werner Cassel)

On 16 Apr 03, at 11:38, Aram Kim wrote:

> Hey, guys.
>
> I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody
> thought it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a
> stamped mail with a letter stating the idea as per some people's
> advice.
>
>
>
>
> Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical
> parts because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the
> turbine.
>
> Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion
> chamber that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source
> of exhuast energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed?
> This way, hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even
> be practical on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras
> that can use a system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling
> turbo cars out there.
>
> I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
...............
At least for application in a Miata, there should be no market for
your product. All Turbo systems that I have heard and read about
are said to have virtually no lag and no problems whatsoever with
throttle response.

FWIW, YMMV

Werner


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Mail From: tblough (Tom Blough)

A secondary combustion chamber REQUIRES something to push the air - you need
14 parts of air for every part of gas in your combustion chamber. That's
why jet engines have compressors at the front end. Scram jets don't have
compressors, but then they need something else to accelerate them up to
3,000 mph.

I guess you could use a rocket motor - something with it's own oxidizer.
Maybe a nitrous/gas combustor, or carry a tank of LOX in the trunk.


Tom Blough &
"Molly" Red '99 LP
Avon, CT

"Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR




-----Original Message-----
From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:06 PM
To: Tom Blough
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC


Yes, my idea is precisely this. Jet engines hooked up in parallel to a
four banger. I thought about the air pump thing, but it's really hard to
push that much air.. a secondary combustion chamber would do the trick.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:

> They already have these - they are called jet engines.
>
> The turbine on your turbo is sized to produce power based on the volume of
> exhaust gasses your engine produces. In order to eliminate lag, you need
to
> spin the turbine up to operating speed. In order to do that, you need a
> volume of gas comparable to the 4 cylinder air pump already located in
your
> car.
>
>
> Tom Blough &
> "Molly" Red '99 LP
> Avon, CT
>
> "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:39 AM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
>
>
> Hey, guys.
>
> I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody thought
> it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
> with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.
>
>
>
>
> Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical parts
> because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.
>
> Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
> energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
> on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.
>
> I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
>
> Aram
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

I knew that this would not be needed for most applications.. I imagine
mostly for cars that make big power.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Werner Cassel wrote:

> On 16 Apr 03, at 11:38, Aram Kim wrote:
>
> > Hey, guys.
> >
> > I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody
> > thought it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a
> > stamped mail with a letter stating the idea as per some people's
> > advice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> > impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical
> > parts because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the
> > turbine.
> >
> > Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion
> > chamber that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source
> > of exhuast energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed?
> > This way, hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even
> > be practical on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras
> > that can use a system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling
> > turbo cars out there.
> >
> > I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
> ...............
> At least for application in a Miata, there should be no market for
> your product. All Turbo systems that I have heard and read about
> are said to have virtually no lag and no problems whatsoever with
> throttle response.
>
> FWIW, YMMV
>
> Werner
>
>
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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Did you look at the diagram? Why wouldn't turbo push the air into the
secondary chamber when blow off valve goes off? then i'd just have to mix
fuel and ignite... maybe I'm missing something.

Aram

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:

> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> A secondary combustion chamber REQUIRES something to push the air - you need
> 14 parts of air for every part of gas in your combustion chamber. That's
> why jet engines have compressors at the front end. Scram jets don't have
> compressors, but then they need something else to accelerate them up to
> 3,000 mph.
>
> I guess you could use a rocket motor - something with it's own oxidizer.
> Maybe a nitrous/gas combustor, or carry a tank of LOX in the trunk.
>
>
> Tom Blough &
> "Molly" Red '99 LP
> Avon, CT
>
> "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> To: Tom Blough
> Cc: (email redacted)
> Subject: RE: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
>
>
> Yes, my idea is precisely this. Jet engines hooked up in parallel to a
> four banger. I thought about the air pump thing, but it's really hard to
> push that much air.. a secondary combustion chamber would do the trick.
>
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:
>
> > They already have these - they are called jet engines.
> >
> > The turbine on your turbo is sized to produce power based on the volume of
> > exhaust gasses your engine produces. In order to eliminate lag, you need
> to
> > spin the turbine up to operating speed. In order to do that, you need a
> > volume of gas comparable to the 4 cylinder air pump already located in
> your
> > car.
> >
> >
> > Tom Blough &
> > "Molly" Red '99 LP
> > Avon, CT
> >
> > "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> > FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:39 AM
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
> >
> >
> > Hey, guys.
> >
> > I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody thought
> > it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
> > with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> > impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical parts
> > because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.
> >
> > Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> > that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of exhuast
> > energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> > hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be practical
> > on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> > system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.
> >
> > I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
> >
> > Aram
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: tblough (Tom Blough)

Here's a bunch of links for your project:

home.cdsnet.net/~purple/projects/turbine/top.htm



Tom Blough &
"Molly" Red '99 LP
Avon, CT

"Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR




-----Original Message-----
From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:35 AM
To: Tom Blough
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: RE: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC


Did you look at the diagram? Why wouldn't turbo push the air into the
secondary chamber when blow off valve goes off? then i'd just have to mix
fuel and ignite... maybe I'm missing something.

