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Mail From: bfranks (Brad Franks)

Larry,

Ahhh yes, Measure 23. Potentially devestating to the economy of a
state who already has budget issues trying to pay unemployment
beneifts in the state with the highest unemployment rates. Plus being
the second largest technology region in the country (next to
California's Silicone Valley) hardest hit by the economic downfall so
there is less taxable corporate income to help.

Remember though that this is a voter initiated refferendum (not
legislatively initiated). Any asshole who can raise 10000 signatures
can submit a refferendum for voting. The plan is based on the Oregon
Health Plan, a pre-existing socialized health care plan (whos budget
is also busted) for people living below the poverty level (~$22,000 a
year IIRC).

Doesn't do a lot of good for the unemployed because enrollment
happens only if your current employer doesn't offer health care
(there goes 11% of the voters). It only covers *you*, not your
dependants which means you either pay for health care for your kids
or put them to work to pay off their state funded high school sports
injuries that they wouldn't have sustained if the damned state had
opted for supporting the arts and sciences instead.

To make matters worse it is funded by supplimental income tax and
supplimental corporate taxation. In the state with the highest income
tax in the country (in the neighborhood of 22% depending on income)
it is unlikely to get voted if it means upping the income tax level
even more (there goes the other 85 percent of the voters). The
remaining 4% of voters who may actually support it are the idiots who
signed the petition to begin with or didn't bother understanding what
it is before they approved it.

People in this state are far too intelligent, broke or both to vote
for it. At least I hope so, otherwise I may have to move out of the
state. If anyone else is interested in seeing the fucking left wing
liberals at work take a gander at the full text...

healthcareforalloregon.org/initiative.htm

It's a damned fine concept but needs a whole lot more work before
it's worthy. Fortunately our states elected officials still have a
yay/nay vote on final acceptance of voted refferendums. Unless it's
blatantly stupid (like this) it will be approved, however we have had
instances in the past where approved refferendums have been vetoed by
the governor.

Brad

---- Original Message ----
From: (email redacted)
To: (email redacted), (email redacted), (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:37:34 -0400

>The one that will create mandatory socialized medicine.
>
>Larry
>
>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
>LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
>Masters Miata
>RAGS 074
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
>To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>;
><(email redacted)>;
><(email redacted)>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
>
>
>> Funny, they don't seem to be making the local news (seriously!).
>> Which refferendums are you referring to?
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >---- Original Message ----
>> >From: (email redacted)
>> >To: (email redacted), (email redacted),
>> >(email redacted)
>> >Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
>> >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:29:29 -0400
>> >
>> >>Hey Brad
>> >>
>> >>According to the national news you guys aren't tops on the list
>> >lately
>> >>either. Some of your referendum ideas we hear about sound like a
>> >good
>> >>opportunity to bankrupt a state.
>> >>JMHO
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Larry
>> >>
>> >>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>> >>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
>Turbo
>> >+
>> >>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>> >>
>> >>LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
>> >>Masters Miata
>> >>RAGS 074
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
>> >>To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:54 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Funny, up here in Oregon and Washington we frequently say the
>same
>> >>> thing about the Californians... You're welcome to visit but
>please
>> >>> don't stay.
>> >>>
>> >>> In fact the Oregon border sign on I-5 North from California had
>> >that
>> >>> very message on it for several years. Quite franky the rest of
>the
>> >>> country is tired of the California legislature screwing things
>up
>> >for
>> >>> the rest of us. Do me a favor - I'll minimize my visiting time
>to
>> >>> California if you quit voting for dimwitted government
>officials.
>> >>>
>> >>> Brad
>> >>>
>> >>> >---- Original Message ----
>> >>> >From: (email redacted)
>> >>>
>> >>> >>And we're glad you've chosen to stay home. Kindly tell all
>your
>> >>> >friends
>> >>> >>who've moved here to come back home, please. :b
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>Scot - lifelong "Kalifornian"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Miata mailing list
>> >>> (email redacted)
>> >>> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>
>

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the highest rate of
proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I don't remember
the exact number but it was fairly staggering.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)


