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Mail From: mverive (Michael Verive)

Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
going to continue having significant snow for the next
couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
know that I *really* should be looking for winter
tires, but don't want to have to store a set of tires
all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do I
want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
combos.

Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
excessive tire noise.

So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of the
problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of course
that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
winter.

Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5 and
get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I can
live with and not break the bank. My family and I
still need to eat, you know!

Mike
2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT

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Mail From: roland.garcia67 (Roland Garcia)

Hi Michael,

As you stated that you know you should get winter
tires, I have to try to convince you it is the only
way to go. I lived in Chicago for 9 years and lived in
NY and CT. With that said I had a set of dedicated
snows on steel wheels and would always change to them
on thanksgiving day and switch them out come April.





--- Michael Verive <mverive at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
> going to continue having significant snow for the
> next
> couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
> know that I *really* should be looking for winter
> tires, but don't want to have to store a set of
> tires
> all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do
> I
> want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
> combos.
>
> Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
> don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
> as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
> when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
> excessive tire noise.
>
> So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
> OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
> the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
> My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of
> the
> problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of
> course
> that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
> shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
> winter.
>
> Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5
> and
> get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
> SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I
> can
> live with and not break the bank. My family and I
> still need to eat, you know!
>
> Mike
> 2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata at list.realbig.com
> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Mail From: rzander01 (Ron Zander)

I have to agree with Roland. Get a set of snow tires for the winter or
drive something else. The day you wreck your Miata because you cheaped
out on an extra set of cheap wheels and snow tires you will regret it.

On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Roland Garcia wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> As you stated that you know you should get winter
> tires, I have to try to convince you it is the only
> way to go. I lived in Chicago for 9 years and lived in
> NY and CT. With that said I had a set of dedicated
> snows on steel wheels and would always change to them
> on thanksgiving day and switch them out come April.
>
>

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Mail From: the.jack (the.jack)

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Michael Verive
Subject: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5

<SNIP> I know that I *really* should be looking for winter
Tires<SNIP>
-----Response-----

That's right ;)
Actually I'd said the same thing as you when I first picked mine
up. And the list said just what you are expecting. I didn't listen, and
bought a set of Falken Ziex 512s. They were okay, but I could break the
rear end out going in to 3rd gear under hard acceleration! So they
weren't all that okay. I'd consider giving the replacement model, the
912s, a shot if I went all-season again (not looking to do that,
though).
On prior vehicles I've had good luck with the Dunlop SP Sport
5000 and Sumitomo HTR+. I can also comment that the SP 5000s were
surprisingly very good on ice, which doesn't make sense since they
aren't super-sipy like a good winter tire, but nonetheless I drove
several occassions on pretty slick ice and didn't realize I was on ice
until I go out of the car and could barely walk!
However, you'll absolutely lose the bite of a summer tire when
the weather warms up. And you'll still not have the handling or stopping
of a winter tire in the winter, more so when it gets really cold and
those all-seasons harden up.
You'll hear it ad naseum on this list, but all-seasons are by
nature a compromise of duties, therefore they do nothing exceptionally
well (or if they do then they probably really suck at something else).
You don't want to hear it (and I understand your position!), but
if you could get a set of steel wheels with skinnier winter tires you
wouldn't have to worry about remounting tires using your stock alloys
and both sets would last reasonably long times (it'll also force you to
rotate eat set at least once a year). If you have access to a basement
storage or something along those lines you'd only need to think about
the dormant set twice a year.

the.jack / Chris C.
99 Miata 5-sp Heliums w/ R-S2s

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Mail From: d.egan3 (David Egan)

Just to build on the prevailing advice, this list turned me on to
Harbor Freight (harborfreight.com), which carries a
frequently-on-sale floor jack for about $125. The floor jack and an
easily-obtained cross-type lug wrench make changing wheels and tires a
snap. You'll also want a torque wrench for putting those lug nuts back
on. Total investment is about $250, which can easily come back to you
just on the use of the jack alone.

As for lugging and storing, all of my work is done outside, so I
schlepp the thirty-pound jack and everything else outside each time.
Not my favorite job, but well worth it in time and money saved and car
bonding experiences.

Here's what I use to carry my Miata tools back and forth. I love it.
duluthtrading.com/store/department/organizers_bags/
organizers_bags2/briefcases_bags_sale/37006.aspx?feature=Product_1

I use the next larger size, The Big House, for my household tools.
These bags are wonderful for people like me who don't want to rummage
through a tool tray every darn time you want a screwdriver. Everything
in it's place...

David Egan
Maryland
'91 B-Package. Classic Red.

