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Mail From: tblough (Tom Blough)

It would be nice if this were an original thought. If you would have
bothered to check the archives before posting, you would find identical
posts to this approximately every three months. If you wish only to be
informed of Miata topics, curl up with the owners and maintenance
manuals. Otherwise, this list is what the majority of posters wish it
to be (some of who have even posted more than once).

Additionally, when posting items without Miata content, please use (NMC)
in the subject line.


Tom Blough &
"Molly" Red '99 LP
Avon, CT

"Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR






-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On
Behalf Of Digby Paape
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:30 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: [Miata] Banish Trivia

Some Miataphiles are under the mistaken impression that we are all
interested in their opinions on non-Miata commentary.

If I want informed opinion on matters on other subjects I will look in
the appropriate newsgroups.

I do not visit Miata.net to read about tiddlywinks, fashion, recipes,
synchronised swimming, or the pros and cons of browsers.

I am prepared to credit readers and contributors to this newsgroup some
automotive wisdom due to their ownership of Miatas. But I am not
convinced that just because they own Miatas their opinion of other
matters is particularly more worthwhile than anyone else's.

If some of you want to create a newsgroup called, say, "Miata and
Trivia" then may I respectfully suggest you do so with my blessing,
albeit elsewhere. Then your desire to tell all and sundry your non Miata
opinions can be embellished and magnified by like minded sports car
driving trivia aficionados.

Of course I will get the usual blast from the trivia lovers, gossip
magazine readers and hairdressers, but some things have to be said!

BRG MX5 in NZ

"Those wise enough know enough to speak when spoken to."


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Mail From: miatajim (miatajim)

But people who cry, NEVER read archives, FAQ's, they are the center of the
world and all must change because they have requested it! LOL

Jim
mazda-speed.com


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
Of Tom Blough
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:37 PM
To: Digby Paape; (email redacted)
Subject: RE: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)

It would be nice if this were an original thought. If you would have
bothered to check the archives before posting, you would find identical
posts to this approximately every three months. If you wish only to be
informed of Miata topics, curl up with the owners and maintenance
manuals. Otherwise, this list is what the majority of posters wish it
to be (some of who have even posted more than once).

Additionally, when posting items without Miata content, please use (NMC)
in the subject line.


Tom Blough &
"Molly" Red '99 LP
Avon, CT

"Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR






-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On
Behalf Of Digby Paape
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:30 PM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: [Miata] Banish Trivia

Some Miataphiles are under the mistaken impression that we are all
interested in their opinions on non-Miata commentary.

If I want informed opinion on matters on other subjects I will look in
the appropriate newsgroups.

I do not visit Miata.net to read about tiddlywinks, fashion, recipes,
synchronised swimming, or the pros and cons of browsers.

I am prepared to credit readers and contributors to this newsgroup some
automotive wisdom due to their ownership of Miatas. But I am not
convinced that just because they own Miatas their opinion of other
matters is particularly more worthwhile than anyone else's.

If some of you want to create a newsgroup called, say, "Miata and
Trivia" then may I respectfully suggest you do so with my blessing,
albeit elsewhere. Then your desire to tell all and sundry your non Miata
opinions can be embellished and magnified by like minded sports car
driving trivia aficionados.

Of course I will get the usual blast from the trivia lovers, gossip
magazine readers and hairdressers, but some things have to be said!

BRG MX5 in NZ

"Those wise enough know enough to speak when spoken to."


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Mail From: dwynne (Dennis Wynne)

It is the first "quit the non-Miata content" message of the year.

Like the swallows returning to Capistrano (or the buzzards returning to
Hinckley, Ohio) they will come to us with each new season :-)