> Larry,
>
> Ahhh yes, Measure 23. Potentially devestating to the economy of a
> state who already has budget issues trying to pay unemployment
> beneifts in the state with the highest unemployment rates. Plus being
> the second largest technology region in the country (next to
> California's Silicone Valley) hardest hit by the economic downfall so
> there is less taxable corporate income to help.
>
> Remember though that this is a voter initiated refferendum (not
> legislatively initiated). Any asshole who can raise 10000 signatures
> can submit a refferendum for voting. The plan is based on the Oregon
> Health Plan, a pre-existing socialized health care plan (whos budget
> is also busted) for people living below the poverty level (~$22,000 a
> year IIRC).
>
> Doesn't do a lot of good for the unemployed because enrollment
> happens only if your current employer doesn't offer health care
> (there goes 11% of the voters). It only covers *you*, not your
> dependants which means you either pay for health care for your kids
> or put them to work to pay off their state funded high school sports
> injuries that they wouldn't have sustained if the damned state had
> opted for supporting the arts and sciences instead.
>
> To make matters worse it is funded by supplimental income tax and
> supplimental corporate taxation. In the state with the highest income
> tax in the country (in the neighborhood of 22% depending on income)
> it is unlikely to get voted if it means upping the income tax level
> even more (there goes the other 85 percent of the voters). The
> remaining 4% of voters who may actually support it are the idiots who
> signed the petition to begin with or didn't bother understanding what
> it is before they approved it.
>
> People in this state are far too intelligent, broke or both to vote
> for it. At least I hope so, otherwise I may have to move out of the
> state. If anyone else is interested in seeing the fucking left wing
> liberals at work take a gander at the full text...
>
> healthcareforalloregon.org/initiative.htm
>
> It's a damned fine concept but needs a whole lot more work before
> it's worthy. Fortunately our states elected officials still have a
> yay/nay vote on final acceptance of voted refferendums. Unless it's
> blatantly stupid (like this) it will be approved, however we have had
> instances in the past where approved refferendums have been vetoed by
> the governor.
>
> Brad
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: (email redacted)
> To: (email redacted), (email redacted), (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:37:34 -0400
>
> >The one that will create mandatory socialized medicine.
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> >Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> >
> >LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> >Masters Miata
> >RAGS 074
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
> >To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>;
> ><(email redacted)>;
> ><(email redacted)>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:37 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
> >
> >
> >> Funny, they don't seem to be making the local news (seriously!).
> >> Which refferendums are you referring to?
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >---- Original Message ----
> >> >From: (email redacted)
> >> >To: (email redacted), (email redacted),
> >> >(email redacted)
> >> >Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
> >> >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:29:29 -0400
> >> >
> >> >>Hey Brad
> >> >>
> >> >>According to the national news you guys aren't tops on the list
> >> >lately
> >> >>either. Some of your referendum ideas we hear about sound like a
> >> >good
> >> >>opportunity to bankrupt a state.
> >> >>JMHO
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Larry
> >> >>
> >> >>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >> >>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> >Turbo
> >> >+
> >> >>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> >> >>
> >> >>LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> >> >>Masters Miata
> >> >>RAGS 074
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
> >> >>To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:54 PM
> >> >>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Funny, up here in Oregon and Washington we frequently say the
> >same
> >> >>> thing about the Californians... You're welcome to visit but
> >please
> >> >>> don't stay.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In fact the Oregon border sign on I-5 North from California had
> >> >that
> >> >>> very message on it for several years. Quite franky the rest of
> >the
> >> >>> country is tired of the California legislature screwing things
> >up
> >> >for
> >> >>> the rest of us. Do me a favor - I'll minimize my visiting time
> >to
> >> >>> California if you quit voting for dimwitted government
> >officials.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Brad
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >---- Original Message ----
> >> >>> >From: (email redacted)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>And we're glad you've chosen to stay home. Kindly tell all
> >your
> >> >>> >friends
> >> >>> >>who've moved here to come back home, please. :b
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>Scot - lifelong "Kalifornian"
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Miata mailing list
> >> >>> (email redacted)
> >> >>> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Mail From: bfranks (Brad Franks)

I hadn't heard that before but it's beleivable. There's consistently
between 30 to 60 refferendums on the ballot each election cycle. The
majority of them are positive, well written and beneficial to a vast
majority of citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if we were also on the
top 10 leist of highest percentage of voter turn out, though I
haven't heard that statistic either.