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Mail From: glpp2 (glpp2)

Michael,

I live in NW IL, and my '97 is my daily driver. 75 miles round trip to work
and back on two lane roads.

Winter is time for inexpensive Winterforce 175/65/14's on salvage yard OEM
steel wheels. Wash the salt off as often as the weather gets into the mid
20's. No pitting of alloy wheels. If the steel wheels rust, just sand,
prime, and touch up. Winterforce tires get me through anything that I don't
have to plow with the nose of the car (although, I have come home more than
once needing to dig out the grill). Great on snow, and in rain. Ok on ice.
Noisy (relatively) on dry. Total investment of tires and wheels is around
maybe $600? Depends on the condition of the wheels, and whether you have
them painted or not.

The only day this Winter I have not driven the car is today. The wind blown
drifts on the roads out here today are up to the top of the fenders on my
wife's Forester, which would bury my 97. If and when a plow came through
the blizzards, it would probably think the bump from hitting my 97 was just
another mail box. ;-)

Glenn



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Verive" <mverive at yahoo.com>
To: <miata at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5


> Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
> going to continue having significant snow for the next
> couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
> know that I *really* should be looking for winter
> tires, but don't want to have to store a set of tires
> all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do I
> want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
> combos.
>
> Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
> don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
> as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
> when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
> excessive tire noise.
>
> So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
> OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
> the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
> My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of the
> problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of course
> that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
> shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
> winter.
>
> Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5 and
> get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
> SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I can
> live with and not break the bank. My family and I
> still need to eat, you know!
>
> Mike
> 2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata at list.realbig.com
> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: glpp2 (glpp2)


Oh, you'd obviously have to resize snows with wheels to match the
circumference of your current tire/wheels. You want a tire patch that is
long and narrow to help bite through the slush and snow, not the short and
wide patch of performance tires. Most likely means going to a smaller wheel
and a tire with a 60 or 65 aspect ratio. Others are much more expert in
this than I.
Glenn


----- Original Message -----
From: "glpp2" <glpp2 at aeroinc.net>
To: "Michael Verive" <mverive at yahoo.com>
Cc: <miata at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5


> Michael,
>
> I live in NW IL, and my '97 is my daily driver. 75 miles round trip to
> work
> and back on two lane roads.
>
> Winter is time for inexpensive Winterforce 175/65/14's on salvage yard OEM
> steel wheels. Wash the salt off as often as the weather gets into the mid
> 20's. No pitting of alloy wheels. If the steel wheels rust, just sand,
> prime, and touch up. Winterforce tires get me through anything that I
> don't
> have to plow with the nose of the car (although, I have come home more
> than
> once needing to dig out the grill). Great on snow, and in rain. Ok on
> ice.
> Noisy (relatively) on dry. Total investment of tires and wheels is around
> maybe $600? Depends on the condition of the wheels, and whether you have
> them painted or not.
>
> The only day this Winter I have not driven the car is today. The wind
> blown
> drifts on the roads out here today are up to the top of the fenders on my
> wife's Forester, which would bury my 97. If and when a plow came through
> the blizzards, it would probably think the bump from hitting my 97 was
> just
> another mail box. ;-)
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Verive" <mverive at yahoo.com>
> To: <miata at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:50 PM
> Subject: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5
>
>
>> Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
>> going to continue having significant snow for the next
>> couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
>> know that I *really* should be looking for winter
>> tires, but don't want to have to store a set of tires
>> all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do I
>> want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
>> combos.
>>
>> Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
>> don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
>> as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
>> when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
>> excessive tire noise.
>>
>> So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
>> OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
>> the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
>> My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of the
>> problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of course
>> that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
>> shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
>> winter.
>>
>> Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5 and
>> get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
>> SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I can
>> live with and not break the bank. My family and I
>> still need to eat, you know!
>>
>> Mike
>> 2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miata mailing list
>> Miata at list.realbig.com
>> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata at list.realbig.com
> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: jonesmb (Jones)

Glenn, I sent Michael a message off the list with almost the same
things that you had below. Around here snow tires is the best way
to go on the Miata. I have snow tires on steel wheels on both the
Miata and OTM. I stayed home most of today and except for a short
trip to get some drugs. No, not what you are thinking, the drugs
were from Walgreens and not the dealer on the corner. I only buy
from him on weekends!
At the drug store I saw an NC with what looked like 17" or 18"
all season tires. One reason to not get snow tires on the NC is
that it may have some sort of electronic control traction aid
that may make it OK with all season tires. My Miata is an NA
so the only traction control aid I have is judicious use of
the right foot.

