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Mail From: solja (Jason Soza)

Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.

I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out what's up with the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by pushing in the harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the problem to whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their power from.

The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in the car, I now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try to pop up the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power, whatever power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.

Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the car all the way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are harnessed. I'm just stuck.

Thanks,

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

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Mail From: atowers (Andy R. Towers)

You should be looking for jumper cables.
--------Andymon

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
Of Jason Soza
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:12 PM
To: Jason Soza
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.

I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out what's up with
the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by pushing in
the harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the problem
to whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their power
from.

The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in the car, I
now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try to pop
up the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
whatever power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.

Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the car all
the way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
harnessed. I'm just stuck.

Thanks,

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com


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Mail From: shsharp (Sam Sharp)

Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem with my
starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far enough to
engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the back of the
lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a screwdriver in
the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the switch as the
problem.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


> Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
>
> I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out what's up with
the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by pushing in the
harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the problem to
whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their power from.
>
> The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in the car, I
now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try to pop up
the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power, whatever
power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
>
> Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the car all the
way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are harnessed. I'm
just stuck.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason Soza
> Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.

I'm still wondering if they are different problems.

Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might eliminate 1
more park of the problem.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem with my
> starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far enough to
> engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the back of the
> lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a screwdriver in
> the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the switch as
the
> problem.
>
> Sam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> >
> > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out what's up with
> the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by pushing in
the
> harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the problem to
> whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their power from.
> >
> > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in the car, I
> now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try to pop up
> the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power, whatever
> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> >
> > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the car all the
> way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are harnessed.
I'm
> just stuck.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jason Soza
> > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: solja (Jason Soza)

So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the harness for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to anything.

I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)

> Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
>
> I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
>
> Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> eliminate 1
> more park of the problem.
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> with my
> > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> enough to
> > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> back of the
> > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> screwdriver in
> > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> switch as
> the
> > problem.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > >
> > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> what's up with
> > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> pushing in
> the
> > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> problem to
> > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> power from.
> > >
> > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> the car, I
> > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> to pop up
> > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > >
> > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> car all the
> > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> harnessed.I'm
> > just stuck.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jason Soza
> > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>

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Mail From: chad (Chad J. Douglas)

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If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the headlights will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time the lights are turned on.



From: Jason Soza
Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the harness for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to anything.

I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)

> Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
>
> I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
>
> Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> eliminate 1
> more park of the problem.
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> with my
> > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> enough to
> > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> back of the
> > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> screwdriver in
> > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> switch as
> the
> > problem.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > >
> > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> what's up with
> > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> pushing in
> the
> > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> problem to
> > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> power from.
> > >
> > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> the car, I
> > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> to pop up
> > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > >
> > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> car all the
> > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> harnessed.I'm
> > just stuck.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jason Soza
> > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>

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Mail From: moniata (Andymon)

Connect all your wiring.
JUMP THE CAR!!!!
Then get back to us...
----------Andymon

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On Behalf
Of Jason Soza
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:18 AM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center console
/has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the harness for the
four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to anything.

I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next step
be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on and
stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)

> Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
>
> I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
>
> Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> eliminate 1
> more park of the problem.
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> with my
> > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> enough to
> > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> back of the
> > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> screwdriver in
> > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> switch as
> the
> > problem.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > >
> > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> what's up with
> > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> pushing in
> the
> > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> problem to
> > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> power from.
> > >
> > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> the car, I
> > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> to pop up
> > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > >
> > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> car all the
> > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> harnessed.I'm
> > just stuck.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jason Soza
> > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>

_______________________________________________
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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)




> So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center
console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the harness
for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to
anything.

Yup it does, attach that and eliminate the headlight issue from your
symptoms.

>
> I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next
step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on
and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.

I'd just charge the battery up if your suspecting a weak battery at this
point. But this isn't stopping you from starting unless the battery is
stone dead. Why not try Sam's suggestion about the switch??


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

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Not always true. On my car when I forgot to attach that plug the lights didn't go up at all.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: Chad J. Douglas
To: Jason Soza ; Larry Alster
Cc: (email redacted)
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the headlights will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time the lights are turned on.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Jason Soza
Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
To: Larry Alster
Cc: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the harness for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to anything.

I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.