Brad

---- Original Message ----
From: (email redacted)

>The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the highest
>rate of
>proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I don't
>remember
>the exact number but it was fairly staggering.

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Mail From: nramsey ((email redacted))

Well every year there is the required "lets start a
state sales tax" and "let use pump our own gas"
measures on the ballot...so that helps keep the number
high as well :)

> I hadn't heard that before but it's beleivable. There's consistently
> between 30 to 60 refferendums on the ballot each election cycle. The
> majority of them are positive, well written and beneficial to a vast
> majority of citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if we were also on the
> top 10 leist of highest percentage of voter turn out, though I
> haven't heard that statistic either.
>
> Brad
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: (email redacted)
>
> >The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the highest
> >rate of
> >proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I don't
> >remember
> >the exact number but it was fairly staggering.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

The first one is just stupid. The second one is stupid to not have. Where
I lived in NY it was illegal to pump your own gas, HUH, what's up with
that. Go 10 miles to the next county and it was allowed.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: <(email redacted)>
To: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)


> Well every year there is the required "lets start a
> state sales tax" and "let use pump our own gas"
> measures on the ballot...so that helps keep the number
> high as well :)
>
> > I hadn't heard that before but it's beleivable. There's consistently
> > between 30 to 60 refferendums on the ballot each election cycle. The
> > majority of them are positive, well written and beneficial to a vast
> > majority of citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if we were also on the
> > top 10 leist of highest percentage of voter turn out, though I
> > haven't heard that statistic either.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: (email redacted)
> >
> > >The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the highest
> > >rate of
> > >proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I don't
> > >remember
> > >the exact number but it was fairly staggering.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: bfranks (Brad Franks)

Agreed and agreed. I think the pump your own gas passes because
voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain and
would feel stupid for paying more money at the full serve pump...

;)

Brad

>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: (email redacted)
>To: (email redacted), (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:55:31 -0400
>
>>The first one is just stupid. The second one is stupid to not have.
> Where
>>I lived in NY it was illegal to pump your own gas, HUH, what's up
>with
>>that. Go 10 miles to the next county and it was allowed.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo
>+
>>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>>
>>LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
>>Masters Miata
>>RAGS 074
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <(email redacted)>
>>To: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
>>Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:51 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>>
>>
>>> Well every year there is the required "lets start a
>>> state sales tax" and "let use pump our own gas"
>>> measures on the ballot...so that helps keep the number
>>> high as well :)
>>>
>>> > I hadn't heard that before but it's beleivable. There's
>consistently
>>> > between 30 to 60 refferendums on the ballot each election cycle.
>The
>>> > majority of them are positive, well written and beneficial to a
>vast
>>> > majority of citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if we were also on
>the
>>> > top 10 leist of highest percentage of voter turn out, though I
>>> > haven't heard that statistic either.
>>> >
>>> > Brad
>>> >
>>> > ---- Original Message ----
>>> > From: (email redacted)
>>> >
>>> > >The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the
>highest
>>> > >rate of
>>> > >proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I
>don't
>>> > >remember
>>> > >the exact number but it was fairly staggering.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Miata mailing list
>>> > (email redacted)
>>> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Miata mailing list
>>> (email redacted)
>>> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>
>>
>>

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Mail From: bfranks (Brad Franks)

I should say - "never passes"