jmb

glpp2 wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I live in NW IL, and my '97 is my daily driver. 75 miles round trip to work
> and back on two lane roads.
>
> Winter is time for inexpensive Winterforce 175/65/14's on salvage yard OEM
> steel wheels. Wash the salt off as often as the weather gets into the mid
> 20's. No pitting of alloy wheels. If the steel wheels rust, just sand,
> prime, and touch up. Winterforce tires get me through anything that I don't
> have to plow with the nose of the car (although, I have come home more than
> once needing to dig out the grill). Great on snow, and in rain. Ok on ice.
> Noisy (relatively) on dry. Total investment of tires and wheels is around
> maybe $600? Depends on the condition of the wheels, and whether you have
> them painted or not.
>
> The only day this Winter I have not driven the car is today. The wind blown
> drifts on the roads out here today are up to the top of the fenders on my
> wife's Forester, which would bury my 97. If and when a plow came through
> the blizzards, it would probably think the bump from hitting my 97 was just
> another mail box. ;-)
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Verive" <mverive at yahoo.com>
> To: <miata at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:50 PM
> Subject: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5
>
>
>> Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
>> going to continue having significant snow for the next
>> couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
>> know that I *really* should be looking for winter
>> tires, but don't want to have to store a set of tires
>> all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do I
>> want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
>> combos.
>>
>> Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
>> don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
>> as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
>> when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
>> excessive tire noise.
>>
>> So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
>> OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
>> the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
>> My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of the
>> problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of course
>> that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
>> shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
>> winter.
>>
>> Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5 and
>> get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
>> SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I can
>> live with and not break the bank. My family and I
>> still need to eat, you know!
>>
>> Mike
>> 2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miata mailing list
>> Miata at list.realbig.com
>> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata at list.realbig.com
> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Mail From: John (John Hammer)

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Mail From: the.jack (the.jack)

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of John Hammer
Subject: Re: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5

2 words...

Winter Beater.<SNIP>
-----Response-----

Yeah, I can second John's point - I have my Miata and a 97 Jeep
Cherokee with 4X4, but I STILL put snow tires on the Cherokee (I have
knobby MTs for the other three seasons that I love, but that's another
discussion...)
However, I don't think it's quite as financially simple to find
a RELIABLE but extremely cheap winter beater. My Jeep is a good example
of a not-really-beater because I light-duty off-road it occassionally
and it's also a performance investment like the Miata - plus I drive it
regularly all year round. I'm building it up, not using it as
"disposable" or at least expendable. I'm not sure where I'd start if I
were looking for a true "beater". That's the tough part...
But if you keep up your Miata (i.e. wash it frequently) and get
snows I think that'll do ya. The Miata is a lot of fun in the snow, it
feels like you're in a rally race or something :) But, like John, I
wanted to take mine away from the salt. It's eating it up already :(

the.jack / Chris C.
99 Miata 5-sp Heliums w/ R-S2s

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Mail From: the.jack (the.jack)

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of glpp2
Subject: Re: [Miata] All season tires for 2007 MX-5

<SNIP>You want a tire patch that is long and narrow to help bite through
the
slush and snow, not the short and wide patch of performance tires.<SNIP>

-----Response-----

Make no qualifications, Glenn, that's good advice ;)

the.jack / Chris C.
99 Miata 5-sp Heliums w/ R-S2s

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Mail From: dillon.boyer (Dillon)

I understand where you're coming from, since I live in a small apartment
with limited storage space. However, I went ahead and bought dedicated
winter tires because:


- I should be rotating the tires anyway, so it's not really much more
work
- Steel rims are cheap (I got my 14" rims used, for free)
- A set of mounted tires on rims could be stored in a closet, covered
in a hefty bag. Surely you can find the space somewhere.


I decided that it was worth it, and I'm very glad I made that call. Not
only do I get the safest tires available in the winter time, but I can run
3-season tires in the summer. Best of both worlds.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Michael Verive <mverive at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
> going to continue having significant snow for the next
> couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
> know that I *really* should be looking for winter
> tires, but don't want to have to store a set of tires
> all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do I
> want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
> combos.
>
> Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
> don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
> as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
> when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
> excessive tire noise.
>
> So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
> OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
> the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
> My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of the
> problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of course
> that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
> shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
> winter.
>
> Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5 and
> get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
> SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I can
> live with and not break the bank. My family and I
> still need to eat, you know!
>
> Mike
> 2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata at list.realbig.com
> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>



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>Take the money you "should" spend on a set of snows/wheels and buy another
>car.

it will be tough to find a decent beater that will cost you $600 that
you can use over a period of 3-4 winters. if the intent is to keep
costs down, then snow tires are cheaper. if you also want to keep salt
off the Miata, then a beater will make sense.

jmb

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Mail From: dean (Dean Woodward)

David Egan wrote:
> As for lugging and storing, all of my work is done outside, so I
> schlepp the thirty-pound jack and everything else outside each time.
> Not my favorite job, but well worth it in time and money saved and car
> bonding experiences.