Jason Soza
Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)

> Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
>
> I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
>
> Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> eliminate 1
> more park of the problem.
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> with my
> > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> enough to
> > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> back of the
> > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> screwdriver in
> > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> switch as
> the
> > problem.
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > >
> > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> what's up with
> > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> pushing in
> the
> > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> problem to
> > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> power from.
> > >
> > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> the car, I
> > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> to pop up
> > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > >
> > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> car all the
> > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> harnessed.I'm
> > just stuck.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jason Soza
> > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>

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Previously on Electrical Update, "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)> said...

> Not always true. On my car when I forgot to attach that plug the lights
didn't go up at all.

Same with mine. The symptoms were the same as Jason's and Larry's. I
thought I had really screwed something up but when I plugged the buttons
back in everything worked fine.

-John
_______________________________________________
John Freas
Red '90 Base-ish #7690
Columbus, IN
Team LS1,2, SP, the Gap...
I love my Miata girl.
"I have no idea what those dimple things on the windshield frame are for."

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Mail From: rmcelwee (rmcelwee)

I'll have to check my wiring diagrams but I believe removing the buttons
will break the connection and you won't get any power to the light motors
(they won't go up). I think they will still come on though, just not in the
up position. When you move to fixed headlights you leave the switch in tact
but it is no longer needed and could be removed from the harness.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>
To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


> [this was a MIME-encoded message - it has been]
> [filtered of non-plaintext attachments by ALF ]
>
>
> If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the headlights
will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time the
lights are turned on.
>
>
>
> From: Jason Soza
> Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
> To: Larry Alster
> Cc: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center
console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the harness
for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to
anything.
>
> I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next
step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on
and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.
>
> Jason Soza
> Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
> Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
> > Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
> >
> > I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
> >
> > Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> > console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> > eliminate 1
> > more park of the problem.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> > Turbo +
> > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> >
> > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > Masters Miata
> > RAGS 074
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> > with my
> > > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> > enough to
> > > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> > back of the
> > > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> > screwdriver in
> > > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> > switch as
> > the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > > >
> > > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> > what's up with
> > > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> > pushing in
> > the
> > > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> > problem to
> > > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> > power from.
> > > >
> > > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> > the car, I
> > > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> > to pop up
> > > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> > whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > > >
> > > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> > car all the
> > > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> > harnessed.I'm
> > > just stuck.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jason Soza
> > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > (email redacted)
> > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>
> [ALF: attachment (type="text/html") removed from message]
>
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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Exactly correct!

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>
To: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>;
"Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


> I'll have to check my wiring diagrams but I believe removing the buttons
> will break the connection and you won't get any power to the light motors
> (they won't go up). I think they will still come on though, just not in
the
> up position. When you move to fixed headlights you leave the switch in
tact
> but it is no longer needed and could be removed from the harness.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > [this was a MIME-encoded message - it has been]
> > [filtered of non-plaintext attachments by ALF ]
> >
> >
> > If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the headlights
> will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time the
> lights are turned on.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jason Soza
> > Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
> > To: Larry Alster
> > Cc: (email redacted)
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center
> console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the
harness
> for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected to
> anything.
> >
> > I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next
> step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come on
> and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.
> >
> > Jason Soza
> > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
> > Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> > > Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
> > >
> > > I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
> > >
> > > Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> > > console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> > > eliminate 1
> > > more park of the problem.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> > > Turbo +
> > > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> > >
> > > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > > Masters Miata
> > > RAGS 074
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > >
> > > > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> > > with my
> > > > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> > > enough to
> > > > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> > > back of the
> > > > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> > > screwdriver in
> > > > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> > > switch as
> > > the
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > Sam
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > > > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > > > >
> > > > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> > > what's up with
> > > > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> > > pushing in
> > > the
> > > > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> > > problem to
> > > > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> > > power from.
> > > > >
> > > > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> > > the car, I
> > > > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> > > to pop up
> > > > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> > > whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > > > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> > > car all the
> > > > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> > > harnessed.I'm
> > > > just stuck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason Soza
> > > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > (email redacted)
> > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> >
> > [ALF: attachment (type="text/html") removed from message]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: Luis" <Miata164 (Luis)

On my '94, with the console buttons disconnected, the headlights *will* go
up and turn on if I turn on them on at the stalk. I can turn them off but
the headlights stay up. BUTT.

It sounds like the earlier cars were wired differently. I'm guessing Mazda
changed the wiring to a fail safe design.