>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: (email redacted)
>To: (email redacted), (email redacted), (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:05:15 -0700
>
>>Agreed and agreed. I think the pump your own gas passes because
>>voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain and
>>would feel stupid for paying more money at the full serve pump...
>>
>>;)
>>
>>Brad
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---- Original Message ----
>>>From: (email redacted)
>>>To: (email redacted), (email redacted)
>>>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>>>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:55:31 -0400
>>>
>>>>The first one is just stupid. The second one is stupid to not
>have.
>>> Where
>>>>I lived in NY it was illegal to pump your own gas, HUH, what's up
>>>with
>>>>that. Go 10 miles to the next county and it was allowed.
>>>>
>>>>Larry
>>>>
>>>>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>>>>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
>Turbo
>>>+
>>>>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>>>>
>>>>LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
>>>>Masters Miata
>>>>RAGS 074
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <(email redacted)>
>>>>To: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
>>>>Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:51 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well every year there is the required "lets start a
>>>>> state sales tax" and "let use pump our own gas"
>>>>> measures on the ballot...so that helps keep the number
>>>>> high as well :)
>>>>>
>>>>> > I hadn't heard that before but it's beleivable. There's
>>>consistently
>>>>> > between 30 to 60 refferendums on the ballot each election
>cycle.
>>>The
>>>>> > majority of them are positive, well written and beneficial to
>a
>>>vast
>>>>> > majority of citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if we were also
>on
>>>the
>>>>> > top 10 leist of highest percentage of voter turn out, though I
>>>>> > haven't heard that statistic either.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Brad
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---- Original Message ----
>>>>> > From: (email redacted)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the
>>>highest
>>>>> > >rate of
>>>>> > >proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I
>>>don't
>>>>> > >remember
>>>>> > >the exact number but it was fairly staggering.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Miata mailing list
>>>>> > (email redacted)
>>>>> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Miata mailing list
>>>>> (email redacted)
>>>>> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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Mail From: miata (Jeff Gehrig)

I don't think I've seen a "full service" station here for over twenty years!
A few will still pump fuel but none check the oil or clean the 'screen like
they did when I was a kid. They're nearly all self-serve.

Jeff Gehrig
MX-5 Club of NSW #169
AUSTRALIA
mx5.com.au/nsw/




----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>;
<(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)


I should say - "never passes"


>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: (email redacted)
>To: (email redacted), (email redacted), (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:05:15 -0700
>
>>Agreed and agreed. I think the pump your own gas passes because
>>voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain and
>>would feel stupid for paying more money at the full serve pump...
>>
>>;)
>>
>>Brad
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---- Original Message ----
>>>From: (email redacted)
>>>To: (email redacted), (email redacted)
>>>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>>>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:55:31 -0400
>>>
>>>>The first one is just stupid. The second one is stupid to not
>have.
>>> Where
>>>>I lived in NY it was illegal to pump your own gas, HUH, what's up
>>>with
>>>>that. Go 10 miles to the next county and it was allowed.
>>>>
>>>>Larry
>>>>
>>>>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>>>>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
>Turbo
>>>+
>>>>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>>>>
>>>>LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
>>>>Masters Miata
>>>>RAGS 074
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <(email redacted)>
>>>>To: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>
>>>>Cc: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:51 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well every year there is the required "lets start a
>>>>> state sales tax" and "let use pump our own gas"
>>>>> measures on the ballot...so that helps keep the number
>>>>> high as well :)
>>>>>
>>>>> > I hadn't heard that before but it's beleivable. There's
>>>consistently
>>>>> > between 30 to 60 refferendums on the ballot each election
>cycle.
>>>The
>>>>> > majority of them are positive, well written and beneficial to
>a
>>>vast
>>>>> > majority of citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if we were also
>on
>>>the
>>>>> > top 10 leist of highest percentage of voter turn out, though I
>>>>> > haven't heard that statistic either.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Brad
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---- Original Message ----
>>>>> > From: (email redacted)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >The other interesting thing I heard was that Oregon has the
>>>highest
>>>>> > >rate of
>>>>> > >proposing and passing voter referendums in the country. I
>>>don't
>>>>> > >remember
>>>>> > >the exact number but it was fairly staggering.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Miata mailing list
>>>>> > (email redacted)
>>>>> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Miata mailing list
>>>>> (email redacted)
>>>>> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Miata mailing list
>>(email redacted)
>>realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>


