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Mail From: kbarton150236 ((email redacted))

Yep. I saw that in tech news from AP or Reuters. IIRC, they said that
nearly all of them had been sold in Japan in recent years. I haven't seen a
Beta tape in years. Maybe they keep the Beta tapes in that little aisle of
Mac software at the electronics stores. I never see anybody in that aisle ;)

Keith Barton
99 LP - DelVal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>


> Actually are you aware of the fact that just 2 weeks ago Sony took the
> BetaMax out of production??? Who has been selling/buying them all these
> years and where were they getting tapes??? :)
>
> Larry

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Mail From: carguy (David B)

Maybe they keep the Beta tapes in that little aisle of
> Mac software at the electronics stores. I never see anybody in that aisle ;)

The reason you don't see anyone on that aisle often is the mac users don't need at that
extraneous expensive stuff like sound cards, ethernet cards, video cards, virus software,
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

Macs all come fully loaded with no extras to buy and no long hours of support and
tinkering to get and keep them working ; )

But you know that.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David B" <(email redacted)>

>
> The reason you don't see anyone on that aisle often is the Mac users don't
need at that
> extraneous expensive stuff like sound cards, Ethernet cards, video cards,
virus software,
> etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

A good PC comes similarly equipped. My wife's came with all of the above and
more for less than $700, IIRC. I did upgrade the AV to Norton, but that's
it. I have spent zero hours tinkering with it to keep it working. It
performs flawlessly and that's with Windows. Remember, PCs don't require
Windows anymore, but then you may reduce the software availability to that
of a Mac.

>
> Macs all come fully loaded with no extras to buy and no long hours of
support and
> tinkering to get and keep them working ; )
>

I guess that's a good thing. When the IMacs at our school were down, we
couldn't get support. They've switched to Dells and Gateways. No extras to
buy? Macs don't come with every conceivable type of software, and new stuff
comes out all the time.

I'm not saying Macs are bad machines, just that the differences aren't
nearly as significant as they used to be and PCs are much easier in respect
to getting the newest software. As Phredd used to say.... 'They don't even
write viruses for Macs'.

Keith Barton
99 LP - DelVal

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all the
IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "David B" <(email redacted)>
To: <unlisted-recipients:>; <no To-header on input>
Cc: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)


>
> Maybe they keep the Beta tapes in that little aisle of
> > Mac software at the electronics stores. I never see anybody in that
aisle ;)
>
> The reason you don't see anyone on that aisle often is the mac users don't
need at that
> extraneous expensive stuff like sound cards, ethernet cards, video cards,
virus software,
> etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
>
> Macs all come fully loaded with no extras to buy and no long hours of
support and
> tinkering to get and keep them working ; )
>
> But you know that.
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: carguy (David B)

I haven't needed, nor used a floppy for a long time before the iMac came along. That's
what Zips are for!!

A floppy is too little and too slow!! Course now I beginning to think the Zips are too
small and too slow. Ain't progress great!!

Larry Alster wrote:
>
> Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all the
> IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
> LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David B" <(email redacted)>
> To: <unlisted-recipients:>; <no To-header on input>
> Cc: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)
>
> >
> > Maybe they keep the Beta tapes in that little aisle of
> > > Mac software at the electronics stores. I never see anybody in that
> aisle ;)
> >
> > The reason you don't see anyone on that aisle often is the mac users don't
> need at that
> > extraneous expensive stuff like sound cards, ethernet cards, video cards,
> virus software,
> > etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > Macs all come fully loaded with no extras to buy and no long hours of
> support and
> > tinkering to get and keep them working ; )
> >
> > But you know that.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: miata (Andrew Koch)

>Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all the
>IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm

I always laugh when I see this argument.

Realistically, though some people do still use floppy drives, when
was the last time you actually needed one.

Personally, I haven't needed a floppy drive since 1997 or '98. If a
file is too large to e-mail or transfer via a network, then I can
Just burn it to a CD-RW, or put it on a ZIP disk...

Besides, how many files, other then text files or small documents,
are smaller then 1,400 K?

Oh, and BTW, iMac's aren't built to be heavy duty computing machines.
Get yourself a G4 tower if you need expendability and raw power.
iMacs are for the generic home user who doesn't do much more then
surf the Internet and type a few documents now and then.

--
Andrew Koch
'91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX Shocks
Web Site: lildobe.net

"...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."