Dennis

At 01:36 PM 02/16/2005 -0500, Tom Blough wrote:
>It would be nice if this were an original thought. If you would have
>bothered to check the archives before posting, you would find identical
>posts to this approximately every three months. If you wish only to be
>informed of Miata topics, curl up with the owners and maintenance
>manuals. Otherwise, this list is what the majority of posters wish it
>to be (some of who have even posted more than once).
>
>Additionally, when posting items without Miata content, please use (NMC)
>in the subject line.
>
>
>Tom Blough &
>"Molly" Red '99 LP
>Avon, CT
>
>"Driver does not carry cash - He's married"
>FYI, Racecar spelled backwards is racecaR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On
>Behalf Of Digby Paape
>Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:30 PM
>To: (email redacted)
>Subject: [Miata] Banish Trivia
>
>Some Miataphiles are under the mistaken impression that we are all
>interested in their opinions on non-Miata commentary.
>
>If I want informed opinion on matters on other subjects I will look in
>the appropriate newsgroups.
>
>I do not visit Miata.net to read about tiddlywinks, fashion, recipes,
>synchronised swimming, or the pros and cons of browsers.
>
>I am prepared to credit readers and contributors to this newsgroup some
>automotive wisdom due to their ownership of Miatas. But I am not
>convinced that just because they own Miatas their opinion of other
>matters is particularly more worthwhile than anyone else's.
>
>If some of you want to create a newsgroup called, say, "Miata and
>Trivia" then may I respectfully suggest you do so with my blessing,
>albeit elsewhere. Then your desire to tell all and sundry your non Miata
>opinions can be embellished and magnified by like minded sports car
>driving trivia aficionados.
>
>Of course I will get the usual blast from the trivia lovers, gossip
>magazine readers and hairdressers, but some things have to be said!
>
>BRG MX5 in NZ
>
>"Those wise enough know enough to speak when spoken to."
>
>
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>
>
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Mail From: flyboy (Berck E. Nash)

Tom Blough wrote:

> manuals. Otherwise, this list is what the majority of posters wish it
> to be (some of who have even posted more than once).

That's an assumption which may very well be incorrect. I know that
there exist many posters wish it were more Miata-related. They may even
be majority of posters, just not the louder posters. I'm one of them.
Just because that's the way it's always been and that's the way YOU want
it to be, doesn't mean that the majority wants it that way. I've been
on the list for over six years and get pretty annoyed at much of the
non-miata content. With the number of complaints, I can be sure I'm not
the only one.

Yes the list is unmoderated, as are most lists. That doesn't mean
self-discipline can't be utilized. There's a big difference between an
occasional diversion and a Falafel recipie.

The g-mail thread is a good example. I ignored all the questions about
what it was for the longest time hoping people would look it up and get
back to Miatas. After the number of questioners got large enough, I
thought that answering the question would make it go away. Turns out I
was wrong and I should have just kept quiet since I just stirred up more
trouble.

I think, perhaps, a post Keith Tanner made on the subject a few years
ago contains some oft-ignored words of wisdom that might be quite
beneficial to everyone.

list.miata.net/pipermail/miata/2002-July/022017.html

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Mail From: keith (Keith Tanner)


>I think, perhaps, a post Keith Tanner made on the subject a few years ago
>contains some oft-ignored words of wisdom that might be quite beneficial
>to everyone.

I'd forgotten about that. I still think the same way, though :)

For the number junkies, we have 787 regular subscribers and 647 on the
digest. I don't know how many of those are going to dead accounts but any
that cause consistent bounces do get removed. Again, not significantly
different than in 1995. It's always been 1000-1500.

Wow, almost 10 years!

Keith

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Mail From: rowdon (DON SCOTT)

I agree with the posting that the list has too much non-Miata trivia and
not enough Miata stuff.

Maybe Miatas don't break down enough (like British sports cars) to
generate more technical correspondence. I subscribed to a TR8 list
before I sold the car a few weeks ago and most of the postings were
TR8-related. Rarely did subscribers stray into the worlds of fine
cuisine, prostate issues, or pet care.

Don Scott
'91 Miata BRG, '62 MGA
'73 MGB, '92 Integra GS-R
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Mail From: markbooth (Mark Booth)

At 1:48 PM -0700 2/16/05, Keith Tanner wrote:
>For the number junkies, we have 787 regular subscribers and 647 on the
>digest. I don't know how many of those are going to dead accounts but any
>that cause consistent bounces do get removed. Again, not significantly
>different than in 1995. It's always been 1000-1500.

Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world did we
manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :) According to Digby,
nobody likes this list because of all of the crap. Go figure!

Hey Digby... simple key presses delete any number of messages quickly and
painlessly. Try it, you might like it. You can start with mine! :)

Mark - Who's been a member of this list (or the one preceding it) for about
a dozen years.