I took my summers off a few months ago, and just today got them out of
the garage and into the shed, so I can lug them back out in another
month or so and put them back on the car.

It just occurred to me that some sort of cheapish handtruck would be the
perfect thing for moving and storing the tires not on the car, because
no matter where I stack 'em, they're in the way of something...

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Mail From: dillon.boyer (Dillon)

Home Depot sells some very cheap hand trucks ...

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Dean Woodward <dean at looseonthe.net> wrote:

> It just occurred to me that some sort of cheapish handtruck would be the
> perfect thing for moving and storing the tires not on the car, because
> no matter where I stack 'em, they're in the way of something...
>

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Mail From: psmalley (Paul Smalley)

"change to them on thanksgiving day and switch them out come April"?

April?? I'm in CT now, and hope I don't have to wait THAT long!

-Paul

On Feb 6, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Roland Garcia wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> As you stated that you know you should get winter
> tires, I have to try to convince you it is the only
> way to go. I lived in Chicago for 9 years and lived in
> NY and CT. With that said I had a set of dedicated
> snows on steel wheels and would always change to them
> on thanksgiving day and switch them out come April.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Michael Verive <mverive at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Since it appears that here in the Chicago area we're
>> going to continue having significant snow for the
>> next
>> couple weeks or so, I'm looking to get new tires. I
>> know that I *really* should be looking for winter
>> tires, but don't want to have to store a set of
>> tires
>> all year, swapping them back and forth, etc. Nor do
>> I
>> want to swap back and forth between tire and wheel
>> combos.
>>
>> Chicago gets snow, rain, sun, not a lot of ice. I
>> don't auto-x, but like "spirited" driving, and spend
>> as much time topless (the car, not me) as possible
>> when it gets warm enough, so I'd like to avoid
>> excessive tire noise.
>>
>> So, any good suggestions for all-season tires? The
>> OEM tires are great summer tires, but basically turn
>> the car into a floating chunk of metal in the snow.
>> My current tires are 205/45-17's, which is part of
>> the
>> problem. I *could* go with 205/50-16's, but of
>> course
>> that means new wheels as well, and I don't want to
>> shell out $1000 or more just to get through the
>> winter.
>>
>> Yes, I know that I could also just garage the MX-5
>> and
>> get a different car for the winter, but I'm a cheap
>> SOB, and want to get a reasonable solution that I
>> can
>> live with and not break the bank. My family and I
>> still need to eat, you know!
>>
>> Mike
>> 2007 Stormy Blue Mica PRHT
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miata mailing list
>> Miata at list.realbig.com
>> list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>
>
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Paul N. Smalley, ASA, MAAA
psmalley at mac.com
847-733-7858
806-734-7858 (FAX)
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Previously on All season tires, Paul Smalley <psmalley at mac.com> said...

"change to them on thanksgiving day and switch them out come April"?
> April?? I'm in CT now, and hope I don't have to wait THAT long!
>


You don't *have* to wait that long, but if you don't want to get stuck by a
late-season snowfall you probably should. Most years the show's over by
April, but I remember heavy snow on Easter in the Philly suburbs as a kid.

Considering that *any* amount of frozen precipitation is enough to stop a
Miata on regular tires, you're rolling the dice taking off the snows before
April.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :P

-John
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John Freas wrote:
> You don't _have_ to wait that long, but if you don't want to get stuck
> by a late-season snowfall you probably should. Most years the show's
> over by April, but I remember heavy snow on Easter in the Philly suburbs
> as a kid.
>
> Considering that /_*any*_/ amount of frozen precipitation is enough to
> stop a Miata on regular tires, you're rolling the dice taking off the
> snows before April.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :P
>
> -John
It snowed May 5th, 2002 when I graduated college in Troy, NY. I
remember this because it was an outdoor graduation! I skipped out and it
was a miserable day from those that did go. Can't trust northern
weather! Not that I'm suggesting waiting through May.

--
the.jack / Chris C.
'99 5-sp, Torsen, 'Kook R-S2 on Helium, RoadsterSport cat, mid, rear