Luis



----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
To: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>; "Chad J Douglas"
<(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


> Exactly correct!
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>;
> "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > I'll have to check my wiring diagrams but I believe removing the buttons
> > will break the connection and you won't get any power to the light
motors
> > (they won't go up). I think they will still come on though, just not in
> the
> > up position. When you move to fixed headlights you leave the switch in
> tact
> > but it is no longer needed and could be removed from the harness.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:24 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > [this was a MIME-encoded message - it has been]
> > > [filtered of non-plaintext attachments by ALF ]
> > >
> > >
> > > If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the headlights
> > will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time the
> > lights are turned on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jason Soza
> > > Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
> > > To: Larry Alster
> > > Cc: (email redacted)
> > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > >
> > >
> > > So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center
> > console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the
> harness
> > for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been connected
to
> > anything.
> > >
> > > I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the next
> > step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come
on
> > and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.
> > >
> > > Jason Soza
> > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
> > > Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > >
> > > > Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
> > > >
> > > > I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
> > > >
> > > > Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the center
> > > > console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> > > > eliminate 1
> > > > more park of the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > > > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> > > > Turbo +
> > > > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > > > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> > > >
> > > > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > > > Masters Miata
> > > > RAGS 074
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> > > > with my
> > > > > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> > > > enough to
> > > > > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> > > > back of the
> > > > > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> > > > screwdriver in
> > > > > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> > > > switch as
> > > > the
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> > > > what's up with
> > > > > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> > > > pushing in
> > > > the
> > > > > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> > > > problem to
> > > > > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> > > > power from.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> > > > the car, I
> > > > > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> > > > to pop up
> > > > > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> > > > whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > > > > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> > > > car all the
> > > > > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> > > > harnessed.I'm
> > > > > just stuck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jason Soza
> > > > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > >
> > >
> > > [ALF: attachment (type="text/html") removed from message]
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: Luis" <Miata164 (Luis)

The spell checker got me. I had written BTDT not BUTT. The corrected version
is below.
-----------------------------------------
On my '94, with the console buttons disconnected, the headlights *will* go
up and turn on if I turn on them on at the stalk. I can turn them off but
the headlights stay up. BTDT.

It sounds like the earlier cars were wired differently. I'm guessing Mazda
changed the wiring to a fail safe design.

Luis


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> To: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>; "Chad J Douglas"
> <(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > Exactly correct!
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> >
> > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > Masters Miata
> > RAGS 074
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza"
<(email redacted)>;
> > "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > I'll have to check my wiring diagrams but I believe removing the
buttons
> > > will break the connection and you won't get any power to the light
> motors
> > > (they won't go up). I think they will still come on though, just not
in
> > the
> > > up position. When you move to fixed headlights you leave the switch in
> > tact
> > > but it is no longer needed and could be removed from the harness.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>
> > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:24 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > [this was a MIME-encoded message - it has been]
> > > > [filtered of non-plaintext attachments by ALF ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the
headlights
> > > will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time
the
> > > lights are turned on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Jason Soza
> > > > Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
> > > > To: Larry Alster
> > > > Cc: (email redacted)
> > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center
> > > console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the
> > harness
> > > for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been
connected
> to
> > > anything.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the
next
> > > step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come
> on
> > > and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.
> > > >
> > > > Jason Soza
> > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
> > > > Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the
center
> > > > > console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> > > > > eliminate 1
> > > > > more park of the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry
> > > > >
> > > > > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > > > > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> > > > > Turbo +
> > > > > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > > > > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> > > > >
> > > > > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > > > > Masters Miata
> > > > > RAGS 074
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> > > > > with my
> > > > > > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> > > > > enough to
> > > > > > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> > > > > back of the
> > > > > > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> > > > > screwdriver in
> > > > > > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> > > > > switch as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> > > > > what's up with
> > > > > > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> > > > > pushing in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> > > > > problem to
> > > > > > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> > > > > power from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> > > > > the car, I
> > > > > > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> > > > > to pop up
> > > > > > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> > > > > whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > > > > > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> > > > > car all the
> > > > > > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> > > > > harnessed.I'm
> > > > > > just stuck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jason Soza
> > > > > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > (email redacted)
> > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [ALF: attachment (type="text/html") removed from message]
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > (email redacted)
> > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Could be but Jason's car isn't a 94 IIRC so it will be the way Robert
described it.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luis" <(email redacted)>
To: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>; "rmcelwee"
<(email redacted)>; "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>; "Jason
Soza" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)