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Mail From: keith (Keith Tanner)


>Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world did we
>manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :)

It's actually been 1200-1400 the entire time. I assume that a number of
those accounts are dead or not read, thus my reference to 1000 readers. The
list has not grown since 2002. It's actually been falling slightly over the
years.

Keith

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Mail From: miata-driver (bradley lawler)

WOW, still all the subscribers, but lots less of the messages. What
happened to the 200 messages a day that would happen. I think the list is
perfect, it is nice to have a place where people you can somewhat trust give
you opinions on other matters. If I want an opinion on my KIA SEDONA mini
van all to be good, I would go to a KIA site, but I want real world
experience, and this group of 1000 car people is a great place. We all have
different hobbies and interests than the Miata. Get over it, or start
deleting messages you don't want to read it takes about 15 seconds to delete
the 50 or so messages I got today from the list if I don't want to read them
all. A last resort is to unsubscribe and go to the forum, just stay away
from "Car talk" it is not all Miata content.

Brad
Black 93 C
Member for about 7 or 8 years
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


>
>>Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world did we
>>manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :)
>
> It's actually been 1200-1400 the entire time. I assume that a number of
> those accounts are dead or not read, thus my reference to 1000 readers.
> The list has not grown since 2002. It's actually been falling slightly
> over the years.
>
> Keith
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: shuston (Shawn Huston)

Is there a charter? Maybe that is what people should look to in this
instant. Most charters was setup to allow guidelines for self moderation.
I always see the same people posting and usually I always see the same
people defending the NMC tag. Most people who disagree with it are
reprimanded by the normal people who post with no consideration to the other
1000 that don't post. My Sun Microsystems list stays on Sun topics. My
Unix list stays talking about Unix. If people should be allowed the NMC
then people should be allowed to complain about it. They should have a
right to voice their opinion without the barrage of, "If you don't like it,
leave it comments." You can say the same thing about the complaints. If
you don't like complaints about NMC comments, leave it. I don't care either
way: NMC, no NMC. I would prefer more toward the less NMC junk, but I am
in the normal silent majority who reads and will probably leave the list
sooner or later, and find a less cluttered list. I am on dialup. There is
nothing better where I live without paying a small fortune for internet.
Sometimes I consider the NMC post inconsiderate, sometimes I consider them
humorous, and other times enjoyable. I see no reason to berate someone
though because they feel NMC post are inappropriate, and they share their
dissatisfaction. I consider people who berate them the rudest of all.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


>
> >Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world did we
> >manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :)
>
> It's actually been 1200-1400 the entire time. I assume that a number of
> those accounts are dead or not read, thus my reference to 1000 readers.
The
> list has not grown since 2002. It's actually been falling slightly over
the
> years.
>
> Keith
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>

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Mail From: matthew.king (Matthew King)

Am I the only one that sees the irony in people getting into long threads
complaining about the overabundance of NMC topics?

If you don't like them, set up your email program to consider "NMC" as a
spam word and trash them immediately.

If it's blocking your dialup line, delete them off the server before
downloading (try www.mail2web.com)

m

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

The funny thing is that there are times that the people who complain the
most about the non-Miata content will jump in the middle of thread and ask
something about the thread. Seems they deleted a bunch of the thread
without reading it and then saw something that interested them and now are
wondering about it.

Watch, it happens!!


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew King" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


> Am I the only one that sees the irony in people getting into long threads
> complaining about the overabundance of NMC topics?
>
> If you don't like them, set up your email program to consider "NMC" as a
> spam word and trash them immediately.
>
> If it's blocking your dialup line, delete them off the server before
> downloading (try www.mail2web.com)
>
> m
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: miatajim (miatajim)

What did I miss??? :)

Jim
mazda-speed.com


-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On Behalf
Of Larry Alster
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:30 PM
To: Miata E-mail List; Matthew King
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)

The funny thing is that there are times that the people who complain the
most about the non-Miata content will jump in the middle of thread and ask
something about the thread. Seems they deleted a bunch of the thread
without reading it and then saw something that interested them and now are
wondering about it.

Watch, it happens!!