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Mail From: kbarton150236 ((email redacted))

Yeah, that was a major problem with our IMacs. The class lists we used at
school were on a floppy that needed periodic updating. With only one
available port on the IMac, you could run the printer, or the external
floppy, not both. The ports on the keyboard didn't provide enough power for
either.

Keith Barton
99 LP - DelVal


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <(email redacted)>


> Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all the
> IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
>
> Larry
>

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

Well working in the real world, not the Apple World, there are times I need
to take a small file or a patch with me to a customers location. Guess what
I use??? A Floppy!!! WHY??? It's the least common denominator. I have
yet to run into a PC without one. I have seen boxes without CD's and why
would I want to lug a Zip Drive and have to install it on my customers
machine to install a small file??

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Koch" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata Enthusiast's List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)


> >Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all
the
> >IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
>
> I always laugh when I see this argument.
>
> Realistically, though some people do still use floppy drives, when
> was the last time you actually needed one.
>
> Personally, I haven't needed a floppy drive since 1997 or '98. If a
> file is too large to e-mail or transfer via a network, then I can
> Just burn it to a CD-RW, or put it on a ZIP disk...
>
> Besides, how many files, other then text files or small documents,
> are smaller then 1,400 K?
>
> Oh, and BTW, iMac's aren't built to be heavy duty computing machines.
> Get yourself a G4 tower if you need expendability and raw power.
> iMacs are for the generic home user who doesn't do much more then
> surf the Internet and type a few documents now and then.
>
> --
> Andrew Koch
> '91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX Shocks
> Web Site: lildobe.net
>
> "...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
> haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
> down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: carguy (David B)


Andrew Koch wrote:
>
> Oh, and BTW, iMac's aren't built to be heavy duty computing machines.
> Get yourself a G4 tower if you need expendability and raw power.
> iMacs are for the generic home user who doesn't do much more then
> surf the Internet and type a few documents now and then.
>
I wouldn't go that far. Yes they are not as powerful as the towers, but I have 6 in my
office where we do semi-heavy Photoshop and Freehand work and they are great for that.

I also run a fairly computational heavy Windows program on my iMacs. I have a couple of
tower also, unfortunately not the dual processor models, and for my use they work just as well.

Now if I were rendering videos I think I would truly appreciate the dual processor towers more.

My kids need more computing power than I do. One is in hight school and one in college.
Nowaday videos are the norm for HS projects. Both of my kids are fluent in Final Cut Pro.
I still use iMovie only occassionally.

My college daughter is the General Manager for the college radio station and has been the
programming director for the TV station. She puts totally different demands on her iMac
and her 3 year old iMac will be replaced this Christmas with a dual processor tower.

They borrow my Titanium powerbook for their projects and fiddle with all my settings so it
is really an issue of self protection.

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Mail From: miata (Andrew Koch)

>Well working in the real world, not the Apple World, there are times I need
>to take a small file or a patch with me to a customers location. Guess what
>I use??? A Floppy!!! WHY??? It's the least common denominator. I have
>yet to run into a PC without one. I have seen boxes without CD's and why
>would I want to lug a Zip Drive and have to install it on my customers
>machine to install a small file??

Ok... but when was the last time you saw a Mac without a CD drive
(1992?), or for that matter, that needed small patch files at all?

At 02:23 PM -0400 9/15/02, (email redacted) wrote:
>Yeah, that was a major problem with our IMacs. The class lists we used at
>school were on a floppy that needed periodic updating. With only one
>available port on the IMac, you could run the printer, or the external
>floppy, not both. The ports on the keyboard didn't provide enough power for
>either.

Now that is certainly interesting. If the Printer was following the
USB specifications, then is shouldn't be drawing ANY power from the
USB bus, other then what it needs to communicate.

So I'd say that the problem there was the Printer, not the iMac.

--
Andrew Koch
'91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX Shocks
Web Site: lildobe.net

"...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."

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Mail From: carguy (David B)


(email redacted) wrote:
With only one available port on the IMac, you could run the printer, or the external
> floppy, not both. The ports on the keyboard didn't provide enough power for
> either.
>

If you only had one port you didn't have iMacs then. You may have had a special
educational model instead.

The iMacs have 2 usbs, 2 firewires, ethernet, bult in 56k modem and phone connections,
CDRW or DVD/CD plus the 2 usbs on the keyboard with identical "power" to the ports on the
computer itself.

Sounds more like the school had an issue than the computer, still using floppies after all
these years? All they had to do was use zips or burn CDs and that would have solved their
problem. What happened is that you had some stick in the mud PC guys who refused to enter
the 21st century.