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Mail From: Jon Etkins" <eccles (Jon Etkins)

On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:05:15 -0700, Brad Franks wrote:

>I think the pump your own gas passes because
>voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain

Don't they have canopies on the forecourt up there? ;)

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Nah, it rains so much they'd probably collapse under the load. :)

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Etkins" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)


> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:05:15 -0700, Brad Franks wrote:
>
> >I think the pump your own gas passes because
> >voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain
>
> Don't they have canopies on the forecourt up there? ;)
>

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Mail From: Jon Etkins" <eccles (Jon Etkins)

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:28:02 +1000, Jeff Gehrig wrote:

>I don't think I've seen a "full service" station here for over twenty years!
>A few will still pump fuel but none check the oil or clean the 'screen like
>they did when I was a kid. They're nearly all self-serve.

Yeah, when I was in college in the late 70's, I worked part-time on the
weekends as a market research interviewer. I distinctly remember one
survey that gauged public attitude towards the possible introduction of
self-serve stations. One of the selling points was that self-serve would
save you a couple of cents per litre. Heh, that didn't last long once they
became prevalent.

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Mail From: bfranks (Brad Franks)

Sure do have covers, but they might get their LLBean pants and Eddie
Bauer pants dirty and wet brushing against the side of their cars.

;)

Brad
>
>
>---- Original Message ----
>From: (email redacted)
>To: (email redacted), (email redacted), (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: [Miata] Exhaust Question (NMC)
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:54:04 -0500
>
>>On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:05:15 -0700, Brad Franks wrote:
>>
>>>I think the pump your own gas passes because
>>>voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain
>>
>>Don't they have canopies on the forecourt up there? ;)
>>
>>

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When, on the 12 days a year they're not wearing full SCUBA gear? :p

Keith Barton
99 LP - DelVal
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From: "Brad Franks" <(email redacted)>


> Sure do have covers, but they might get their LLBean pants and Eddie
> Bauer pants dirty and wet brushing against the side of their cars.
>
> ;)
>
> Brad
> >
> >
> >>On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:05:15 -0700, Brad Franks wrote:
> >>
> >>>I think the pump your own gas passes because
> >>>voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain
> >>
> >>Don't they have canopies on the forecourt up there? ;)
> >>
> >>
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Mail From: toshdesai (Tosh Desai)

> >
> >>Agreed and agreed. I think the pump your own gas passes because
> >>voters don't feel like getting out of their cars in the rain and
> >>would feel stupid for paying more money at the full serve pump...
> >>

Funny thing is, that in NJ it's illegal to pump your own gas, and it's cheaper
than most other states. It really sucks to stay warm in the car, and pay less
money.

-Tosh Desai

'85 Rx-7 GSL, MARRS Spec Rx-7 #52
1995 Miata...... soon to be SM #52
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Mail From: PaulW (Paul Williamson)

At 10/15/2002 06:28 PM, Jeff Gehrig wrote:
>I don't think I've seen a "full service" station here for over twenty years!
>A few will still pump fuel but none check the oil or clean the 'screen like
>they did when I was a kid. They're nearly all self-serve.

And they're not "Service Stations" anymore, but gas stations and/or
convenience stores that just happen to sell gas too. Even Wal-Mart sells
gas (Murphy Gas), Sam's Club (another Sam's Choice) and now our local
grocery chains have gas, Walgreens and Ekerds (drug stores which have
become variety stores with Rx service) are looking into it as well. Soon
it will be a true "one-stop" shopping trip to gas up, get your uppers and
downers, quick drinks, fast food and a week's supply of beer, bratwurst and
bread.


Paul and the Splendidly Striped Silver Screamer
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hometown: Zephyrhills, Florida, USA
Never drive any faster than your guardian angel can fly.

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Mail From: kcmurphy72 (KC Murphy)

> Funny thing is, that in NJ it's illegal to pump your own gas, and
> it's cheaper than most other states. It really sucks to stay warm in the
car, and pay less money.

If I remember correctly wasn't this law passed to create jobs (gas pumpers?)

Murph