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew King" <(email redacted)>
To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


> Am I the only one that sees the irony in people getting into long threads
> complaining about the overabundance of NMC topics?
>
> If you don't like them, set up your email program to consider "NMC" as a
> spam word and trash them immediately.
>
> If it's blocking your dialup line, delete them off the server before
> downloading (try www.mail2web.com)
>
> m
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: Larry (Larry Alster)

See I told you so. :)


Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5

LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

----- Original Message -----
From: "miatajim" <(email redacted)>
To: "'Larry Alster'" <(email redacted)>; "'Miata E-mail List'"
<(email redacted)>; "'Matthew King'" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


> What did I miss??? :)
>
> Jim
> mazda-speed.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)] On
> Behalf
> Of Larry Alster
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:30 PM
> To: Miata E-mail List; Matthew King
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)
>
> The funny thing is that there are times that the people who complain the
> most about the non-Miata content will jump in the middle of thread and ask
> something about the thread. Seems they deleted a bunch of the thread
> without reading it and then saw something that interested them and now are
> wondering about it.
>
> Watch, it happens!!
>
>
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM FM I+ Turbo
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> Whooosh 2004 Titanium MazdaSpeed MX5
>
> LowCountry Miata lowcountrymiataclub.net
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew King" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)
>
>
>> Am I the only one that sees the irony in people getting into long threads
>> complaining about the overabundance of NMC topics?
>>
>> If you don't like them, set up your email program to consider "NMC" as a
>> spam word and trash them immediately.
>>
>> If it's blocking your dialup line, delete them off the server before
>> downloading (try www.mail2web.com)
>>
>> m
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miata mailing list
>> (email redacted)
>> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>
>

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Mail From: solja (Jason Soza)

Uh oh... Double-standard alert! :)

> If people should be allowed the NMC then people should be allowed to complain about it. They should
> have a right to voice their opinion without the barrage of, "If you don't like it, leave it comments."

If people should have a right to voice their opinions, shouldn't other people have a right to voice their disagreement with those opinions?

In any case, I think the observation was made earlier that there just isn't much techie stuff going on with the Miata to keep people on topic. I was on a couple of programming lists a few years ago and the volume of e-mails was much, much higher than this list. It made sense that off-topic posts were very, very frowned upon and the authors of such posts became the proud recipients of many "Don't do that again..." e-mails.

However, the volume on this list is fairly low. We'd only have like five e-mails a day if you took out all the NMC/LMC content!

Personally, I don't care if we're strictly Miata content or not, I just wish we'd stop arguing about it. Again. And again.

J Soza
| Miatas! www.miatapix.net
| Photos! www.sozaphotos.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Huston <(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)

> Is there a charter? Maybe that is what people should look to in this
> instant. Most charters was setup to allow guidelines for self
> moderation.I always see the same people posting and usually I
> always see the same
> people defending the NMC tag. Most people who disagree with it are
> reprimanded by the normal people who post with no consideration to
> the other
> 1000 that don't post. My Sun Microsystems list stays on Sun
> topics. My
> Unix list stays talking about Unix. If people should be allowed
> the NMC
> then people should be allowed to complain about it. They should
> have a
> right to voice their opinion without the barrage of, "If you
> don't like it,
> leave it comments." You can say the same thing about the
> complaints. If
> you don't like complaints about NMC comments, leave it. I don't
> care either
> way: NMC, no NMC. I would prefer more toward the less NMC junk,
> but I am
> in the normal silent majority who reads and will probably leave
> the list
> sooner or later, and find a less cluttered list. I am on dialup.
> There is
> nothing better where I live without paying a small fortune for
> internet.Sometimes I consider the NMC post inconsiderate,
> sometimes I consider them
> humorous, and other times enjoyable. I see no reason to berate
> someonethough because they feel NMC post are inappropriate, and
> they share their
> dissatisfaction. I consider people who berate them the rudest of all.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>
> To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)
>
>
> >
> > >Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world
> did we
> > >manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :)
> >
> > It's actually been 1200-1400 the entire time. I assume that a
> number of
> > those accounts are dead or not read, thus my reference to 1000
> readers.The
> > list has not grown since 2002. It's actually been falling
> slightly over
> the
> > years.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: romad ((email redacted))


>
>>Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world did we
>>manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :)
>
> It's actually been 1200-1400 the entire time. I assume that a number of
> those accounts are dead or not read, thus my reference to 1000 readers.
> The
> list has not grown since 2002. It's actually been falling slightly over
> the
> years.
>

Yep. I remember when I'd get over 100 messages each day (Sat & Sun
excepted). Just the other day I was wondering what Alan the Chrome King
was doing, the same with our English teacher, Wendy.