Aram

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:

> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> A secondary combustion chamber REQUIRES something to push the air - you
need
> 14 parts of air for every part of gas in your combustion chamber. That's
> why jet engines have compressors at the front end. Scram jets don't have
> compressors, but then they need something else to accelerate them up to
> 3,000 mph.
>
> I guess you could use a rocket motor - something with it's own oxidizer.
> Maybe a nitrous/gas combustor, or carry a tank of LOX in the trunk.
>
>
> Tom Blough &
> "Molly" Red '99 LP
> Avon, CT
>
> "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> To: Tom Blough
> Cc: (email redacted)
> Subject: RE: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
>
>
> Yes, my idea is precisely this. Jet engines hooked up in parallel to a
> four banger. I thought about the air pump thing, but it's really hard to
> push that much air.. a secondary combustion chamber would do the trick.
>
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:
>
> > They already have these - they are called jet engines.
> >
> > The turbine on your turbo is sized to produce power based on the volume
of
> > exhaust gasses your engine produces. In order to eliminate lag, you
need
> to
> > spin the turbine up to operating speed. In order to do that, you need a
> > volume of gas comparable to the 4 cylinder air pump already located in
> your
> > car.
> >
> >
> > Tom Blough &
> > "Molly" Red '99 LP
> > Avon, CT
> >
> > "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> > FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:39 AM
> > To: (email redacted)
> > Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
> >
> >
> > Hey, guys.
> >
> > I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody
thought
> > it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
> > with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> > impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical
parts
> > because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.
> >
> > Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> > that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of
exhuast
> > energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> > hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be
practical
> > on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> > system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.
> >
> > I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
> >
> > Aram
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: tofoo (Aram Kim)

Thanks tom.

I've looked at these things before though.

Aram

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:

> Here's a bunch of links for your project:
>
> home.cdsnet.net/~purple/projects/turbine/top.htm
>
>
>
> Tom Blough &
> "Molly" Red '99 LP
> Avon, CT
>
> "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:35 AM
> To: Tom Blough
> Cc: (email redacted)
> Subject: RE: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
>
>
> Did you look at the diagram? Why wouldn't turbo push the air into the
> secondary chamber when blow off valve goes off? then i'd just have to mix
> fuel and ignite... maybe I'm missing something.
>
> Aram
>
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:
>
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > A secondary combustion chamber REQUIRES something to push the air - you
> need
> > 14 parts of air for every part of gas in your combustion chamber. That's
> > why jet engines have compressors at the front end. Scram jets don't have
> > compressors, but then they need something else to accelerate them up to
> > 3,000 mph.
> >
> > I guess you could use a rocket motor - something with it's own oxidizer.
> > Maybe a nitrous/gas combustor, or carry a tank of LOX in the trunk.
> >
> >
> > Tom Blough &
> > "Molly" Red '99 LP
> > Avon, CT
> >
> > "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> > FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:06 PM
> > To: Tom Blough
> > Cc: (email redacted)
> > Subject: RE: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
> >
> >
> > Yes, my idea is precisely this. Jet engines hooked up in parallel to a
> > four banger. I thought about the air pump thing, but it's really hard to
> > push that much air.. a secondary combustion chamber would do the trick.
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Tom Blough wrote:
> >
> > > They already have these - they are called jet engines.
> > >
> > > The turbine on your turbo is sized to produce power based on the volume
> of
> > > exhaust gasses your engine produces. In order to eliminate lag, you
> need
> > to
> > > spin the turbine up to operating speed. In order to do that, you need a
> > > volume of gas comparable to the 4 cylinder air pump already located in
> > your
> > > car.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom Blough &
> > > "Molly" Red '99 LP
> > > Avon, CT
> > >
> > > "Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
> > > FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Aram Kim [mailto:(email redacted)]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:39 AM
> > > To: (email redacted)
> > > Subject: [Miata] [miata]my own antilag system NMC
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey, guys.
> > >
> > > I have pursued this idea for a while and decided to see if anybody
> thought
> > > it was feasible. By the way, I've already gotten my self a stamped mail
> > > with a letter stating the idea as per some people's advice.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyways... my idea is this. Anti lag systems are really cool but
> > > impractical in most cases. It is too destructive on the mechanical
> parts
> > > because the combustion takes in the exhaust manifold and the turbine.
> > >
> > > Here's my thought, what if I were to make a secondary combustion chamber
> > > that's made to withstand the combustion and use that as source of
> exhuast
> > > energy while the throttle plate to the engine is closed? This way,
> > > hopefully, the anti lag system works smoothly and could even be
> practical
> > > on big turbo cars. I'm thinking about mega hp supras that can use a
> > > system like this as well as other 5k+ rpm spooling turbo cars out there.
> > >
> > > I will await your thoughts, comments, and partnerships. :)
> > >
> > > Aram
> > >
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