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Mail From: carguy (David B)

You are right there is a time and a place for a floppy. There is also a place for a horse
and buggy.

If you don't want a zip there are many new, smaller, 20-80 gig pocket sized hard drives
out there now. You can now bring your whole computer to your customer's place of business
in your shirt pocket.

The Zip's days are numbered also. Sounds to me like you are 2 steps out of touch with the
present. The future will leave you totally behind.

Larry Alster wrote:
>
> Well working in the real world, not the Apple World, there are times I need
> to take a small file or a patch with me to a customers location. Guess what
> I use??? A Floppy!!! WHY??? It's the least common denominator. I have
> yet to run into a PC without one. I have seen boxes without CD's and why
> would I want to lug a Zip Drive and have to install it on my customers
> machine to install a small file??
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
> LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Koch" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Miata Enthusiast's List" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)
>
> > >Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all
> the
> > >IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
> >
> > I always laugh when I see this argument.
> >
> > Realistically, though some people do still use floppy drives, when
> > was the last time you actually needed one.
> >
> > Personally, I haven't needed a floppy drive since 1997 or '98. If a
> > file is too large to e-mail or transfer via a network, then I can
> > Just burn it to a CD-RW, or put it on a ZIP disk...
> >
> > Besides, how many files, other then text files or small documents,
> > are smaller then 1,400 K?
> >
> > Oh, and BTW, iMac's aren't built to be heavy duty computing machines.
> > Get yourself a G4 tower if you need expendability and raw power.
> > iMacs are for the generic home user who doesn't do much more then
> > surf the Internet and type a few documents now and then.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Koch
> > '91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX Shocks
> > Web Site: lildobe.net
> >
> > "...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
> > haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
> > down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

No sounds to me like you and Andrew don't understand reality.

Andrew, I forgot. Apples are so perfect that there is never a need to add a
patch to any piece of software that might be running on them. I guess
that's why every major company in the world has nothing but Apples on all
their employees desks. Save all that time dealing with patches and OS
problems and have that WIDE variety of software available.

David, reality is the fact that I can buy any thing I want but it's not real
practical to walk into a CUSTOMERS location and load things on their system
to do my work. Lot's of customers have a problem with that. We just,
stupidly enough, lost a future upgrade to a system because the IS department
at the site would not allow a remote dial in software program to be
installed on a workstation so we could have the ability to service the
system remotely. Stupid on their part but it's their policy and you have to
live with it as a vendor.

Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "David B" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miatanet" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)


> You are right there is a time and a place for a floppy. There is also a
place for a horse
> and buggy.
>
> If you don't want a zip there are many new, smaller, 20-80 gig pocket
sized hard drives
> out there now. You can now bring your whole computer to your customer's
place of business
> in your shirt pocket.
>
> The Zip's days are numbered also. Sounds to me like you are 2 steps out
of touch with the
> present. The future will leave you totally behind.
>
> Larry Alster wrote:
> >
> > Well working in the real world, not the Apple World, there are times I
need
> > to take a small file or a patch with me to a customers location. Guess
what
> > I use??? A Floppy!!! WHY??? It's the least common denominator. I
have
> > yet to run into a PC without one. I have seen boxes without CD's and
why
> > would I want to lug a Zip Drive and have to install it on my customers
> > machine to install a small file??
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> >
> > LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> > Masters Miata
> > RAGS 074
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Koch" <(email redacted)>
> > To: "Miata Enthusiast's List" <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)
> >
> > > >Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like
all
> > the
> > > >IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
> > >
> > > I always laugh when I see this argument.
> > >
> > > Realistically, though some people do still use floppy drives, when
> > > was the last time you actually needed one.
> > >
> > > Personally, I haven't needed a floppy drive since 1997 or '98. If a
> > > file is too large to e-mail or transfer via a network, then I can
> > > Just burn it to a CD-RW, or put it on a ZIP disk...
> > >
> > > Besides, how many files, other then text files or small documents,
> > > are smaller then 1,400 K?
> > >
> > > Oh, and BTW, iMac's aren't built to be heavy duty computing machines.
> > > Get yourself a G4 tower if you need expendability and raw power.
> > > iMacs are for the generic home user who doesn't do much more then
> > > surf the Internet and type a few documents now and then.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Koch
> > > '91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX
Shocks
> > > Web Site: lildobe.net
> > >
> > > "...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
> > > haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
> > > down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: carguy (David B)

PCs = job security for support personelle (and no I have never needed a patch for
anything ever, nor do I expect I ever will) I have also never needed anyone other than
myself to fix anything. Course that is cause I only have an issue once to twice a year.
Even then it is usually a new version of software issue (ala Netscape 7, OK I have
downloaded some patches from the manufacturer to fix bugs in new software)

Macs = freedom from the costs from named support staff

If everyone used a Mac tens of thousands of people would be out of a job which would be
bad for the economy so I guess I should toss all my macs. That would be good for the
economy also since it takes so much more money to fill up the PCs (software and hardware)
initially also.