>
> On my '94, with the console buttons disconnected, the headlights *will*
go
> up and turn on if I turn on them on at the stalk. I can turn them off but
> the headlights stay up. BUTT.
>
> It sounds like the earlier cars were wired differently. I'm guessing Mazda
> changed the wiring to a fail safe design.
>
> Luis
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> To: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>; "Chad J Douglas"
> <(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
>
>
> > Exactly correct!
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> >
> > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > Masters Miata
> > RAGS 074
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rmcelwee" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>; "Jason Soza"
<(email redacted)>;
> > "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>; <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> >
> >
> > > I'll have to check my wiring diagrams but I believe removing the
buttons
> > > will break the connection and you won't get any power to the light
> motors
> > > (they won't go up). I think they will still come on though, just not
in
> > the
> > > up position. When you move to fixed headlights you leave the switch in
> > tact
> > > but it is no longer needed and could be removed from the harness.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chad J Douglas" <(email redacted)>
> > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>; "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:24 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > >
> > >
> > > > [this was a MIME-encoded message - it has been]
> > > > [filtered of non-plaintext attachments by ALF ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If the buttons in the radio surround are not connected, the
headlights
> > > will go up and stay up, and will refuse to come down the first time
the
> > > lights are turned on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Jason Soza
> > > > Sent: Fri 4/2/2004 12:17 PM
> > > > To: Larry Alster
> > > > Cc: (email redacted)
> > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So - in order for the lights to go up/down, the switch on the center
> > > console /has/ to be connected? I hadn't gotten to that point, so the
> > harness
> > > for the four-way blinkers/headlight retractor hasn't yet been
connected
> to
> > > anything.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try that tonight. If that doesn't solve anything, should the
next
> > > step be trying to jump the car? Last night the 'Charge' light did come
> on
> > > and stayed on this time. Don't know if that's the cause or effect tho.
> > > >
> > > > Jason Soza
> > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Larry Alster <(email redacted)>
> > > > Date: Friday, April 2, 2004 3:58 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't explain the lights not going up though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still wondering if they are different problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason did you check the connector on the light switch in the
center
> > > > > console??? If that is off the lights won't go up and that might
> > > > > eliminate 1
> > > > > more park of the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry
> > > > >
> > > > > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > > > > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV
> > > > > Turbo +
> > > > > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > > > > Whoosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
> > > > >
> > > > > LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> > > > > Masters Miata
> > > > > RAGS 074
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Sam Sharp" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:01 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jason! I just thought of something. I have an ongoing problem
> > > > > with my
> > > > > > starter switch. The key doesn't seem to turn the switch far
> > > > > enough to
> > > > > > engage the starter. Try pulling the plastic switch off of the
> > > > > back of the
> > > > > > lock assembly. One screw. Then operate the switch using a
> > > > > screwdriver in
> > > > > > the slot. It works for me, and if not, it would eliminate the
> > > > > switch as
> > > > > the
> > > > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > > To: "Jason Soza" <(email redacted)>
> > > > > > Cc: <(email redacted)>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:11 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Miata] Electrical Update (was: Dead Battery?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay guys, any ideas here would be great - I'm stuck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I fiddled around in the car some more, trying to find out
> > > > > what's up with
> > > > > > the electrical system. I got the windshield wipers working by
> > > > > pushing in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > harness at the control stalk. So that further isolates the
> > > > > problem to
> > > > > > whatever circuit the headlight motors and starter get their
> > > > > power from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The relays for both work - after snugging up the harnesses in
> > > > > the car, I
> > > > > > now get a very audible clicking noise when I turn the key or try
> > > > > to pop up
> > > > > > the headlights. It just seems that although the relay has power,
> > > > > whatever> power source the relay is trying to relay is not there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any tips on what I should be looking for? I double-checked all
> > > > > > connections, starting from the engine bay, crawling under the
> > > > > car all the
> > > > > > way to the back - all grounds are grounded, all harnesses are
> > > > > harnessed.I'm
> > > > > > just stuck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jason Soza
> > > > > > > Miatas! www.miatapix.net <-- Is YOUR Miata here?
> > > > > > > Alumni! www.jdhsgrads.com
> > > > > > > Photos! www.sozaphotos.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > > > (email redacted)
> > > > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > (email redacted)
> > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
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