Sincerely,
Dennis B. Swaney
(via webmail)

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Mail From: miata (Jeff Gehrig)

Probably more a reflection on the lack of personality of their owners?



Jeff Gehrig
Down Under



-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto:(email redacted)]On
Behalf Of DON SCOTT
Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2005 7:28 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


I agree with the posting that the list has too much non-Miata trivia and
not enough Miata stuff.

Maybe Miatas don't break down enough (like British sports cars) to
generate more technical correspondence. I subscribed to a TR8 list before I
sold the car a few weeks ago and most of the postings were TR8-related.
Rarely did subscribers stray into the worlds of fine cuisine, prostate
issues, or pet care.

Don Scott
'91 Miata BRG, '62 MGA
'73 MGB, '92 Integra GS-R
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Mail From: miata-driver (bradley lawler)

Ya what ever happened to the top poster email we used to get. Remember when
we used to try to be Number one. Usually Keith or Larry. Those where the
days ;o)

Brad
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To: "Miata E-mail List" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


>
>>
>>>Wow! 1434 subscribers, up from 1000 in 2002! How in the world did we
>>>manage that with all of this "trivia" on the list? :)
>>
>> It's actually been 1200-1400 the entire time. I assume that a number of
>> those accounts are dead or not read, thus my reference to 1000 readers.
>> The
>> list has not grown since 2002. It's actually been falling slightly over
>> the
>> years.
>>
>
> Yep. I remember when I'd get over 100 messages each day (Sat & Sun
> excepted). Just the other day I was wondering what Alan the Chrome King
> was doing, the same with our English teacher, Wendy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dennis B. Swaney
> (via webmail)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: AbeFM (Abraham Mara)

It's too easy to post fluff. Look at this - I'm one post up just for this
drivel.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bradley lawler" <(email redacted)>
> Ya what ever happened to the top poster email we used to get. Remember
> when we used to try to be Number one. Usually Keith or Larry. Those
> where the days ;o)
>
> Brad

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Mail From: david.whooley (David Whooley)

On a lighter note...which is better, a supercharger or turbo? :o)

david

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Mail From: RESOMMER ((email redacted))


And which make and model of radar detector is best?

What color car goes faster?

What kind of oil should I use?

I've got too much to do to go on.

Rick and Genghis Kart

In a message dated 2/17/2005 9:08:13 A.M. Central Standard Time,
(email redacted) writes:

On a lighter note...which is better, a supercharger or turbo? :o)

david




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Mail From: rowdon (DON SCOTT)

Digby,

I agree with you! Too much non-Miata trivia on the list and not enough
Miata stuff.

Maybe Miatas don't break down enough (like British sports cars) to
generate more technical correspondence. I subscribed to a TR8 list
before I sold the car a few weeks ago and most of the postings were
TR8-related. Rarely did subscribers stray into the worlds of fine
cuisine, prostate issues, or pet care.

Don Scott
'91 Miata BRG, '62 MGA
'73 MGB, '92 Integra GS-R
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Mail From: jerry.houston (Jerry Houston)

A solution that's sometimes been tried in cases like this, is to create a
second list that's subject-specific and kept that way by constant policing.
Then folks who like the way the original list is run are free to stay on the
original list, and those who want the no-nonsense zero-tolerance approach
are free to abandon it for the new list.

In every case like that in my experience, the second list soon after died
from lack of participation. Folks who did have a subject-specific question
simply asked it in the original list, and the zero-tolerance list never had
enough folks signed up to make it worth subscribing to.

From: DON SCOTT
Subject: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)

I agree with you! Too much non-Miata trivia on the list and not enough
Miata stuff.

Maybe Miatas don't break down enough (like British sports cars) to generate
more technical correspondence. I subscribed to a TR8 list before I sold the
car a few weeks ago and most of the postings were TR8-related. Rarely did
subscribers stray into the worlds of fine cuisine, prostate issues, or pet
care.

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Mail From: miatak earthlink.net (K

I thought that is what the Forum is for! Or, the power list!