I have seen the light! I HAVE BEEN CONVERTED!!

Ok now that we have that out of the way can we get back to cars?

Larry Alster wrote:
>
> No sounds to me like you and Andrew don't understand reality.
>
> Andrew, I forgot. Apples are so perfect that there is never a need to add a
> patch to any piece of software that might be running on them. I guess
> that's why every major company in the world has nothing but Apples on all
> their employees desks. Save all that time dealing with patches and OS
> problems and have that WIDE variety of software available.
>
> David, reality is the fact that I can buy any thing I want but it's not real
> practical to walk into a CUSTOMERS location and load things on their system
> to do my work. Lot's of customers have a problem with that. We just,
> stupidly enough, lost a future upgrade to a system because the IS department
> at the site would not allow a remote dial in software program to be
> installed on a workstation so we could have the ability to service the
> system remotely. Stupid on their part but it's their policy and you have to
> live with it as a vendor.
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
> LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David B" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Miatanet" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)
>
> > You are right there is a time and a place for a floppy. There is also a
> place for a horse
> > and buggy.
> >
> > If you don't want a zip there are many new, smaller, 20-80 gig pocket
> sized hard drives
> > out there now. You can now bring your whole computer to your customer's
> place of business
> > in your shirt pocket.
> >
> > The Zip's days are numbered also. Sounds to me like you are 2 steps out
> of touch with the
> > present. The future will leave you totally behind.
> >
> > Larry Alster wrote:
> > >
> > > Well working in the real world, not the Apple World, there are times I
> need
> > > to take a small file or a patch with me to a customers location. Guess
> what
> > > I use??? A Floppy!!! WHY??? It's the least common denominator. I
> have
> > > yet to run into a PC without one. I have seen boxes without CD's and
> why
> > > would I want to lug a Zip Drive and have to install it on my customers
> > > machine to install a small file??
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> > > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> > >
> > > LowCountry Miata miata.net/lowcountry
> > > Masters Miata
> > > RAGS 074
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andrew Koch" <(email redacted)>
> > > To: "Miata Enthusiast's List" <(email redacted)>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)
> > >
> > > > >Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like
> all
> > > the
> > > > >IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
> > > >
> > > > I always laugh when I see this argument.
> > > >
> > > > Realistically, though some people do still use floppy drives, when
> > > > was the last time you actually needed one.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I haven't needed a floppy drive since 1997 or '98. If a
> > > > file is too large to e-mail or transfer via a network, then I can
> > > > Just burn it to a CD-RW, or put it on a ZIP disk...
> > > >
> > > > Besides, how many files, other then text files or small documents,
> > > > are smaller then 1,400 K?
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and BTW, iMac's aren't built to be heavy duty computing machines.
> > > > Get yourself a G4 tower if you need expendability and raw power.
> > > > iMacs are for the generic home user who doesn't do much more then
> > > > surf the Internet and type a few documents now and then.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Koch
> > > > '91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX
> Shocks
> > > > Web Site: lildobe.net
> > > >
> > > > "...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
> > > > haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
> > > > down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Miata mailing list
> > > > (email redacted)
> > > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > (email redacted)
> > > realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> > _______________________________________________
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Mail From: miata (Andrew Koch)

>No sounds to me like you and Andrew don't understand reality.
>
>Andrew, I forgot. Apples are so perfect that there is never a need to add a
>patch to any piece of software that might be running on them. I guess
>that's why every major company in the world has nothing but Apples on all
>their employees desks. Save all that time dealing with patches and OS
>problems and have that WIDE variety of software available.

Every patch that I've needed to install on any Mac can either be
installed via CDRom, or via download from the Internet.

Worst case, I get myself one of those 32MB USB Key chain memory
devices and use that.

As for software availability, Just about any major software package
used in business is available for Mac, from Microsoft Office to the
entire Adobe Suite, along with CAD programs and Financial software..