Kat Bryce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Houston" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)


>A solution that's sometimes been tried in cases like this, is to create a
>second list that's subject-specific and kept that way by constant policing.
>Then folks who like the way the original list is run are free to stay on
>the original list, and those who want the no-nonsense zero-tolerance
>approach are free to abandon it for the new list.
>
> In every case like that in my experience, the second list soon after died
> from lack of participation. Folks who did have a subject-specific
> question simply asked it in the original list, and the zero-tolerance list
> never had enough folks signed up to make it worth subscribing to.
>
> From: DON SCOTT
> Subject: [Miata] Banish Trivia (NMC)
>
> I agree with you! Too much non-Miata trivia on the list and not enough
> Miata stuff.
>
> Maybe Miatas don't break down enough (like British sports cars) to
> generate more technical correspondence. I subscribed to a TR8 list before
> I sold the car a few weeks ago and most of the postings were TR8-related.
> Rarely did subscribers stray into the worlds of fine cuisine, prostate
> issues, or pet care.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: jaimev (Jaime Villacorte)

Jerry said...
> >A solution that's sometimes been tried in cases like this, is to create a
> >second list that's subject-specific and kept that way by constant
> >policing.

Kat said...
> I thought that is what the Forum is for! Or, the power list!


It's interesting how miataforum.com has steadily grown to 25,000+
members over the years, while this list remains well under 2,000, with
daily traffic decreasing dramatically from when I first joined about
10 years ago.

When the miatapower discussion branched off to a seperate list, I
noticed discussion and participation here decline a bit.

The newsgroup rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata was also voted into
existence a little later, but that's also unmoderated, and many people
probably have no clue what Usenet is, so traffic there is also very
low. It didn't really have an impact on this list.

Like Jerry said, moderators are the key to keeping discussions
on-topic, and the miataforum site does a great job in that respect.
Discussion threads are often relocated to the correct area, and
non-car talk or inflammatory discussions are usually ended quickly
by moderators. I prefer info being "pushed" to me, via mail, and I
didn't really like going to a web site to "pull" my information. But
I've learned to put up with a web-based forum because of the
moderation and also the greater readership and information flow.

I really don't care one way or another whether banter shows up on this
list. I've been using a nice threaded mail reader, mutt, since the
beginning, and it's easily dealt with times when this list normally
had 200+ daily messages.

Unless this list is moderated, which will never happn, you can't
control what people talk about, no matter how much you wish it to be.

- jaime


Jaime Villacorte (email redacted) miata.villacorte.com
'94 Laguna Blue Irvine, CA mx5.blogspot.com

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Mail From: keith (Keith Tanner)


>It's interesting how miataforum.com has steadily grown to 25,000+
>members over the years, while this list remains well under 2,000, with
>daily traffic decreasing dramatically from when I first joined about
>10 years ago.

Keep in mind that Miataforum counts total lifetime registrations, not
active users. Our count is of the number of current subscribers and doesn't
acknowledge those who were once involved and then left. They're not
comparable numbers. Just FYI. That said, there's no question the miataforum
is more active.

The Miatapower list now gets about the same traffic as this one does. And
it goes off topic almost as often although it used to be much more focused.

Keith

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Mail From: AbeFM (Abraham Mara)

Would this be since I showed up on it? :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Tanner" <(email redacted)>
> The Miatapower list now gets about the same traffic as this one does. And
> it goes off topic almost as often although it used to be much more
> focused.
>

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Mail From: romad ((email redacted))


> On a lighter note...which is better, a supercharger or turbo? :o)
>
> david
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> (email redacted)
> ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

Can't answer that - the subject line has NMC in it No Miata Content

Sincerely,
Dennis B. Swaney
(via webmail)

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Mail From: flyboy (Berck E. Nash)

David Whooley wrote:
> On a lighter note...which is better, a supercharger or turbo? :o)

Which is better? Both at once!

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Mail From: equiraptor (Monica Harrison)

On 17-Feb-2005, (email redacted) wrote:
>
> > On a lighter note...which is better, a supercharger or turbo? :o)
> >
> > david
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > ftl.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
>
> Can't answer that - the subject line has NMC in it No Miata Content
>

So, in a Civic, which is better, a supercharger or a turbo?

There, taken out the Miata content... ;-)

Monica