As for reality, I've been using Macintosh computers since 1985. I've
also have lots of experience with Windows based machines. I'll stick
with my Macs, thank you very much.

Oh, and just FYI, I am an Apple Certified Service Technician, as well
as an A+ Certified Tech. Almost went for my MCSE too, but decided to
switch careers all together last year.

--
Andrew Koch
'91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX Shocks
Web Site: lildobe.net

"...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."

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Mail From: caymen (caymen)

If you try installing Win2K or WinXP with a Promise Raid setup, you need a floppy disk. You need the Controller drivers for windows to recognize the controller. If you dont have it, you arent going to load Windows.


In my PC, I have an LS-120 Drive. It is great. Works in plain Jane floppy's but also runs LS-120 Discs. It is fast too.


Tom

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On 9/15/2002 at 11:51 AM Jerry Houston wrote:

>charset="Windows-1252"
>
>Actually, I needed them recently, to install Win2K Server on a machine with
>a 12x DVD drive acting as its ATPI CD-ROM. Although other CD's would boot
>from that drive (Linux CD's, f'rinstance), the Win2KS CD wouldn't. I
>needed
>to create the 4 boot-up floppy disks and load the first part of the setup
>program from those, after which it was happy to read the CD for the rest of
>the process.
>
>Needed floppy drives on both the machine that created the boot disks and
>the
>one that was getting installed.
>
>Floppy drives are not needed anymore for routine software installation or
>operation. But when you do need them, nothing else will do.
>
>From: "Andrew Koch" <(email redacted)>
>Subject: Re: [Miata] Beta -was Klez (NMC)
>
>
>: >Yea, they come fully loaded to work in Apple's little world. Like all
>the
>: >IMacs have those no longer needed floppy drives. :) Hmmmm
>:
>: I always laugh when I see this argument.
>:
>: Realistically, though some people do still use floppy drives, when
>: was the last time you actually needed one.
>
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Mail From: aradia (Aradia)

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, David B wrote:

> PCs = job security for support personelle (and no I have never needed a patch for
> anything ever, nor do I expect I ever will) I have also never needed anyone other than
> myself to fix anything. Course that is cause I only have an issue once to twice a year.
> Even then it is usually a new version of software issue (ala Netscape 7, OK I have
> downloaded some patches from the manufacturer to fix bugs in new software)
>
> Macs = freedom from the costs from named support staff
>
> If everyone used a Mac tens of thousands of people would be out of a job which would be
> bad for the economy so I guess I should toss all my macs. That would be good for the
> economy also since it takes so much more money to fill up the PCs (software and hardware)
> initially also.

Go get a job working technical support. You'll find out just how many
incompetent macintosh users there are in the world.


-- Sean...
Red '90 M1
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Mail From: carguy (David B)

>
> Go get a job working technical support. You'll find out just how many
> incompetent macintosh users there are in the world.
>
There are lots of incompetant users of all systems, it is just that it is just that the
incompetant mac users can't do as much damage. A reboot takes care 99 44/100s of all mac
problems. With 8 machines at work and 4 at home I only have to reboot once or twice a
week (total) and that is usually Freehand or Netscape 7. Both programs seem to do their
own thing instead of following protocols.

I do find numerous "untitled" folders on the desktop tho.

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Mail From: miata (Andrew Koch)

At 03:07 PM -0500 9/15/02, gg wrote:
>Never heard of the Apple one, but I figure it is just a cert to deal with tech
>issues

Actually, no... it means that I have knowledge that spans all Apple
products, from Desktop systems to Laptops, PDAs, Printers and
Scanners.

It is actually one of the highest certifications from Apple, the only
higher level ones deal with Development.

I do agree that A+ won't get me anywhere, but since my now chosen
career path doesn't care squat about if I can upgrade memory in a PC.
. . ;)

--
Andrew Koch
'91 "A" Package, Red (160,000 Miles!); FM Sways & Springs; KYB AGX Shocks
Web Site: lildobe.net

"...the iMac is the Miata of the Macintosh line. You don't use it to
haul lumber up to the farm. You run it down the highway with the top
down and honk at the other drivers so they can all be envious of you."

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Mail From: kcmurphy72 (KC Murphy)

> Go get a job working technical support. You'll find out just how many
> incompetent macintosh users there are in the world.

Either that, or just wander through the cubicles where I work... Graphic
Design is for artists not thinkers apparently. The three tech people go
through shoes about once a month from running between the desks.